Isn't right now the best time for a trade?

[sunsfan88]

Considering that we have until Thursday before we play, does anyone else feel like a trade should probably be done now if we're gonna make a trade soon?

It would allow the new player(s) to get familiar with the system and coaches etc.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the Suns may be looking at a multi-player trade including one of the new Suns like Childress or Warrick. I think if the Suns are looking at such, there is a waiting period which I think ends in December. Anyway, just a thought.

 

[Chaplin]

I think the Suns may be looking at a multi-player trade including one of the new Suns like Childress or Warrick. I think if the Suns are looking at such, there is a waiting period which I think ends in December. Anyway, just a thought.

You may be right. I have to think it's one of our SF's and JRich that they're looking at offloading, although JRich is easily our best player right now.

December is a big month. In THEORY, this is the month where we see what we have. Having a horrid schedule to start and a team with half being new players, it's tough to gauge what exactly we have. December will be a very important month in regards to how we move forward.

 

[carey]

Also, it's tough to make a trade when every team and their mother knows what you need. The term cents on the dollar comes to mind....

 

[mojorizen7]

December is a big month. In THEORY, this is the month where we see what we have. Having a horrid schedule to start and a team with half being new players, it's tough to gauge what exactly we have. December will be a very important month in regards to how we move forward.

We likely have the worst SUNS team since '03/'04 and this team is headed in the wrong direction.
Careful with the analysis paralysis.....changes have to be made if we're going to turn this ship around and thats the bottom line Chap.

 

[Chaplin]

We likely have the worst SUNS team since '03/'04 and this team is headed in the wrong direction.
Careful with the analysis paralysis.....changes have to be made if we're going to turn this ship around and thats the bottom line Chap.

So I'm guessing you disagree with my theory on the month of December. My question to you now is are you watching this year? And if so, why? Just curious why so many people HATE this Suns team yet still watch them. Gluttons for punishment I suppose.

 

[carey]

Gluttons for punishment I suppose.

Isn't that called being a fan?

 

[Chaplin]

Isn't that called being a fan?

Not if you're a fan of the Lakers or the Spurs.

 

[mojorizen7]

So I'm guessing you disagree with my theory on the month of December. My question to you now is are you watching this year? And if so, why? Just curious why so many people HATE this Suns team yet still watch them. Gluttons for punishment I suppose.

No i think your theory is sound,but when you step back and look at the big picture i stand by my post.

..and no,i'm not watching. I think the product on the court is a Sarver recycling job to just make money.

I miss caring about this team. I mean that.

 

[Chaplin]

No i think your theory is sound,but when you step back and look at the big picture i stand by my post.

..and no,i'm not watching. I think the product on the court is a Sarver recycling job to just make money.

I miss caring about this team. I mean that.

Definitely don't doubt that--you're still posting here after all.

 

[mojorizen7]

Definitely don't doubt that--you're still posting here after all.

For sure. You and i have had our share of differences over this team but we're both still fans and we both want what we think is best for the team.

 

[sunsfan88]

So I'm guessing you disagree with my theory on the month of December. My question to you now is are you watching this year? And if so, why? Just curious why so many people HATE this Suns team yet still watch them. Gluttons for punishment I suppose.

Nobody hates the Suns team. Everybody just admits that they suck.

Unless their, of course, homers.

You have to be drinking the Suns kool-aid if you actually think that this roster can be considered contenders. I personally doubt they even make the playoffs with teams like New Orleans on the rise. If the Suns wanna compete with the other teams, they better get somebody.

 

[jagu]

So I'm guessing you disagree with my theory on the month of December. My question to you now is are you watching this year? And if so, why? Just curious why so many people HATE this Suns team yet still watch them. Gluttons for punishment I suppose.

You always seem to post this. A fan always watches their team , win or lose, this should be pretty obvious. For many years the Knicks sucked but the fans showed up, win or lose, the Garden had a lot of fans. Grant Hill could be a guy on the block. He would be a good fit on many playoff teams IMO. He still has great skills.

 

[Chaplin]

Nobody hates the Suns team. Everybody just admits that they suck.

Unless their, of course, homers.

You have to be drinking the Suns kool-aid if you actually think that this roster can be considered contenders. I personally doubt they even make the playoffs with teams like New Orleans on the rise. If the Suns wanna compete with the other teams, they better get somebody.

I will admit, "hate" was probably the wrong word, but it's obvious you and your brethren don't particularly like this version of the team, so maybe I should have put it that way.

And again, like every post you write in response to me, you put words into my mouth that don't exist. I have never said this team are contenders. I wish just once you'd stay on point and not make up stuff in order to support your flimsy arguments.

 

[sunsfan88]

I will admit, "hate" was probably the wrong word, but it's obvious you and your brethren don't particularly like this version of the team, so maybe I should have put it that way.

And again, like every post you write in response to me, you put words into my mouth that don't exist. I have never said this team are contenders. I wish just once you'd stay on point and not make up stuff in order to support your flimsy arguments.

Alright so what is your take on this season then? Are you part of the "Just wait and see...our 220-235 lbs big men will magically solve our rebounding and defensive issues"? Or are you part of the "Rebuildin starts now... The Suns are gonna suck *** for next few seasons" group?

In case your wondering I'm part of the "Make a trade and try fixin the problems instead of wasting Nash & Hill's last few seasons of their career"

Or do you have a different opinion

 

[Chaplin]

Alright so what is your take on this season then? Are you part of the "Just wait and see...our 220-235 lbs big men will magically solve our rebounding and defensive issues"? Or are you part of the "Rebuildin starts now... The Suns are gonna suck *** for next few seasons" group?

