Is This A Reversion to the D'Antoni System?

[JCSunsfan]

Cmon JCsunsfan were you here even? The mods actually had to make a number of these guys put most of their posts in the "fire DA thread" because they were jacking threads all over the place with DUmtoni rants.

To be fair, I was out of the country for three weeks at the end of April and beginning of May last year when things were going down. But I was on the board throughout the season last year and over the summer. Prior to the San Antonio series last year there were very few people calling for his head.

I just went back and looked at the threads around that time. There were a quite few that were really frustrated. It seems amazing though that a few posters who post alot and repeat the same thing over and over again seem like more of a presence than they are.

Point. Saying that everyone but this guy wanted him gone is wrong.

Saying there were only one or two is wrong too.

Maybe it was three

 

[Skumbag]

D'Antoni homers are quickly establishing themselves as former SUNS fans.
Had the KNICKS won that game last night,my statement would have become as clear as day......instead of the foggy anti-SUNS B.S. being thrown around here disguised as pro D'Antoni.
Nice.
If i could afford it i'd buy ya'll KNICK jerseys complete with fake moustache's and as a bonus i'd throw in a Shaq voodoo doll.
The right to be bitter over DA's departure is yours to bear.
GO SUNS

I'll PM you my shipping address. I was in need of a decent xmas present.
This even fixes halloween for me next year.

Thank you, sir!

 

[Skkorpion]

seems like they are finding a great balance between running some of the time and tossing it inside to shaq or amare some of the time....

Yes. I agree and also strongly agree with steeldog's expansion on your thought. And I loved having D'Antoni here. and hated his leaving.

The truth is, D' is gone. We've moved on and I'm pleased to see our new coach adjusting. We have upside. The big criticism of D' was that he wouldn't adjust anything. The new guy is tinkering. I'm open to being convinced.

 

[Cheesebeef]

D'Antoni homers are quickly establishing themselves as former SUNS fans.
Had the KNICKS won that game last night,my statement would have become as clear as day......instead of the foggy anti-SUNS B.S. being thrown around here disguised as pro D'Antoni.
Nice.
If i could afford it i'd buy ya'll KNICK jerseys complete with fake moustache's and as a bonus i'd throw in a Shaq voodoo doll.
The right to be bitter over DA's departure is yours to bear.
GO SUNS

this post is just as obnoxious (and actually much more so) than any of the people who are bitter about DA leaving. good lord. calling out others fandom stinks and is really uncalled for.

 

[Cheesebeef]

can I ask a question all the people who think DA is such a great coach and him getting pushed out was such a bad move?

If this team, without DA, can duplicate his offensive "system" without him, just how great of a coach was/is he and doesn't it make sense that if we can run his system without him, that we would at least TRY to get a coach in here who will actually try to coach defense as well?

 

[msdundee]

Most of the "anti-Suns B.S. bring thrown around here" has nothing at all to do with D'Antoni. The true anti-Sun B.S.ers are those who love to zero in on any one player to use as the whipping boy du jour--a target for hate posts, most of them irrational and vicious. This is not presented as any form of constructive criticism, there is always room for that. This is solely to exaggerate and harp on the negatives, discount anything positive, and just about every Sun past and present has been under attack regardless of his history. Haven't ever seen a board quite like this one before and I really don't understand it--so much venom spewed under the guise of team loyalty. It's like watching a school of piranhas, fascinating and sickening at the same time.

 

[mojorizen7]

Cmon JCsunsfan were you here even? The mods actually had to make a number of these guys put most of their posts in the "fire DA thread" because they were jacking threads all over the place with DUmtoni rants.

Yeah because at the time D'Antoni was still the HC and for this board to be littered with SUNS fans ripping into DA every other post was taken as a direct insult to SUNS nation i guess.....Fair enough. Maybe the mods should sticky a fire Porter thread tomorrow....hilarious.
Whats the difference? If you want to criticisize Porter i have no problem with that but for people to consistantly compare him(after 2 months) to DA(who had 4 + yrs to either suceed or fail) & continue to blindly shine DA's shoes at every turn is pathetic.
D'Umbtoni had his chance here.
Become a KNICK fan or move on with the rest of SUNS nation. Sheesh.

 

[jagu]

D'Antoni's system is running down the court and doing whatever you want. You could do backflips all the way down the court and it would be perfectly okay.

 

[mojorizen7]

this post is just as obnoxious (and actually much more so) than any of the people who are bitter about DA leaving. good lord. calling out others fandom stinks and is really uncalled for.

Its called being "over the top" to get my point across cheese.
Calling fans' fandom out by name is one thing,generalizing to those who know who they are is another ......and if i offended you or anybody else personally i apologize. I like to use obnoxious humor often.....it's my thing.
It is simply how i see it.

