It will take years to undo the mess that Graves has created!!!

[Red Fury]

We all are going to have to be really patient with Dennis Green. Everytime I think back to last years draft(Pace & Johnson) it makes me want to puke. The first round mistakes will haunt the Cardinals for years to come.

We waste #1 picks on Pace & Johnson and pass up Leftwich. Pace is a 3rd string DE on a team that is searching for DL help, how pathetic is that. How Graves can keep his job is beyond me. He has to have something on the Bidwills.

I think that this year is going to be dismal, based on the injuries and turnover of personnel and would be shocked if the Cards win more than 3 games. Hopefully next year they can climb to 8-8, after another good draft, and in Green's third year make the playoffs.

I know it's hard but be patient for a couple of years and you will see the Cards moving in the right direction.

 

[pete]

"Patience" is a Cardinal Fan's middle name.

 

[earthsci]

Yeah, thanks for the pep talk.

 

[Gnomad]

16 years and still rebuilding.

 

[abomb]

Flag. 15 yards. You cant mention botched drafts and Leftwich without also uttering the name "Terrell Suggs".

That is all.

A-Bomb

 

[NickelBack]

We waste #1 picks on Pace & Johnson

Surely you have a better grasp on the situation than to lump Pace and Johnson together, don't you?

 

[nidan]

Once again I hear this cry and it based on no knowledge of just how much control Rod Graves had vs Mac.

The assumption in the email is that it was a RG gig and you do not know that.

What I do know is that RG wanted Denny and seems to have a good relationship with him. This suggests that maybe Rod had less control of last years draft than you believe.

 

[azdad1978]

Even if we have Drafted Lefty or Suggs would we still have gotten Quan in the same draft? IMO Johnson will still be there by the time we pick again so there's a chance we would have missed out on Quan.

 

[40yearfan]

C'mon guys. Woulda, coulda, shoulda's are kind of like longing for an ex-wife who took you to the cleaners. It only sounds good until it happens. The past is gone and there is no way to change it. Buck up, assess your situation, and never look back. If you throw in the towell before the fight even starts, I'll guarantee you'll lose every time. Who knows what tomorrow will bring. We could have some unexpected people step up and take this team to heights we have never known. Look at Dallas last year. If it can happen there, it can happen here. Never---no never give up the ship!!!!!

:strains of "We are the Champions" playing softly in the background growing to a cresendo at the finish:

 

[justAndy]

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[Skkorpion]

Hey Red Fury

This year, the Cards stuck with their draft board and picked the highest ranked remaining player in each round. Denny Green made the call to do so.

The board was Rod Graves' doing and the scouting was done for the first time by Graves' scouting group. Of course Denny Green had input but there is no way Denny Green saw, scouted, or ranked 250 players himself.

So your little tirade might make you feel good but it's got little basis in reality.

 

[TruColor]

"Patience" is a Cardinal Fan's middle name.

I thought it was "dumbfounded"...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

We all are going to have to be really patient with Dennis Green. Everytime I think back to last years draft(Pace & Johnson) it makes me want to puke. The first round mistakes will haunt the Cardinals for years to come.

We waste #1 picks on Pace & Johnson and pass up Leftwich. Pace is a 3rd string DE on a team that is searching for DL help, how pathetic is that. How Graves can keep his job is beyond me. He has to have something on the Bidwills.

I think that this year is going to be dismal, based on the injuries and turnover of personnel and would be shocked if the Cards win more than 3 games. Hopefully next year they can climb to 8-8, after another good draft, and in Green's third year make the playoffs.

I know it's hard but be patient for a couple of years and you will see the Cards moving in the right direction.

PUKE your heart out...

 

[Red Fury]

Surely you have a better grasp on the situation than to lump Pace and Johnson together, don't you?

The only reason that they were lumped together is that they were both taken way earlier than they should have been. I do think that Johnson will become a good receiver in the NFL but I don't have much hope for Pace.

 

[clif]

We all are going to have to be really patient with Dennis Green. Everytime I think back to last years draft(Pace & Johnson) it makes me want to puke. The first round mistakes will haunt the Cardinals for years to come.

We waste #1 picks on Pace & Johnson and pass up Leftwich. Pace is a 3rd string DE on a team that is searching for DL help, how pathetic is that. How Graves can keep his job is beyond me. He has to have something on the Bidwills.

I think that this year is going to be dismal, based on the injuries and turnover of personnel and would be shocked if the Cards win more than 3 games. Hopefully next year they can climb to 8-8, after another good draft, and in Green's third year make the playoffs.

I know it's hard but be patient for a couple of years and you will see the Cards moving in the right direction.

Now I will say that moving down was a bad move last year IMO, but I think it is hard to lump pace and johnson together... If you look at Johnsons numbers, he had a decent ROOKIE year. He just got overshadowed by Anquan obviously. I think he will be fine especially now he is # 3. The part that kills me is passing on Suggs (mulligan here) and taking a WR from Penn State in the first place???? I mean they are not exactly a powerhouse for receivers.

