Isaiah Thomas To Suns

[mojorizen7]

Bledsoe seems to be a great talent with a fragile NBA body. Personally i have little patience with uber-talented athletes who continually miss chunks of time here and there.

Is this Isiah kid durable at least? His numbers look good.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I just don't understand what's the point of putting in more than $37 million on 3 guards and not a single one of them has ever even made AS team.

So your problem here is that none of them made the all star game? Well, Dragic wasn't quite an all star but he was close and we haven't quite spent that money yet, but we're close, so I think we're gonna be okay. (I think "thin candy shell" comes next)

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

Man, I was not sure about this until I saw the numbers. Front-loaded four year contract for less than $7M per yer? You can't beat that!

Ish is likely gone, Ennis can play in D-League this season. PG problem solved.

I actually think this will be effective. the Suns are dangerous with two combo guards on the floor, and with IT, they can pretty much run two combo guards for 48 minutes a night. When Bledsoe goes out, you put IT in, and you essentially have the same thing (on offense anyway.)

I am a bit concerned that Archie and Warren just won't have enough time to develop. I don't see how they can find enough minutes for them. Hell, not sure how you find any minutes for them.

I still don't like that we have no legitimate PF on the roster, except for Markieff Morris, who is somewhat undersized for that position.

Either way, this is a great deal, in my opinion. Can't wait to see what McD does to solve our PF problem now.

 

[BC867]

I just don't understand what's the point of putting in more than $37 million on 3 guards and not a single one of them has ever even made AS team.

But one of them was recognized as 3rd team All NBA -- one of the six best Guards.

He didn't make the All Star team because we wuz robbed. The Suns need to take a page from the D-backs playbook and the campaign they mounted for Goldy.

 

[Phrazbit]

Man, I was not sure about this until I saw the numbers. Front-loaded four year contract for less than $7M per yer? You can't beat that!

Ish is likely gone, Ennis can play in D-League this season. PG problem solved.

I actually think this will be effective. the Suns are dangerous with two combo guards on the floor, and with IT, they can pretty much run two combo guards for 48 minutes a night. When Bledsoe goes out, you put IT in, and you essentially have the same thing (on offense anyway.)

I am a bit concerned that Archie and Warren just won't have enough time to develop. I don't see how they can find enough minutes for them. Hell, not sure how you find any minutes for them.

I still don't like that we have no legitimate PF on the roster, except for Markieff Morris, who is somewhat undersized for that position.

Either way, this is a great deal, in my opinion. Can't wait to see what McD does to solve our PF problem now.

Archie is certainly going to lose some potential PT, unless Green is on the move, but I think Warren is strictly a forward.

 

[SirStefan32]

Archie is certainly going to lose some potential PT, unless Green is on the move, but I think Warren is strictly a forward.

Oh absolutely. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I was just trying to find playing time for Archie and Warren. Assuming the three combo guards take up all the PG and SG playing time, that leaves 48 minutes at SF to be shared by Tucker, Warren, Green, Marcus Morris and Goodwin.

I wonder if we are looking at Marcus, Warren and Tucker at PF behind Markieff?

 

[Sci Fi]

Man, I was not sure about this until I saw the numbers. Front-loaded four year contract for less than $7M per yer? You can't beat that!

Ish is likely gone, Ennis can play in D-League this season. PG problem solved.

I actually think this will be effective. the Suns are dangerous with two combo guards on the floor, and with IT, they can pretty much run two combo guards for 48 minutes a night. When Bledsoe goes out, you put IT in, and you essentially have the same thing (on offense anyway.)

I am a bit concerned that Archie and Warren just won't have enough time to develop. I don't see how they can find enough minutes for them. Hell, not sure how you find any minutes for them.

I still don't like that we have no legitimate PF on the roster, except for Markieff Morris, who is somewhat undersized for that position.

Either way, this is a great deal, in my opinion. Can't wait to see what McD does to solve our PF problem now.

Goodwin will struggle to ever be a starter in this league. He can't shoot and that's a lot harder to fix than people think. If I'm wrong, he'll step up and the Suns can easily make a trade. Same goes for Warren. If he's any good, he'll earn his time. I expect almost nothing from either next year.

This is a great deal. Extreme flexibility from a playing perspective as you say as well as for future player moves.

 

[Chaplin]

I like the signing, I really do.

But we have to address the PF/C position. Summer league will see Len and Plumlee playing together at the same time, that may be more prophetic than we know. Either way, we NEED at least another big man. Shavlik Randolph ain't going to cut it.

 

[elindholm]

Summer league will see Len and Plumlee playing together at the same time, that may be more prophetic than we know.

We're going to see Gerald Green at PF more than we'll see a Len-Plumlee set.

 

[Chaplin]

We're going to see Gerald Green at PF more than we'll see a Len-Plumlee set.

Cynical, but completely wrong. Gerald Green won't see any time at PF. PJ Tucker? Marcus Morris? Sure. But Gerald Green will never be our PF. Never.

 

[Folster]

It's not hard to see what the Suns are thinking with this signing. I haven't looked at the stats, but I imagine there is a big drop off in production when Bledsoe and Dragic were not on the court together. Thomas adds a third starting caliber guard to the roster that allows the Suns to have 2 of the 3 on the court at all times barring injury.

I too worry about the lack of quality front court players, but I'd rather have an asset with Thomas than sign a liability that fills a front court need.

 

[sunsfan88]

So your problem here is that none of them made the all star game? Well, Dragic wasn't quite an all star but he was close and we haven't quite spent that money yet, but we're close, so I think we're gonna be okay. (I think "thin candy shell" comes next)

Steve

No my problem is that we will be handing out $37M+ plus to a trio of point guards.