 

[SirStefan32]

I just don't get this deification of D'Antoni. Sure, the guy was a great offensive strategist who managed to play small-ball run-and-gun better than anyone who previously tried it, but at the same time he was a stubborn jackass who was unwilling and unable to make any adjustments whatsoever, couldn't take any criticism, and chocked in games that really mattered.

Current system has nothing to do with D'Antoni. Offense is still running through Shaq in the low post, guys are now cutting to the basket and running when opportunity presents yourself. Having multiple sets and options makes one a smart coach. Running like hell and chucking up 3 point shots no matter what makes one a stubborn, predictable jackass.

Some people on this board, and their love for D'Antoni make Andrew and his love for Shaq seem negligible.

 

[Mainstreet]

D'Antoni's system is running down the court and doing whatever you want. You could do backflips all the way down the court and it would be perfectly okay.

Then you never understood it. You might want to read about Paul Westhead's offensive style when he coached the Nuggets.

 

[Covert Rain]

You act as if DA never used Boris or shaq in the low post. And yes Jrich posted, but he also launched 7 threes! Uh you must have been sleeping. Nash is handling the ball ALOT, the TO's are down and the suns are running. Amare is also operating from the elbow again(a porter conversion to DA?). As far as half court sets, the pick and roll has been here awhile, puppy.

Oh boy knownothinggimp. I never said never. I said, D'Antoni didn't use alot of half court sets. Are you going to sit here an honestly say that D'Antoni ran anywhere close to the halfcourt sets that this years team does? Really?? Porter said balance...I have seen balance. I guess the coach and everyone else that sees it is wrong.

I swear...sometimes I am convinced that you read recaps and highlights and don't actually watch this team.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Its called being "over the top" to get my point across cheese.
Calling fans' fandom out by name is one thing,generalizing to those who know who they are is another ......and if i offended you or anybody else personally i apologize. I like to use obnoxious humor often.....it's my thing.
It is simply how i see it.

obnoxious humor is fine. I just don't see what's funny about calling people's fandom into question... and this is coming from a guy who was all too happy to see Pringle's whiney ass hit the curb.

 

[Chaz]

Most teams have elements of D'Antoni's offense these days. I remember the Suns running 'elbow' at the beginning of the season.

It is technically only a D'Antoni system if D'Antoni is directing it.

The Nash system works pretty well too.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

It's not like Dantoni was orchestrating a play by play symphony. His gametime actions consist of "lets go lets go lets go!" and getting redfaced with anger and yelling at a ref.

Nash was the floor general and didn't need to be coached once he got the gist of the "system"

 

[DeAnna]

I just don't get this deification of D'Antoni.

Maybe because all the players loved playing for him? The only reasons Grant Hill, Shaq, et al, came here was because of D'Antoni. He treated them like men, not children, and did not micro-manage them.

He used positive-reinforcement, not criticism, to give them confidence. That translated onto the court.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Maybe because all the players loved playing for him?

then why were guys openly questioning him DURING the playoffs last year? And Amare certainly didn't love playing for him.

The only reasons Grant Hill, Shaq, et al, came here was because of D'Antoni.

wow. One of the reasons Hill came here because of DA, but he also came here because he thought we had a chance a title. Once it was apparent that we didn't, DA being here didn't make much of a difference signing Damon Stoudemire, Brent Barry or PJ Brown now did it? People came to Phoenix for a lot of reasons - to play with Nash, to play for DA and to have a chance to win a title. DA wasn't solely responsible for any of that. And Shaq was traded here. He didn't have a choice and it had nothing to do with DA.

He treated them like men, not children, and did not micro-manage them.

He used positive-reinforcement, not criticism, to give them confidence. That translated onto the court.

that translated to one playoff series win in his last two years. That's not very good.

 

[nowagimp]

then why were guys openly questioning him DURING the playoffs last year? And Amare certainly didn't love playing for him.



wow. One of the reasons Hill came here because of DA, but he also came here because he thought we had a chance a title. Once it was apparent that we didn't, DA being here didn't make much of a difference signing Damon Stoudemire, Brent Barry or PJ Brown now did it? People came to Phoenix for a lot of reasons - to play with Nash, to play for DA and to have a chance to win a title. DA wasn't solely responsible for any of that. And Shaq was traded here. He didn't have a choice and it had nothing to do with DA.



that translated to one playoff series win in his last two years. That's not very good.

Yep amare didnt like it when the spurs decided to take the ball out of his hands and DA gave it to diaw. Nash didnt like it when shaq became the part time playmaker and the team performance sagged when spacing collapsed. POPs had a strategy to stop the pick and roll in the second half, and the counter with posting diaw worked, but some of the players didnt like it. POPs head games worked on amare pretty well as he looked listless, going through the motions at times when he was not in the offense. That still happened this year with porter until fans(?) ripped him for his efforts.

