Jackson, Melton dumped

[Yuma]

Well, it just shows you teams don't value Warren. I don't either.

On a good team he might be usable as a spark off the bench - but the dude is so one dimensional.

Gambo said teams kept saying TJ had a 1990's NBA game. Whatever that meant.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yes I am.

Fultz gets his shot back - he is a likely all star.

Jackson at best will be a bench player forever, worst case he will be out of the league in a couple years.

That’s a lot of conjecture in both directions. JJ gets his head screwed in straight he could be a great player. Fultz hasn’t even shown he’s as “good” as JJ in the actual NBA yet.

 

[devilalum]

I think that’s the only reason to move JJ from a cap perspective.

But when I said not much left I was referring to SGs, not cap space.

You have an 8 or 9 man rotation. Its not like you need to be 2 deep at every position especially when you have multiple guys that can fill multiple roles. How many minutes do the Suns need out of a journeyman 2 guard?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I didnt.

I am on record that I thought he was the best player in the draft. To be fair though the players that went ahead of him and that were projected ahead of him haven't been much better.

 

[Cheesebeef]

How come this is literally the first I’m reading of the puking in practice drunk episode? I read every thread on here daily and I never recall reading that. Am I the only one?

today is literally the first time anyone said this, IIRC.

 

[95pro]

How come this is literally the first I’m reading of the puking in practice drunk episode? I read every thread on here daily and I never recall reading that. Am I the only one?

Triano sent him home and he was benched for a game.

 

[Proximo]

How come this is literally the first I’m reading of the puking in practice drunk episode? I read every thread on here daily and I never recall reading that. Am I the only one?

Gambo just talked about this incident for the first time like a week ago, mentioned it again today.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Jj couldn't create his own shot or truthfully shoot either. He was the master of the 1 on 5 break. He took horrid angles and turned it over constantly. We got better when he barely played

He was a million dollar athletic freak with a nickle head

Not true, he could actually handle the ball. But he was a terrible decision maker. And a subpar finisher given his physical talents.

 

[Phrazbit]

Well, it just shows you teams don't value Warren. I don't either.

On a good team he might be usable as a spark off the bench - but the dude is so one dimensional.

Or that we had bad timing.

There was no need for urgency in moving Warren. I agree, Warren is one dimensional and lineups that featured him struggled, however, he's better than most options left in free agency right now and he's on a really tame contract.

I certainly think we couldn't have done worse than we did in that trade, had we waited.

 

[Proximo]

Gambo said teams kept saying TJ had a 1990's NBA game. Whatever that meant.

It means he wants to score from midrange, and Iso. Not drive and kick. His inability or refusal to pass is his biggest negative at his position I think.

 

[Evil Ash]

I only just heard about it the other day when Gambo started talking about it. I'm guessing the team, at the time, swept (or mopped) it under the rug.

Yup talked about it today. Officially they said at the time that they were "trying new ideas to fix the 2nd unit"

 

[Hoop Head]

How come this is literally the first I’m reading of the puking in practice drunk episode? I read every thread on here daily and I never recall reading that. Am I the only one?

I heard it, I think. I'm not sure he was puking but he was too hungover to practice which is why he got the DNP under Triano that a lot people credited as "tough love" that helped turn his game around.

I could see something thinking he was puking when it was reported he was too hungover or still too drunk to practice but I'm not entirely sure it was said that he was puking though. This is something Gambo talked about maybe 2 weeks ago, right after the child custody case came out in the national news.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I didnt.

True you didn’t.

 

[Johninromania]

The Suns got better with both JJ and Warren off the roster. The Suns has trouble unloading them and had to pay to get rid of past mistakes. The core is talented and we have a legitimate point guard and legitimate coach finally. Think of this, we have upgraded both are PG and PF with legitimate NBA talent at both those positions. We have subtracted malcontents. This Roster is significantly improved over last season.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You have an 8 or 9 man rotation. Its not like you need to be 2 deep at every position especially when you have multiple guys that can fill multiple roles. How many minutes do the Suns need out of a journeyman 2 guard?

