Is this really fair though? (Rooney rule)

[Dback Jon]

I love that rooney rule,..and affirmative action....because we all know black folks cannot achieve a successful position in their chosen field without special consideration and preferential treatment.........we just know it...its like,...inherent .....aint it?

Football coaching is a very closed profession with a strong good ol boy network.

Black coaches were NOT even being considered - this is why the Rooney Rule and AA were implemented - not that blacks need help because they are not qualified, but they were not even getting INTO the discussion because of ingrained racism.

 

[oaken1]

Football coaching is a very closed profession with a strong good ol boy network.

Black coaches were NOT even being considered - this is why the Rooney Rule and AA were implemented - not that blacks need help because they are not qualified, but they were not even getting INTO the discussion because of ingrained racism.

I remember those days...but they are past...and the rooney rule is ineffective anyway...even many black assistant coaches turn down interviews these days because they know it is just a courtesy visit to satisfy this farce...owners and gm's will still hire whomever they want to without regard to any rules,...they will just entertain someone to comply.....the rooney rule served it's purpose,...which was to get teams looking at and considering black's as potential HC candidates....these days there are so many good young black coaches working their way up the ranks the rule should be abolished.

 

[crisper57]

Football coaching is a very closed profession with a strong good ol boy network.



Black coaches were NOT even being considered - this is why the Rooney Rule and AA were implemented - not that blacks need help because they are not qualified, but they were not even getting INTO the discussion because of ingrained racism.

And that was my point, I guess. Affirmative action/RR only at the apex of a career field is kinda dumb.

If inroads must be made into a Good Old Boy network, shouldn't those requirements permeate all the way down through the lower rungs?

Otherwise, this list is nothing more than a feel good exercise, isn't it?

 

[ajcardfan]

Football coaching is a very closed profession with a strong good ol boy network.

Black coaches were NOT even being considered - this is why the Rooney Rule and AA were implemented - not that blacks need help because they are not qualified, but they were not even getting INTO the discussion because of ingrained racism.

The inequity lies in the FACT that blacks have long made up the majority of players at both the NCAA and NFL levels, yet were way under population percentages at both levels for coaches too. Expecting blacks to just be okay with this because the "best person" was hired (Really? According to WHO?) is naïve at best. Flip the situation and white people would complain as well.

 

[Hollywood]

Where is the rooney rule for women. There arent ANY female head coaches in the NFL. Come to think of it there IS a disproportionate amount of whitw players in the league. Maybe we need to help the white players out....like, white receivers get one "do over" a game or something like that.

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[oaken1]

The inequity lies in the FACT that blacks have long made up the majority of players at both the NCAA and NFL levels, yet were way under population percentages at both levels for coaches too. Expecting blacks to just be okay with this because the "best person" was hired (Really? According to WHO?) is naïve at best. Flip the situation and white people would complain as well.

yup....they need a rule now stating that each team must select at least one non black player in the first three rounds of the draft....just so we can all be treated fairly.

 

[crisper57]

Where is the rooney rule for women. There arent ANY female head coaches in the NFL. Come to think of it there IS a disproportionate amount of whitw players in the league. Maybe we need to help the white players out....like, white receivers get one "do over" a game or something like that.

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Yeah!

There are lots of protested classes. Race, gender, religion, age...

Come to think of it, why aren't the Cards getting credit for hiring a geriatric HC?

 

[ajcardfan]

yup....they need a rule now stating that each team must select at least one non black player in the first three rounds of the draft....just so we can all be treated fairly.

Unless I missed something, there is not a mandate for a race quota in NFL coaching.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

How about the best coach for the job gets the job ?

Totally agree. We are past all the rules and regs. Best man for the job is fair for all.

 

[oaken1]

Unless I missed something, there is not a mandate for a race quota in NFL coaching.

and it still wouldn't be....getting drafted early helps to guarantee a bigger salary,,...but they still have to make the team. Just like getting an interview just gets the guy an opportunity at a better job,...he still has to nail the interview.....players interview in camp.