Hill stated that he came here for the easy practice schedule and a chance to win. Hill also realizes that the running game is probably easier on his physique and affords him an advantage as an excellent finisher ont he break.

PJ Brown went to the celtics, and the others stayed with the spurs. Good choices for different reasons. PJ fit better with a slow team at 39 years old. Barry admittedly didnt want to move his family, and continued that this year by signing with the rockets. Damon stoudemire was cooked, done, didnt do squat.

Player polls in the NBA put DA as 2nd to PJ as the coach most players wanted to play for. POPs was well down the list, as was saunders. The data are more complete than the FA data thats for sure. But you know as a FA its not just the coach, its the GM and the owner as well. DA is gone and the suns basically signed Matt Barnes, a guy desperate for a chance to prove himself. The FA signing are still few and far between, and the backup PG position is empty. Lets see a good signing there.

 

[elindholm]

Player polls int he NBA put DA 2nd to PJ as the coach most players wanted to play for.

1. Players aren't allowed to vote for their own coaches in those polls.

2. All the result shows is that 20-something percent (I remember the poll, but not the number) of NBA players are more concerned with having fun than with winning in the postseason. Which should come as no surprise.

 

[nowagimp]

1. Players aren't allowed to vote for their own coaches in those polls.

2. All the result shows is that 20-something percent (I remember the poll, but not the number) of NBA players are more concerned with having fun than with winning in the postseason. Which should come as no surprise.

Players should not be allowed to vote for their own coach, with 30 teams that shouldnt be a significant bias.

As far as player motivations, seem to recall interivews with all kinds of players like lebron and KG that said they wanted to play in the SSOL system. But of course we can now question their motives as well.

here you go:

http://www.pistonsforum.com/nba-stuff/8058-nba-players-vote-coach-they-would-most-like-play.html

DA and PJ at 21% each, the pops at 15 then a big dropoff. Pretty convincing with all that dropoff. I'll bet if the poll was retaken, porter would be in the noise.

 

[Skumbag]

I don't really care who's coach as long as they do what porter is doing now; not coaching and letting Nash run it DA's way. =)

 

[Covert Rain]

Yep amare didnt like it when the spurs decided to take the ball out of his hands and DA gave it to diaw. Nash didnt like it when shaq became the part time playmaker and the team performance sagged when spacing collapsed. POPs had a strategy to stop the pick and roll in the second half, and the counter with posting diaw worked, but some of the players didnt like it. POPs head games worked on amare pretty well as he looked listless, going through the motions at times when he was not in the offense. That still happened this year with porter until fans(?) ripped him for his efforts.

Hill stated that he came here for the easy practice schedule and a chance to win. Hill also realizes that the running game is probably easier on his physique and affords him an advantage as an excellent finisher ont he break.

PJ Brown went to the celtics, and the others stayed with the spurs. Good choices for different reasons. PJ fit better with a slow team at 39 years old. Barry admittedly didnt want to move his family, and continued that this year by signing with the rockets. Damon stoudemire was cooked, done, didnt do squat.

Player polls in the NBA put DA as 2nd to PJ as the coach most players wanted to play for. POPs was well down the list, as was saunders. The data are more complete than the FA data thats for sure. But you know as a FA its not just the coach, its the GM and the owner as well. DA is gone and the suns basically signed Matt Barnes, a guy desperate for a chance to prove himself. The FA signing are still few and far between, and the backup PG position is empty. Lets see a good signing there.

I think playing along certain players is more important then playing for a coach. Honestly, everybody knows this league is a revolving door for coaches sans the Utah Jazz. These players care more about who they are playing besides IMO. That poll is just that a poll. It didn't ask if playing besides Nash was a bigger factor in their decisions.

 

[nowagimp]

That poll is just that a poll. It didn't ask if playing besides Nash was a bigger factor in their decisions.

If the players th ink its nash and not the system this would be correct. Now they can see its also due to the the system with the knicks a near D league team scaring the crap out of contenders. And chris Duhon suddenly looking like a pretty good PG after years of nothing.

 

[elindholm]

DA and PJ at 21% each, the pops at 15 then a big dropoff. Pretty convincing with all that dropoff.

Convincing of what? You have the two most successful coaches in terms of recent titles and the one who's the most fun. I wouldn't expect anything different, except for a possible minor juggling of the order.

I'll bet if the poll was retaken, porter would be in the noise.

I'm sure he would be. I hope you don't think I'm in the group that believes the Suns are more likely to win a title under Porter.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm sure he would be. I hope you don't think I'm in the group that believes the Suns are more likely to win a title under Porter.

it is really frustrating to me that to some apparently there are no other options between DA v Porter (as if everyone who wanted DA gone were thrilled with Porter).