I would have the same problem if we were paying CP3, Westbrook and Curry.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I like the signing, I really do.

But we have to address the PF/C position. Summer league will see Len and Plumlee playing together at the same time, that may be more prophetic than we know. Either way, we NEED at least another big man. Shavlik Randolph ain't going to cut it.

It's already been discussed that this is simply not the year for quality FA Forwards... 2015 and 2016 are those years and we will have serious currency to use when that time arrives ...


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[AzStevenCal]

No my problem is that we will be handing out $37M+ plus to a trio of point guards.

I would have the same problem if we were paying CP3, Westbrook and Curry.

Then you're not only jumping the gun, you're jumping everyone that's ever held one.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

It's already been discussed that this is simply not the year for quality FA Forwards... 2015 and 2016 are those years and we will have serious currency to use when that time arrives ...


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You're talking about strictly Free Agents. Trades are possible as well.

 

[SirStefan32]

No my problem is that we will be handing out $37M+ plus to a trio of point guards.

I would have the same problem if we were paying CP3, Westbrook and Curry.

That's a bit silly.

First off, we will be handing out less than $30M to those three this year, not $37M.

Suns are also in a very good shape when it comes to their salary situation. They have more money right now than they can spend this year, and they will be in an even better situation next year.

"Three point guards" statement is a bit dishonest. Dragic and Bledsoe are both combo guards. Those three will be sharing minutes at PG and SG positions, much like Paul and Curry could play together.

I don't know anyone here who wouldn't prefer to have and extra PF instead of an extra combo guard, but let's not be dishonest and overly dramatic about the situation.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You're talking about strictly Free Agents. Trades are possible as well.

So what quality big man do you believe would be moved for one of our guards, and/or who else would you be willing to package with a guard to go after a quality starting big man??



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[elindholm]

Cynical, but completely wrong. Gerald Green won't see any time at PF. PJ Tucker? Marcus Morris? Sure. But Gerald Green will never be our PF. Never.

I guess we'll just have to see. But hypothetically, if the lineup is Thomas-Bledsoe-Dragic-Green-MkMorris, you'd call Green the PF, right? Just hypothetically.

 

[elindholm]

"Three point guards" statement is a bit dishonest. Dragic and Bledsoe are both combo guards. Those three will be sharing minutes at PG and SG positions, much like Paul and Curry could play together.

The problem with that argument is that PG is the best position for all three players. I know there's a school of thought on this board that thinks Dragic is a SG, but I sure don't see it, and if you asked him, I bet he'd give you a nasty look. (Okay, that's his default facial expression, but still.)

The other problem is that there are two true SGs on the roster in Green and Goodwin, one of whom was the team's most consistent wing scorer last season and the other of whom is probably the most talented prospect in the organization. With the three "combo guards" presumably taking nearly all of the 96 backcourt minutes per game, the only way for Green or Goodwin to see time is to play up at SF or hope that someone gets hurt.

And never mind the fact that putting Green at SF creates a logjam with the three other SFs needing time (McMorris, Tucker, Warren).

The only solution is small ball, severe small ball, and lots of it. Which will be cute and put a lot of points on the board, but be hopeless in the playoffs. In other words, the same problem that I could have sworn most of us were sick to death of.

 

[SirStefan32]

The problem with that argument is that PG is the best position for all three players. I know there's a school of thought on this board that thinks Dragic is a SG, but I sure don't see it, and if you asked him, I bet he'd give you a nasty look. (Okay, that's his default facial expression, but still.)

The other problem is that there are two true SGs on the roster in Green and Goodwin, one of whom was the team's most consistent wing scorer last season and the other of whom is probably the most talented prospect in the organization. With the three "combo guards" presumably taking nearly all of the 96 backcourt minutes per game, the only way for Green or Goodwin to see time is to play up at SF or hope that someone gets hurt.

And never mind the fact that putting Green at SF creates a logjam with the three other SFs needing time (McMorris, Tucker, Warren).

The only solution is small ball, severe small ball, and lots of it. Which will be cute and put a lot of points on the board, but be hopeless in the playoffs. In other words, the same problem that I could have sworn most of us were sick to death of.

I don't disagree with anything you said. If you go back a page or two, you'll see that I mentioned some of this in my initial post about this signing.

Also, if I wasn't the first one to express skepticism about Bledsoe/ Dragic combo, I was among the first three people to do so.

My point was simply that the other poster was being way too dramatic.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'm gonna hold off on my "small ball sucks" talk until the roster is set.

 

[Ronin]

I'm gonna hold off on my "small ball sucks" talk until the roster is set.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Definitely good value. Had a very good PER last year. But, I do have to wonder why he would want to move back to a bench role when he was a starter last year, playing 35 minutes a game. Seems like a step back, career wise. Unless, of course, he has good reason to believe he will start soon enough.

That's pretty simple actually. He wasn't going to start for the Kings next year as they brought in Collison to be their starter next season. He is on record as saying that he no longer wanted to be in Sac anymore because they continuously try to replace him no matter how good he plays.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Personally haven't seen a ton of IT, but reading a lot of comments on Kings boards they sure seem to love the effort and intensity that IT brings to every game. They also don't believe him to be a "bad" defender, but an obviously limited defender due to size. Just saying that at least according to them he isn't someone who "doesn't play any defense".

 

[leclerc]

I thought Green was our sixth man. Oh well he'll be a frontrunner for 7th man of the year.