 

[Duckjake]

You do all know that this rule was created to address the fact that most of the players were minorities and all the coaches and front office people were white. Apartheid?

I still don't understand the correlation here. Most of the coaches in the NFL never played in the NFL. The majority went into coaching right out of college.

The Cardinals have 6 former pro players among their 20 coaches. Seattle has 5 out of 23.

 

[Cardiac]

I have to shake my head at times. Oh the poor white male who has to actually earn the job on merit over networking abilities.

Warren Moon had to go the CFL because ignorant idiots though a black man didn't have the ability or intelligence or..... to be a QB in the NFL. Every friggin GM was wrong and Moon proved it beyond a shadow of doubt so now their is no discrimination in drafting non white QB's.

Maybe those who take shots at affirmative action or the Rooney rule are pure of heart and can't conceive that discrimination was rampant through most of our years and still hasn't been fully eliminated to this day.

Oh the pain and suffering NFL owners and GM's have to endure to interview an extra candidate or two. When will the insanity stop.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I remember those days...but they are past...and the rooney rule is ineffective anyway...even many black assistant coaches turn down interviews these days because they know it is just a courtesy visit to satisfy this farce...owners and gm's will still hire whomever they want to without regard to any rules,...they will just entertain someone to comply.....the rooney rule served it's purpose,...which was to get teams looking at and considering black's as potential HC candidates....these days there are so many good young black coaches working their way up the ranks the rule should be abolished.

Again, lets throw out the Civil Rights laws. We have come so far against racism, we don't need them anymore.

 

[NJCardFan]

Will we ever not have to worry about fairness in our hiring practices, when it comes to how you look rather than who we are? IMO not in the near future. As long is there are many so called Americans still see a coach as white, black or yellow or any other color.

We still have a stigma in this country with people that do see a difference. I hope and pray that I don't see a difference, but be honest how many people do you know or work with or a family member who still hate by color.

IMO we need that panel until this is changed, especial where the confederate flags fly and our President is hated by so many people because of color. It wasn't that long ago that Jackie Robinson broke down a high fence to prove that we all are flesh and blood and die when it's our turn and pray in our own way.

I hate this subject but it remains a truth in our country.My ex son in law was and is the biggest biggot I have ever met.


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So, what you're saying is that only white people are racist. Glad to have someone like you around to tell us these things. Here's a little tidbit genius. I don't like President Obama and it has nothing to do with his skin color(BTW, he's half white) however I'm brow beaten with this charge every day. There are millions of people who don't like him and it has nothing to do with his skin color. These people you speak of are in the extreme minority. But playing along, is it fair to say that those who hated Bush was because of his skin color? Let me give you an education, if you think racism is a one way street, try being white and dating a black person and let me know the reception you get. Oh, and you can be a bigot and not a racist.

 

[8ndkorner]

He's already been a head coach none of them have?

Where?

 

[Snakester]

I have to go with the best man for the job period. Regardless of color. To me this is something that I can see would apply in the 1950's and 1960's. I just don't think it is relevant now. But if they want to make sure that everything is equal then make a new rule that says at least 50 percent of the team both players and coaches have to be white. I would love to see how that would go over. I mean it would only be fair right.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The inequity lies in the FACT that blacks have long made up the majority of players at both the NCAA and NFL levels, yet were way under population percentages at both levels for coaches too. Expecting blacks to just be okay with this because the "best person" was hired (Really? According to WHO?) is naïve at best. Flip the situation and white people would complain as well.

But a black person is the obviously the "best person", right.

Again, Really? According to who?

How about we let the people who know and are going to PAY FOR, who the best person is decide ?

That is all I am saying.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have to go with the best man for the job period. Regardless of color. To me this is something that I can see would apply in the 1950's and 1960's. I just don't think it is relevant now. But if they want to make sure that everything is equal then make a new rule that says at least 50 percent of the team both players and coaches have to be white. I would love to see how that would go over. I mean it would only be fair right.

Trophies for everyone.

 

[ajcardfan]

But a black person is the obviously the "best person", right.

Again, Really? According to who?

How about we let the people who know and are going to PAY FOR, who the best person is decide ?