In case your wondering I'm part of the "Make a trade and try fixin the problems instead of wasting Nash & Hill's last few seasons of their career"

Or do you have a different opinion

1) We are NOT going to win the championship.

2) Trading JRich isn't going to get us anything in return that will allow us to win a championship.

3) The lockout is a BIG deal next year. That is going to figure on any decisions to make or not make a move.

4) If Nash and Hill don't want to leave, who are you to say they should because it would be better for them? You're just a fan, after all. We all are.

5) Problems are not going to be fixed by making a trade, unless it's horribly one-sided for us, and that will never happen. We're not the Lakers.

6) And finally, trades take two to tango. Just because you want to get rid of Robin Lopez, Jared Dudley and Earl Clark doesn't mean anyone wants them in return. And for pieces we'd actually want back.

 

[Michael]

I don't understand how one could hate the current Suns team. Sure, they won't win the championship this year and we're all frustrated about this massive opportunity we let slip past over the last 5 years (JJ injury, JJ to Atlanta, Amar'e injury, Horry incident...). We don't have any exciting young talents and watching Brook Lopez today made me wish his twin brother had half of his skills.
Another reason why a lot of fans are frustrated are certainly the fresh memories of last year. That was the most fun Suns team after 2005 (wish we'd had the 2010 bench on the 2005 team) and 1993.

But the Suns still have a lot going for them. Watching Nash and Hill is always fun. Add JRich and I am VERY happy with positions 1 to 3. If we could somehow pull of a trade to get a solid power forward, we'd starting winning again.

As a last (admittedly pessimistic thought) we should enjoy the current team because it surely doesn't look promising for the near future of Suns basketball.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

1) We are NOT going to win the championship.

2) Trading JRich isn't going to get us anything in return that will allow us to win a championship.

3) The lockout is a BIG deal next year. That is going to figure on any decisions to make or not make a move.

4) If Nash and Hill don't want to leave, who are you to say they should because it would be better for them? You're just a fan, after all. We all are.

5) Problems are not going to be fixed by making a trade, unless it's horribly one-sided for us, and that will never happen. We're not the Lakers.

6) And finally, trades take two to tango. Just because you want to get rid of Robin Lopez, Jared Dudley and Earl Clark doesn't mean anyone wants them in return. And for pieces we'd actually want back.

Agreed on all levels.

Too many people (no offense Sunsfan88, your not the only one and I'm not intending to target you directly) have a view that you can wave a magic wand, make a trade and things will instantly improve. You have to consider many variables when making a trade, you have to find a partner willing to trade and a chip that would be a fit both in the system and chemistry-wise.

The part I bolded I most agree with. Unfortunately, in most video games, we can overload the system enough with one sided deals and get the gaming system to finally budge.

Not that the afforementioned players aren't tradable chips, however the value you're going to get in return isn't going to be as high as people think.

 

[elindholm]

Just remember how soft the trade market was for Stoudemire. The Suns tried to move him for at least two years and never got an appealing offer. And now they're going to improve the team significantly by trading Childress and Clark?

 

[Bufalay]

Just remember how soft the trade market was for Stoudemire. The Suns tried to move him for at least two years and never got an appealing offer. And now they're going to improve the team significantly by trading Childress and Clark?

Maybe they can trade Childress and Clark for Stoudemire.

 

[jagu]

With Rolo's questionable health, he really isn't trade material. The NBA frustrates me, you had a great trade chip in Amare and you can't even get Michael Beasley back for him. You have zero leverage in trades in the NBA, unless your dealing with Memphis lol (see Pau Gasol in exchange for center Kwame Brown, rookie point guard Javaris Crittenton, and two first-round draft picks in 2008 and 2010.)...

If we are trading anything it would be to a contending team (who really wants low first round draft picks?) and they probably have a really overpaid player who sucks and has one year left on the deal which will be sent back in return for our good player. A losing team would not even want a guy like J-Rich or Hill because they aren't going to win the championship with them on the team anyway. Basically we are screwed.

I like the baseball trade system. There's at least some level of balance in the trades.

 

[elindholm]

The NBA frustrates me, you had a great trade chip in Amare and you can't even get Michael Beasley back for him.

Beasley was available for the taking, but the Suns didn't want him.

If we are trading anything it would be to a contending team (who really wants low first round draft picks?) and they probably have on really overpaid player who sucks and has one year left on the deal which will be sent back in return for our good player. A losing team would not even want a guy like J-Rich or Hill because they aren't going to win the championship with them on the team anyway. Basically we are screwed.

It's true that the Suns are very low on attractive trade assets right now, the result of many years of poor personnel decisions.

I like the baseball trade system. There's at least some level of balance in the trades.

MLB trades are often even more lopsided. But, in any case, it's not the NBA's fault that the Suns have saddled themselves with this roster.

 

[jagu]

It's very rare that you can get an MLB star player without giving up top prospects. Unless the star player's contract is a major headache for the team trading him.

 

[AzStevenCal]

It's very rare that you can get an MLB star player without giving up top prospects. Unless the star player's contract is a major headache for the team trading him.

Yeah, but oftentimes the prospects are years away from reaching their potential and many of them never do. At least in the NBA you usually have to at least pretend to exchange equal or near equal value. It's never really that simple but at least there's a template in place. In baseball, unless you're Charlie O, you can pretty much trade or sell anyone you want regardless of compensation.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

Unless the star player's contract is a major headache for the team trading him.

Which it often is. That's sort of like saying, "It rarely rains in Seattle, unless there are gray clouds in the sky."