It's becoming apparent, these players want Denny gone.

[Osbern61]

As vehemently as I hated the hiring from day 1, I can say I never expected things to get to this point so quick. I figured he would have some success, gets fans hopes sky high with playoff appearances where he would then dash them because he cannot close out big games...now it seems he cannot even close out midseason games either.

As desperate as I am, if you told me the next coach would do even this I would be doing cartwheels.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Then we freaking start over. Wow what a bunch of fricken babies. Its what has to be.

You think I don't understand that? I've been calling for Green's head for awhile now. Unlike you however, I grasp that firing Green will not be a great day in Cardinals history just as firing Mac was not inspite of him being just as brutal.

Firing Green tomorrow or whenever it occurs means half a roster that took three years and drafts to build will be gutted because the new coach will likely be different systemically. And yes, "core players" will be lost in this transition whether it be to them giving up or the team moving in another direction. Firing Green also means that Old Man Bidwill in all his genuis will be less likely to hand over the reigns to another GM/coach as it will have burned him twice. Firing Green means we have to start all over again from rock bottom, another process that at best means a couple years before the playoffs can even be thought about. So no, it will not be a great day.

 

[joeshmo]

Firing Green tomorrow or whenever it occurs means half a roster that took three years and drafts to build will be gutted because the new coach will likely be different systemically. And yes, "core players" will be lost in this transition whether it be to them giving up or the team moving in another direction.

Looking at this list would it really be that hard to cut half this team and not be any the worse, or find another FA, UDFA, or Draftee that could take their places without a drop off in talent. Greens talent evaluation and drafting is way overrated at this point in time.

Edge James
Larry Fitz
Berry Bertrand
Kurt Warner
Chiki Okeafer
Anquan Boldin
Oliver Ross
Adrian Wilson
Antrel Rolle
Matt Lienart
Milford Brown
Kendric Clancy
Reggie Wells
Calvin Pace
Neil Rackers
Bryant Johnson
Karlos Dansby
Deuce Lutui
JJ Arrington
Scott Player
Obafemi Ayan.
Brandon Gorin
Eric Green
Leonard Pope
Nathan Hodel
Daryl Blackstock
Elton Brown
Gabe Watson
Matt Ware
Brandon Johnson
Leron McCoy
Jonathan Lewis
A.J. Schable
Dockett, Darnell
Ferri, Diamond
Francisco, Aaron
Bergen, Adam
Cantu, Rolando
Robinson, Roger
Hunter, Darrell
Wyatt, Justin
Spurlock, Micheal
Bronson, John
Watkins, Todd
Holiday, Carlyle
Boyd, Shane
Tate, Robert
Macklin, David
Liwienski, Chris
Darling, James
Huff, Orlando
Griffith, Robert
Shipp, Marcel
Milligan, Hanik
Davis, Leonard
Wakefield, Fred
Walters, Troy
Keys, Isaac
Hayes, Gerald
Brewer, Jack
Stepanovich, Alex
Leckey, Nick
Smith, Antonio
Navarre, John

 

[ajcardfan]

You think I don't understand that? I've been calling for Green's head for awhile now. Unlike you however, I grasp that firing Green will not be a great day in Cardinals history just as firing Mac was not inspite of him being just as brutal.

Firing Green tomorrow or whenever it occurs means half a roster that took three years and drafts to build will be gutted because the new coach will likely be different systemically. And yes, "core players" will be lost in this transition whether it be to them giving up or the team moving in another direction. Firing Green also means that Old Man Bidwill in all his genuis will be less likely to hand over the reigns to another GM/coach as it will have burned him twice. Firing Green means we have to start all over again from rock bottom, another process that at best means a couple years before the playoffs can even be thought about. So no, it will not be a great day.

Yeah, and on top of all that, hiring new coaches sure has been great fix for our losing ways hasn't it?

 

[Shane]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. The Bidwills are due. You guys kill me with all this "its not a great day crap" granted its not a great day. But it certainly cant get any worse.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Looking at this list would it really be that hard to cut half this team and not be any the worse, or find another FA, UDFA, or Draftee that could take their places without a drop off in talent. Greens talent evaluation and drafting is way overrated at this point in time.

