Jackson, Melton dumped

[devilalum]

I don’t know. I’m not stumping to sign a sg.

Jerome should be able to play some minutes at in this role with Rubio.

 

[Yuma]

so... can I ask a question to all those who are talking about adding shooting and culture to the team that will make them better? If those things are so important, why isn't the team keeping Korver, who's one of the best shooters of all time and has been part of title contending and title winning teams?

My guess is Korver at 38, doesn't meet our timeline of guys James Jones is building around, and Korver probably agreed to the trade if he is traded to a contender or is bought out so he can go to a contender.

 

[Johninromania]

Offseason additions that matter

Saric
Rubio
Byrnes

Trash that was dumped

Jackson
TJ

Suns got better hands down

 

[Phrazbit]

so... can I ask a question to all those who are talking about adding shooting and culture to the team that will make them better? If those things are so important, why isn't the team keeping Korver, who's one of the best shooters of all time and has been part of title contending and title winning teams?

If we're dumping Korver to sign a shooting guard... the dude better be obviously better than Korver or it's pretty confusing.

 

[Proximo]

so... can I ask a question to all those who are talking about adding shooting and culture to the team that will make them better? If those things are so important, why isn't the team keeping Korver, who's one of the best shooters of all time and has been part of title contending and title winning teams?

Korver's contract is only partially guarenteed - The only reason the suns are getting cap relief - which they need to sign rubio - is because they are waiving him.

 

[Yuma]

If we're dumping Korver to sign a shooting guard... the dude better be obviously better than Korver or it's pretty confusing.

Korver is a great shooter. Man last game I watched when he played, the other team immediately passed to whoever he picked up defensively. They actually got Korver to foul his way back to the bench in about 4 or 5 trips down the floor. LOL.

 

[Johninromania]

Also, we keep on forgetting we have a player in Ayton that with horrible utilization and coaching was well above a average center last year. This core has only upswing in it. I’m not sure what else the Suns could do to bring up the roster. DLO was never in play because the Suns front office consider him not a high character guy and not a max contract player.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Korver's contract is only partially guarenteed - The only reason the suns are getting cap relief - which they need to sign rubio - is because they are waiving him.

yet we're apparently still angling to get another SG, according to Gambo.

 

[SirStefan32]

so... can I ask a question to all those who are talking about adding shooting and culture to the team that will make them better? If those things are so important, why isn't the team keeping Korver, who's one of the best shooters of all time and has been part of title contending and title winning teams?

His contract is only partially guaranteed. They save some cash/ cap space. I am also guessing he is old and doesn't want to be on a rebuilding team.

 

[Yuma]

yet we're apparently still angling to get another SG, according to Gambo.

I am wondering if Jevon Carter, who is basically Melton with a better shot, is considered the 2 guard, or extra shooter Gambo was talking about. Maybe done until trade deadline?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

yet we're apparently still angling to get another SG, according to Gambo.

Probably one on the cheap to fit under the cap. That will simply be to add just a little more depth at a position that we don't have much depth at.

 

[Proximo]

yet we're apparently still angling to get another SG, according to Gambo.

Yeah, it does seem unnecessary to me, considering we have Tyler Johnson and Bridges that both will need minutes at the 2 guard.

I guess the thinking may be that Johnson is going to be traded at the deadline and they will need a 2 guard to take his place than.

But I think they are just talking about adding someone at the minimum.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I am wondering if Jevon Carter, who is basically Melton with a better shot, is considered the 2 guard, or extra shooter Gambo was talking about. Maybe done until trade deadline?

Seems plausible, but I doubt they aren't still looking at other possibilities.

 

[sdscard4]

Love it....out with that crap. Going to have a new team out there.

 

[Johninromania]

A player to watch the Suns make a trade for and have interest in, is Aaron Gordon, not saying he is coming here. the Suns have interest in him and if the opportunity arises the suns will pull the trigger to acquire him.

 

[Hoop Head]

Maybe they bring Crawford back as the backup SG? He'd be able to play there rather than manning the point, which would allow him to provide more of a scoring punch with less bad decisions.

 

[Yuma]

Maybe they bring Crawford back as the backup SG? He'd be able to play there rather than manning the point, which would allow him to provide more of a scoring punch with less bad decisions.

why not in LA? Play with all the other guys trying to win with Lebron.

 

[Krangodnzr]

been saying since the draft and early FA that this feels like 2003 Rod Graves "Has a Plan to build the belly of the team" off-season... right down to trading the 6th pick of both drafts, when there was a player of desperate need at the slot and trading back and ending the draft with two mediocre first round prospects.