 

[conraddobler]

We all are going to have to be really patient with Dennis Green. Everytime I think back to last years draft(Pace & Johnson) it makes me want to puke. The first round mistakes will haunt the Cardinals for years to come.

We waste #1 picks on Pace & Johnson and pass up Leftwich. Pace is a 3rd string DE on a team that is searching for DL help, how pathetic is that. How Graves can keep his job is beyond me. He has to have something on the Bidwills.

I think that this year is going to be dismal, based on the injuries and turnover of personnel and would be shocked if the Cards win more than 3 games. Hopefully next year they can climb to 8-8, after another good draft, and in Green's third year make the playoffs.

I know it's hard but be patient for a couple of years and you will see the Cards moving in the right direction.

I agree our talent base is very low and that happend partially on Graves watch but then again you have Mac and Co who had input about players they wanted.

It was an assistant that talked up Boldin or we could have missed him too.

What you have to factor in is that the coach has a specific system and before Green we drafted on need all the time 24/7. This can cause strings of misfires but when you take the best players straight down the line you build and build and build heavy loads of talent and then if you wind up with 3 awesome QB's you can trade one.

I said it would take a while for this mess to sort itself out but I really don't blame Graves I blame the same old same old Cardinals of old that always reached for plugging holes.

 

[Red Fury]

I said it would take a while for this mess to sort itself out but I really don't blame Graves I blame the same old same old Cardinals of old that always reached for plugging holes.

I do blame Graves. When you have a top pick in the draft and have the chance to grab an impact player and wind up with Pace and Johnson instead something is wrong. Heads should roll and the first one should be Graves.

I don't think that you can blame Mac for Graves drafts. I know one thing, Mac was devastated when they drafted Pace and Johnson in the first round. They should have taken Suggs or Leftwich. Watch both of these guys blossom this year while we watch Pace sit on the bench, unless they cut his butt.

 

[CardinalChris]

I do blame Graves. When you have a top pick in the draft and have the chance to grab an impact player and wind up with Pace and Johnson instead something is wrong. Heads should roll and the first one should be Graves.

I don't think that you can blame Mac for Graves drafts. I know one thing, Mac was devastated when they drafted Pace and Johnson in the first round. They should have taken Suggs or Leftwich. Watch both of these guys blossom this year while we watch Pace sit on the bench, unless they cut his butt.

Did you like this years draft? One good draft, one bad one? If so, we should let Graves draft one more year and next year can be the tie breaker. Best two outta three.

 

[nidan]

I do blame Graves. When you have a top pick in the draft and have the chance to grab an impact player and wind up with Pace and Johnson instead something is wrong. Heads should roll and the first one should be Graves.

I don't think that you can blame Mac for Graves drafts. I know one thing, Mac was devastated when they drafted Pace and Johnson in the first round. They should have taken Suggs or Leftwich.

How many hints do Skkorp and I have to drop. For example, I won't say why or how but I do know why we didn't draft Leftwich. Note: I didn't say IMO, I said I know.

I'll try again, you are wrong in your assumptions, you want to blame Rod Graves because he is still here but that doesn't make you correct.

 

[Duckjake]

How many hints do Skkorp and I have to drop. For example, I won't say why or how but I do know why we didn't draft Leftwich. Note: I didn't say IMO, I said I know.

I'll try again, you are wrong in your assumptions, you want to blame Rod Graves because he is still here but that doesn't make you correct.

I know why they didn't draft Leftwich. The Cards already knew they were going to hire Green. To get Green they were going to have to draft Fitzgerald. To get Fitz was going to take 60 million dollars. In order to have the money they drafted Pace and BJ instead.

 

[Red Fury]

How many hints do Skkorp and I have to drop. For example, I won't say why or how but I do know why we didn't draft Leftwich. Note: I didn't say IMO, I said I know.

I'll try again, you are wrong in your assumptions, you want to blame Rod Graves because he is still here but that doesn't make you correct.

Please unlighten us and tell me why the Cards didn't draft Leftwich. Who else should we blame for the draft fiasco? Graves has to take full responsibility, it was his baby.

 

[nidan]

I know why they didn't draft Leftwich. The Cards already knew they were going to hire Green. To get Green they were going to have to draft Fitzgerald. To get Fitz was going to take 60 million dollars. In order to have the money they drafted Pace and BJ instead.

Wrong

 

[AzCards21]

Please unlighten us and tell me why the Cards didn't draft Leftwich. Who else should we blame for the draft fiasco? Graves has to take full responsibility, it was his baby.

You're wrong. The guy who is to blame is gone.

Pay attention. You have been told many times what happened last year so stop trying to hang Graves. If he had his way we would now be coached by a very highly regarded HC.

We're lucky to have Green right now. We need to move on and let the past be just that.

We could have been a year ahead of schedule if Graves had his choice.

 

[nidan]

Please unlighten us and tell me why the Cards didn't draft Leftwich. Who else should we blame for the draft fiasco? Graves has to take full responsibility, it was his baby.

No I won't enlighten you as the conversation was in confidence.

As for who else, hmmm... let me think, who else was around at the time ?

 

[azdad1978]

As for who else, hmmm... let me think, who else was around at the time ?

Mac???