That is all I am saying.

And this thread supports what I was saying. We have whites in this thread complaining about an extra interview, it's not a quota. Clearly, if the NFL coaching "fraternity" was ever majority black they would have a huge issue with it. But, they expect people actually working there to just shut up about race now.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

And this thread supports what I was saying. We have whites in this thread complaining about an extra interview, it's not a quota. Clearly, if the NFL coaching "fraternity" was ever majority black they would have a huge issue with it. But, they expect people actually working there to just shut up about race now.

I have no problem with the interview.

I have a problem with the complaint that people that have earned there way to a head coaching position are being questioned because they are white.

"You got the job because you are white"

That is very insulting. The hours, time, sacrifice, and discipline these people make to get the position, and get the job, and the day they obtain their goal, it boils down to their skin color ? That they were "given" the job ?

F-that! Because that is what things like the Rooney Rule are implying, that a person who has worked his arse off to get somewhere in life is not the best person for the job, and a man of a different skin color is better. So, other people that have no idea what the criteria for the job is, feel they have the right to force others to spend money, and hire as they deem fit, even though they have ZERO involvement in the company/team/situation.

The person gets the job because he is better at doing it then the other people that applied for it. People care way too much about money these days for it to be any other way, and there is thousands of daily examples of how important money is in our society proving that statement. Green is the the one color people put above all else, that I am sure of.

And yes, I understand we agree on the issue. Just talking at the wind at this point.

And just so you know, it doesn't stop at skin color. In rugby the most RIDICULOUS madness I have ever heard was that people AUTOMATICALLY would believe anyone with any type of accent in their voice to be the absolute top of the food chain when it comes to knowledge about the game. Seriously ? So, this guy knows more than anyone else on the field about rugby because he has an accent ?

But isn't that the case these days. If you are too boring then how can you be good at anything ?

Just ridiculous.

 

[cardpa]

There is still racism in this country. However don't think for a minute it doesn't go both ways. A certain number of black people are just as racist as a certain number of white people. The thing I am tired of hearing or seeing is the race card pulled as leverage when something happens even though it has nothing to do with the situation.

 

[Southpaw]

yup....they need a rule now stating that each team must select at least one non black player in the first three rounds of the draft....just so we can all be treated fairly.

and he should be a RB, WR or DB. Just to make it fair.

 

[Shane]

And this thread supports what I was saying. We have whites in this thread complaining about an extra interview, it's not a quota. Clearly, if the NFL coaching "fraternity" was ever majority black they would have a huge issue with it. But, they expect people actually working there to just shut up about race now.

I have no problem with an "interview" at all. My problem lies in the fact that they created a whole panel that will recommend head coaching candidates but will put a "special emphasis" on minority candidates. Thus saying we are pushing to get these people hired over white people. So you have a white guy clearly qualified and maybe even more so. Now he is gonna get screwed because this panel didn't recommend him or get his name out there because he's white since the "emphasis" isn't on the best coach but the minority coach.

The whole thing is bunk.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I have no problem with an "interview" at all. My problem lies in the fact that they created a whole panel that will recommend head coaching candidates but will put a "special emphasis" on minority candidates. Thus saying we are pushing to get these people hired over white people. So you have a white guy clearly qualified and maybe even more so. Now he is gonna get screwed because this panel didn't recommend him or get his name out there because he's white since the "emphasis" isn't on the best coach but the minority coach.

The whole thing is bunk.

Unless a team is 'required' to hire from a pre-screened list, can't see this as much of an issue. Nowhere did i see a directive that team 'must' hire a minority candidate.

 

[ajcardfan]

I have no problem with an "interview" at all. My problem lies in the fact that they created a whole panel that will recommend head coaching candidates but will put a "special emphasis" on minority candidates. Thus saying we are pushing to get these people hired over white people. So you have a white guy clearly qualified and maybe even more so. Now he is gonna get screwed because this panel didn't recommend him or get his name out there because he's white since the "emphasis" isn't on the best coach but the minority coach.

The whole thing is bunk.

Um, the teams can still hire whoever they want.