It All Starts with Murray

[slanidrac16]

Your reading comprehension needs to improve badly man.

Thanks I’ll work on that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Just out of curiosity, not trolling, have there been any accounts of Murray being a good leader? I've heard great talent, great athlete, etc. but don't remember much on being an inspiring leader. He seems to care much more this year and putting in more work but he's probably going to be known more for having a study clause placed in his contract and more interested in video games.
First impressions are hard to change and probably not many leaders have had to have clauses put in their contract to try and make their job a higher priority.

I believe he got receivers together in the offseason this year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don’t think good leaders get released from a team they just won a Super Bowl with.

Sure they do. If the team is trying to upgrade the talent. Some great leaders aren’t that physically talented. By all accounts colt mccoy was considered a terrific leader but an underwhelming tools guy.

Seems some of you guys can’t understand this concept.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I believe he got receivers together in the offseason this year.

He did his own mini-camp in LA and used space at UCLA. There is a YouTube video of it.

 

[WeBlitz]

Sure they do. If the team is trying to upgrade the talent. Some great leaders aren’t that physically talented. By all accounts colt mccoy was considered a terrific leader but an underwhelming tools guy.

Seems some of you guys can’t understand this concept.

Sure they do not. I never said good leaders had to be physically talented. Where did you even get that from? I have pretty much regurgitated that a person that is bad at their job isn’t a leader because they cannot be trusted in the first place. Doesn’t matter what “tools” they have.

You know what’s funny? Thanks to you and @Krangodnzr for bringing it up, but Kyler going out of his way to work on team chemistry with his teammates and holding a camp in UCLA is something I think people would say is something a “good leaders” would do. This was probably on his dime, too. However, guess what? Nobody cares he did that because he’s bad at his job.

It’s not a realistic concept to real people. Ouchie, whatever your job history, I cannot imagine you taking your counterparts seriously who you know were bad at their job. Nobody here realistically does.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Dude was such a good leader that he played on 5 different teams and did something that has never done before which was being dropped from a team directly after winning a Super Bowl(in which he literally didn’t do much at all).

Horrific example.

You clearly don’t understand leadership. Shame.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This conversation has dragged enough.

Point being:

It’s possible to be a good player while being a bad leader Hell, you see it all the time in the NBA.

There’s no such thing as a bad player being a good leader because that bad player is never taken seriously to begin with.


I doubt anyone would give a damn about Kyler’s leadership qualities if he was/is a still a bad QB.

This shows me that you really really don’t understand leadership. It’s not just that you don’t seem to recognize who a leader is, but it seems you don’t understand what traits make up leadership.

I’ve seen this look on some ultra talented athletes. They’re better players than the leaders on their team. They “don’t take the leader seriously,” as you state. They end up being unable to lead the team themselves due to their arrogance and they undermine the actual leadership of the team. They cause conflict and they typically end up being cancers on their own teams. These are your typical prima donnas that most people can’t stand.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Without one of the greatest defenses in NFL history, that Dilfer led team would’ve won 3 games. In the middle of that season, the Ravens went like 4 games without scoring a touchdown & they still won those games.

Agreed. I am literally saying he wasn’t a great QB. But he was a good leader. I don’t think that team wins if dilfer was both a bad QB and a terrible leader.

 

[kerouac9]

This shows me that you really really don’t understand leadership. It’s not just that you don’t seem to recognize who a leader is, but it seems you don’t understand what traits make up leadership.

I’ve seen this look on some ultra talented athletes. They’re better players than the leaders on their team. They “don’t take the leader seriously,” as you state. They end up being unable to lead the team themselves due to their arrogance and they undermine the actual leadership of the team. They cause conflict and they typically end up being cancers on their own teams. These are your typical prima donnas that most people can’t stand.

I think there's a middle ground that you're flying over. It seems to me that @DVontel is saying it's really hard for, like, Zach Pascal to be a credible leader on an NFL team. He's hung around the NFL for a minute, for sure, but he's also a bottom-of-the-roster player.

James Conner was an injury case for much of his career, but was a credible leader because he played well on the field, even if he's not an All-Pro talent. Kyler Murray is an all-pro talent, but can't or won't figure out how to connect with his teammates in a genuine way that isn't coordinated by an event manager.