I don’t know. I’m not stumping to sign a sg.

 

[Yuma]

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[Proximo]

Or that we had bad timing.

There was no need for urgency in moving Warren. I agree, Warren is one dimensional and lineups that featured him struggled, however, he's better than most options left in free agency right now and he's on a really tame contract.

I certainly think we couldn't have done worse than we did in that trade, had we waited.

Well, I will agree with this - he should have been traded at the deadline, because I am positive he was out of the plans by then.

They just said on Gambo's show, the suns are the ones that offered the 32nd pick to move him and Indiana was shocked by the offer. If that is true that is really bad.

 

[Town Drunk]

The Grizzlies are trading Kyle Korver and Jevon Carter to the Suns for De'Anthony Melton, Josh Jackson, a 2020 second-round pick and a 2021 conditional second-round pick.
What are the Suns doing? Carter had a rough rookie season with the Grizzlies, especially on the offensive side. They also are stockpiling low-end backup point guards and continue to be one of the easiest targets to criticize around the NBA.

SOURCE: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter
Jul 3, 2019, 4:37 PM ET

 

[JCSunsfan]

It means he wants to score from midrange, and Iso. Not drive and kick. His inability or refusal to pass is his biggest negative at his position I think.

Nah. I do not know TJ for not passing, that was not his purpose. He was a high efficiency scorer, any pass he would have made would have just lowered the efficiency of the offense altogether. I have no gripes whatsoever about TJ's offense--even his three point shooting. I do not know if his improvement was sustainable, but it looks like it might be. His defense was not as bad as advertised either.

He just had star expectations without star ability, and we needed a PF. Mikal and Oubre are better options.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Grizzlies are trading Kyle Korver and Jevon Carter to the Suns for De'Anthony Melton, Josh Jackson, a 2020 second-round pick and a 2021 conditional second-round pick.
What are the Suns doing? Carter had a rough rookie season with the Grizzlies, especially on the offensive side. They also are stockpiling low-end backup point guards and continue to be one of the easiest targets to criticize around the NBA.

SOURCE: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter
Jul 3, 2019, 4:37 PM ET

They are moving on from Jackson and clearing the space to complete the Rubio signing.

 

[devilalum]

Well, I will agree with this - he should have been traded at the deadline, because I am positive he was out of the plans by then.

They just said on Gambo's show, the suns are the ones that offered the 32nd pick to move him and Indiana was shocked by the offer. If that is true that is really bad.

Oh all the crazy stories over the last month if true this is the worst and is embarrassing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well, I will agree with this - he should have been traded at the deadline, because I am positive he was out of the plans by then.

They just said on Gambo's show, the suns are the ones that offered the 32nd pick to move him and Indiana was shocked by the offer. If that is true that is really bad.

Jesus. Freaking ridiculous if true.

 

[Evil Ash]

Not true, he could actually handle the ball. But he was a terrible decision maker. And a subpar finisher given his physical talents.

Making good decisions is part of setting up your shot. Yes he could handle the ball but what good does that do if you can't read the defense?

He was a bad shooter, a below average defender and a horrid decision maker. So how does that show any value? Being a good athlete can only take you so far

 

[Cheesebeef]

The Grizzlies are trading Kyle Korver and Jevon Carter to the Suns for De'Anthony Melton, Josh Jackson, a 2020 second-round pick and a 2021 conditional second-round pick.
What are the Suns doing? Carter had a rough rookie season with the Grizzlies, especially on the offensive side. They also are stockpiling low-end backup point guards and continue to be one of the easiest targets to criticize around the NBA.

SOURCE: Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter
Jul 3, 2019, 4:37 PM ET

Woj is coming off as REALLY emotionally unstable lately...

 

[Cheesebeef]

so... can I ask a question to all those who are talking about adding shooting and culture to the team that will make them better? If those things are so important, why isn't the team keeping Korver, who's one of the best shooters of all time and has been part of title contending and title winning teams?