Edge James
Larry Fitz
Berry Bertrand
Kurt Warner
Chiki Okeafer
Anquan Boldin
Oliver Ross
Adrian Wilson
Antrel Rolle
Matt Lienart
Milford Brown
Kendric Clancy
Reggie Wells
Calvin Pace
Neil Rackers
Bryant Johnson
Karlos Dansby
Deuce Lutui
JJ Arrington
Scott Player
Obafemi Ayan.
Brandon Gorin
Eric Green
Leonard Pope
Nathan Hodel
Daryl Blackstock
Elton Brown
Gabe Watson
Matt Ware
Brandon Johnson
Leron McCoy
Jonathan Lewis
A.J. Schable
Dockett, Darnell
Ferri, Diamond
Francisco, Aaron
Bergen, Adam
Cantu, Rolando
Robinson, Roger
Hunter, Darrell
Wyatt, Justin
Spurlock, Micheal
Bronson, John
Watkins, Todd
Holiday, Carlyle
Boyd, Shane
Tate, Robert
Macklin, David
Liwienski, Chris
Darling, James
Huff, Orlando
Griffith, Robert
Shipp, Marcel
Milligan, Hanik
Davis, Leonard
Wakefield, Fred
Walters, Troy
Keys, Isaac
Hayes, Gerald
Brewer, Jack
Stepanovich, Alex
Leckey, Nick
Smith, Antonio
Navarre, John

I think if you look at alot of NFL rosters your going to see of guy you are are categorizing as easily replaced. I don't think that's necessarily the case.There's a few but most guys have been on NFL rosters before and will be after the leave here. You don't see guys like Ross K, Preston Parson, Chris Dishman and the likes scattered throughout this roster. Much less being counted on to play significant roles.

 

[PJ1]

Oddly enough, it hurts those of us who yelled the loudest more because we believe that, had the right guy been hired (whomever that may have been), that we would be excited as this team was making a playoff push because the decision-making would have been different so the outcome may have been the opposite of what it is now.

Being able to say "I told you so" is an empty feeling in this instance because it means a boatload of people...fans mostly...have had thei hearts torn out and the season ripped to shreds.

Actually it seems that saying "I told you so" is very important to some. Not sure why as we are all fans(I think) and our team has failed miserably this season.

 

[BigRedArk]

Actually it seems that saying "I told you so" is very important to some. Not sure why as we are all fans(I think) and our team has failed miserably this season.

I agree PJ. Who cares who was for or against his hiring at this point. What is the point in that? DG was hired, and it didn't matter because the Cards continue to lose. What matters is how can they (the Bidwill's) get this turned around and turn this team into at least an 8-8 team in the not too distant future.

 

[Shane]

I agree PJ. Who cares who was for or against his hiring at this point. What is the point in that? DG was hired, and it didn't matter because the Cards continue to lose. What matters is how can they (the Bidwill's) get this turned around and turn this team into at least an 8-8 team in the not too distant future.

You sure set your sights low.

 

[BigRedArk]

You sure set your sights low.

Maybe so but8-8 looks pretty good right now. You gotta crawl before you can walk i guess. Although in the NFL it is possible to turn around from a louse record and into a SB winner as per the Rams. It doesn't happen every day either. Cards have been down for so long that I would be ecstatic with 8-8.

 

[Rats]

You sure set your sights low.

I don't think 8-8 is low....I was hoping for that and then a great run next season so we could play the Super Bowl in front of a Home crowd. IMO the Bears game just sucked the life out of this team. There is no going back. What is done is done. I wanted a big name coach here after Coach Mac, Dennis Green wasn't my first choice (Jimmie Johnson) and he has failed miserably and as I said there is no getting around it. This team has quit and the staff will be replaced. If you can't win with this talent you do not belong in the NFL period. Back to the long and drawn out drawing board.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't think 8-8 is low....I was hoping for that and then a great run next season so we could play the Super Bowl in front of a Home crowd. IMO the Bears game just sucked the life out of this team. There is no going back. What is done is done. I wanted a big name coach here after Coach Mac, Dennis Green wasn't my first choice (Jimmie Johnson) and he has failed miserably and as I said there is no getting around it. This team has quit and the staff will be replaced. If you can't win with this talent you do not belong in the NFL period. Back to the long and drawn out drawing board.

The combination of the way they lost to the Rams and the Bears would beat down just about any team. Especially one with the history of the Cards.