Hope I'm wrong, but Jones hasn't just been giving assets or possible assets away... he's been paying teams to do so as well.

Ricky Rubio is better than Coby White.

Do the Suns really need more 19 year olds?

 

[Krangodnzr]

How come this is literally the first I’m reading of the puking in practice drunk episode? I read every thread on here daily and I never recall reading that. Am I the only one?

I heard about it.

 

[Johninromania]

Ricky Rubio is better than Coby White.

Do the Suns really need more 19 year olds?

Nope.... and I doubt they will be going that route anytime soon. Free Agency and Trades are they way they plan to make the next step. First rounders are in play with the Suns, there intrested I’m ready made talent that can contribute immediately.

 

[Proximo]

Ricky Rubio is better than Coby White.

Do the Suns really need more 19 year olds?

Well James Jones certainly seems to think we don't.

Personally I feel we need one more major young piece - and I doubt it is cam johnson, so I hope we keep and use our pick next year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is my take:

I don’t think we needed to clear $$$. If I’m right we were $14M under cap. If we moved Melton and okobo that got us to $17M. And from everyone on here it seems that okobo Is gone and Melton was traded for nothing, so getting rid of them wasn’t a problem for the team. So they have Enough for Rubio. Could go over cap to resign Oubre. And could use exception to sign kaminsky. So JJ’s contract didn’t need to be moved. If I’m wrong, someone point it out please.

Jones has depleted our war chest of assets. And he has largely done so at their lowest value possible. Selling both TJ and JJ at their respective lows is terrible business.

JJ definitely was a flawed player. And had a flawed character. He was also one of our only guys with really high potential upside. So while I think overall our roster is improved from last season, I think our ceiling has lowered considerably. Here’s my take on our upside:

Ayton - sky is the limit
Booker - somewhat limited (but he’s already a star). I know many will argue but he’s so young! But athletically I think he’s peaked. And when you talk about transcendent players they were physical freaks (MJ, Kobe, LeBron, magic (due to being a 6’9 PG not his athleticism), McGrady, Kawhi, Durant (again, almost 7 footer with amazing movement skills) in some fashion and booker doesn’t have that. Will he get more heady? Yes. Will he become transcendent, I’m dubious at best
Oubre - he could ascend. And he’s got substantial upside but Washington gave him away for peanuts, he remains a poor passer, and even in his brief flash with us he wasn’t dominant. He’s got potential but I’d guess at 50-50 whether he maxes it out
Bridges - potential likely limits him a terrific 3-D guy. His balkhandling or lack thereof and limited athleticism at an already older young guy gives him a ceiling
Rubio - likely at ceiling
Saric - likely at ceiling
Baynes - likely at ceiling
Kaminsky - likely bear ceiking
Cam - likely high floor, low ceiling player unless he really surprises and becomes the next Reggie Miller
Jerome - similar high floor (though not as high as Cam) low ceiling player
Tyler - likely better than last year but he has limited upside
Jevon - likely tops out at Derrick fisher

So while I agree it’s a better collection of nba players and more evenly balanced roster. And it will likely outperform last years team. There’s very little upside, or at least on an individual by individual basis other than Ayton there’s not a lot of individual upside. No others with star power if it could only be harnessed. Which also means the collection of our current “assets” also aren’t likely to appreciate in value for future trades.

And for all JJ’s faults I believe he still had that. And imo Monty may have been the perfect coach to coax that outta him.

And that’s why if Ayton doesn’t become a transcendent player I believe the current iteration of the suns taps out at mediocre unless they accidentally strike gold in a future draft like they did with booker. Which is something we can’t, and shouldn’t, rely upon.

Just my two cents.

Btw, my mental state is stable for those of you concerned.

 

[Johninromania]

Well James Jones certainly seems to think we don't.

Personally I feel we need one more major young piece - and I doubt it is cam johnson, so I hope we keep and use our pick next year.

Most likely that pick will be traded, Jones is under tremendous pressure to right the ship quickly.

 

[Yuma]

Well James Jones certainly seems to think we don't.

Personally I feel we need one more major young piece - and I doubt it is cam johnson, so I hope we keep and use our pick next year.

I am think young big at trade deadline, maybe.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ricky Rubio is better than Coby White.

Do the Suns really need more 19 year olds?

time will tell.

I still think this team is still one young player with a high ceiling who could be a star if it's ever going to really contend.