Is this really fair though? (Rooney rule)

[BigRedRage]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/18/nfl-panel-recommends-coaching-candidates/#comments

The NFL has assembled a panel of former coaches and general managers who will recommend head-coaching candidates to teams with a vacancy, and that panel will put a special emphasis on encouraging teams to hire minorities.

I thought minority coaches had become pretty prevelant in the nfl at this point.

With the list they provided, I feel those coaches will get looks anyway.

But is it really fair to have a panel that is designed specifically to push for these guys to get jobs over a white guy?

It seems the white guy is under fire to me and that reeks as bad as the black man being under fire IMO.

 

[crisper57]

They also provided a list of White Coaches. My question is if this is really necessary. What if a team wants to interview someone who is not on the list? What is the point of this group, then?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

'Murica!

How about the best coach for the job gets the job ?

I know that is just crazy talk and makes me a bad person, but that is what I think should happen.

 

[Russ Smith]

That rule is a classic good idea bad implementation. Remember when the Lions fired their coach because they knew they wanted to hire someone who wanted the job, think it was Mariucci(?). The NFL then stepped in and said you have to consider minorities or you're violating the rule. The ONLY reason they had a coaching vacancy was their guy was available and wanted the job, otherwise they wouldn't have fired the coach.

So them not interviewing anybody else in no way limited the chances of a minority to get that job, there was no job to get until they fired the coach to hire the other coach.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

This to me equates to the Supreme Court saying that parts of the Equal Rights Act are no longer needed because 'we have come so far against racism.'

 

[crisper57]

Non-minority NFL assistant coaches identified by the panel as good head-coaching candidates include Seattle offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, New Orleans offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael, Cincinnati offensive coordinator Jay Gruden, Miami defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle, Buffalo defensive coordinator Mike Pettine, Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn, Kansas City defensive coordinator Bob Sutton and Washington tight ends coach Sean McVay.

Notice that Whisenhunt's name is not on this list?

 

[Shane]

"special emphasis" to hire minorities.

WOW! The world we live in. SMDH!

 

[Shane]

'Murica!

How about the best coach for the job gets the job ?

I know that is just crazy talk and makes me a bad person, but that is what I think should happen.

Yessir!

 

[Russ Smith]

Notice that Whisenhunt's name is not on this list?

He's already been a head coach none of them have?

 

[Shane]

He's already been a head coach none of them have?

Yep

 

[crisper57]

He's already been a head coach none of them have?

The minority list has a couple of former HC's.

King reports that former Bears coach Lovie Smith, Ravens offensive coordinator Jim Caldwell, Bears defensive coordinator Mel Tucker, Browns defensive coordinator Ray Horton, Cardinals defensive coordinator Todd Bowles, Louisville head coach Charlie Strong, Vanderbilt head coach James Franklin, Bengals assistant Hue Jackson, Packers assistant Winston Moss, Packers assistant Darren Perry, Broncos assistant Eric Studesville and Texans assistant Karl Dorrell are minorities who have been identified as strong candidates. Under the NFL’s Rooney Rule, every team must interview at least one minority candidate before hiring a new head coach.

 

[Shane]

The minority list has a couple of former HC's.

They are minorities. they get "special emphasis"

If they want a retread that panel wants them with dark skin.

 

[crisper57]

They are minorities. they get "special emphasis"

Makes total sense to me now.

 

[Shane]

Makes total sense to me now.

If they want a retread that panel wants them with dark skin. They don't want the cracker that already got his shot.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Ken Whisenhunt = next HC of the Detroit Lions.

 

[BillsCarnage]

The Rooney rule, the Pontiac Aztek of NFL rules..
Good idea on paper, horrible execution.

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[blindseyed]

'Murica!

How about the best coach for the job gets the job ?

I know that is just crazy talk and makes me a bad person, but that is what I think should happen.

Now that's just crazy talk. Just because you own a team and make decisions based on your ability to make that team the best and make money while doing it doesn't give you the right to make those decisions without input and suggestions from others who have no idea how you were able to successfully run your business and get paid to be politically correct. After all these experts have built many many successful teams and businesses throughout the world

I almost got thru typing that without laughing

 

[seesred]

Will we ever not have to worry about fairness in our hiring practices, when it comes to how you look rather than who we are? IMO not in the near future. As long is there are many so called Americans still see a coach as white, black or yellow or any other color.

We still have a stigma in this country with people that do see a difference. I hope and pray that I don't see a difference, but be honest how many people do you know or work with or a family member who still hate by color.

IMO we need that panel until this is changed, especial where the confederate flags fly and our President is hated by so many people because of color. It wasn't that long ago that Jackie Robinson broke down a high fence to prove that we all are flesh and blood and die when it's our turn and pray in our own way.

I hate this subject but it remains a truth in our country.My ex son in law was and is the biggest biggot I have ever met.


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[Southpaw]

The Rooney rule, the Pontiac Aztek of NFL rules..
Good idea on paper, horrible execution.

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It was good enough for Walter White.

 

[devilalum]

You do all know that this rule was created to address the fact that most of the players were minorities and all the coaches and front office people were white. Apartheid?

 

[devilalum]

It was good enough for Walter White.

Until that stupid body fell out of the sky.

 

[crisper57]

You do all know that this rule was created to address the fact that most of the players were minorities and all the coaches and front office people were white. Apartheid?

So you have predominantly white men making a few million a year coaching predominantly minorities also making millions a year, and in many cases more than the coach. Not exactly the same thing.

With younger generations, race is less a issue, so this may not be necessary much longer. I hire the best people for the job and the diversity thing kinda takes care of itself over time. I've been complimented numerous times on my diverse staff and I know I was not setting out to recreate the UN. It actually bothers me that someone would think that that would be my primary reason for hiring someone.

 

[devilalum]

So you have predominantly white men making a few million a year coaching predominantly minorities also making millions a year, and in many cases more than the coach. Not exactly the same thing.

With younger generations, race is less a issue, so this may not be necessary much longer. I hire the best people for the job and the diversity thing kinda takes care of itself over time. I've been complimented numerous times on my diverse staff and I know I was not setting out to recreate the UN. It actually bothers me that someone would think that that would be my primary reason for hiring someone.

This is kind of a fallacy. If you look at the average length of an NFL player career and that fact that only a small percentage walk away with "millions" this argument doesn't hold water. The truth is that most players are broke within a couple of years of "retirement."

 

[crisper57]

This is kind of a fallacy. If you look at the average length of an NFL player career and that fact that only a small percentage walk away with "millions" this argument doesn't hold water. The truth is that most players are broke within a couple of years of "retirement."

Coaches aren't responsible for what happens after they leave and their skin color wouldn't make them any less broke.

And moving into coaching might be an option for some to avoid going broke, but the Rooney Rule only applies to HC positions, so there are only 32 of those. Plus they'd have to work their way up first. So the Rooney Rule isn't designed to help them transition into coaching in the first place.

In fact, it would be better for the RR to apply to entry level coaching jobs and then let the individual's body of work speak for itself from there, if continuing their financial security was the goal.

 

[oaken1]

I love that rooney rule,..and affirmative action....because we all know black folks cannot achieve a successful position in their chosen field without special consideration and preferential treatment.........we just know it...its like,...inherent .....aint it?