Says a lot that both Cardinals sports teams got new stadiums this year and the baseball team wins a World series while the football team wins one game.

 

[Pariah]

You sure set your sights low.

8-8 is setting our sights low?

I had the team pegged for 7-9 this season.

We're currently 1-7 and in the midst of a 7 game losing streak.

We've proven time and again we cannot win on the road.

8-8 is setting our sights low? It'd be a friggin miracle to get us to 8-8.

 

[Shane]

8-8 is setting our sights low?

I had the team pegged for 7-9 this season.

We're currently 1-7 and in the midst of a 7 game losing streak.

We've proven time and again we cannot win on the road.

8-8 is setting our sights low? It'd be a friggin miracle to get us to 8-8.

With parity in the NFL and coaches showing all over the place that they can turn teams into winners in one year. Yea I think its low. If thats all you expect then you dont expect much IMO.

 

[AZCB34]

I don't think 8-8 is low....I was hoping for that and then a great run next season so we could play the Super Bowl in front of a Home crowd. IMO the Bears game just sucked the life out of this team. There is no going back. What is done is done. I wanted a big name coach here after Coach Mac, Dennis Green wasn't my first choice (Jimmie Johnson) and he has failed miserably and as I said there is no getting around it. This team has quit and the staff will be replaced. If you can't win with this talent you do not belong in the NFL period. Back to the long and drawn out drawing board.

It wasn't the Bears game that sucked the life out of this team. The last half of the Niners game started it and then the Rams game sucked the life out of this team. After that, they played pretty poor overall alot of times with not much energy or discipline. They gathered up every ounce of energy they had for the Bears game...that was a last gasp.

Now they have nothing left, they have given up on the coaches and, in some ways, they have given up on themselves.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. The Bidwills are due.

This is some solid reasoning. The defintion of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. For me that applies to those who think the Bidwills will somehow make the right decision this year when they have been making the wrong ones for the past fifty.

 

[bratwurst]

Blind squirrels don't find nuts. They die. Ask Darwin, he'd tell you.

The Bidwills, keeping evolution a theory since 1933.

 

[WildBB]

I don't think 8-8 is low....I was hoping for that and then a great run next season so we could play the Super Bowl in front of a Home crowd. IMO the Bears game just sucked the life out of this team. There is no going back. What is done is done. I wanted a big name coach here after Coach Mac, Dennis Green wasn't my first choice (Jimmie Johnson) and he has failed miserably and as I said there is no getting around it. This team has quit and the staff will be replaced. If you can't win with this talent you do not belong in the NFL period. Back to the long and drawn out drawing board.

This team IMO would have laid the egg against Oakland the following week anyway. They give me no reason to think anything different - they've consistently had ups only for the proverbial let down. That's been their only consistency here. No this is a poorly coached team with little chance to put W's up. They are not playing with ant real speed any more like in the first yr. where it was emphasized and preached to the D. I don't see them like that except for AW sometimes.

Too inconsistent on D. No real Consistent O or specail teams in this 3 yr. tenor. Time for change - yet again.

 

[WildBB]

It wasn't the Bears game that sucked the life out of this team. The last half of the Niners game started it and then the Rams game sucked the life out of this team. After that, they played pretty poor overall alot of times with not much energy or discipline. They gathered up every ounce of energy they had for the Bears game...that was a last gasp.

Now they have nothing left, they have given up on the coaches and, in some ways, they have given up on themselves.

A bad team will find all the excuses in the world. They were fortunate to be ahead in some of those games. They really were outplayed alot, the Rams game they were given a gift and squandered it, but they didn';t play well enough to win that game IMO.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Looking at this list would it really be that hard to cut half this team and not be any the worse, or find another FA, UDFA, or Draftee that could take their places without a drop off in talent. Greens talent evaluation and drafting is way overrated at this point in time.

I agree more than half of that list I could care less goes or stays or whatever. However, coaching changes usually end up in core players going also. Larry Fitzgerald for example is a core guy who might not be so enthused about seeing his godfather sent home packing. Same with Edge, who came here specifically because of the money and how Green coached. Regardless, you will see a lot of rookies on this team next year anyways as the coaching scheme will be different leading to another Top 10 pick. That's why it will not be a great day.