Jahidi White

[elindholm]

Okay, I've thought it over, and I am going to try to keep more of an open mind. White has had only one season when he got significant minutes, '00-'01. That year, he averaged 8.6 points (on 50% shooting), 7.7 rebounds, 1.6 blocks, and only 3.1 fouls in 23.7 minutes a game. That really isn't too bad at all. Maybe he just hasn't gotten a chance in Washington, since they are committed to Brown and (now) Etan Thomas and were derailed for two years by Jordan's desire to win immediately. White is 27 years old, so he should still have some spring in his step and future contracts to play for.

Who knows, maybe he will actually help. Certainly he isn't starting-caliber, but if he's not a complete embarrassment, he and Voskuhl could make a marginally competent center rotation.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I really don't know why everyone is so up in arms about this deal. This team ain't winning the championship this year - we all know that (although hope for the stars) - but this gives us a body that SHOULD put Googs broken ass body on the bench for good and when Scott Williams comes back will give us some decent size to throw off the bench - of course this is all predicated on health - but I actually think this could be a move that keeps us from getting killed on the boards every night, and at the worst keeps Googs away from the court - and what did we lose Brevin Knight and some cap flexibility? This team likely is two years away anyway folks - the sooner we all come to realize that the less frustrating certain moves will be.

 

[Chaplin]

So what happens if Cleveland miraculously make the playoffs? All of a sudden, we've got 2 draft picks in the first round (again) this summer.

How the hell are we going to pay 2 more draft picks? If we trade one, how are we going to pay whoever we bring in?

I guess looking at it in the long run, yesterday we would have not had Knight and Googs on the payroll next year. Now we just don't have Googs on the payroll. I can't seem to figure out where the good in this trade is, especially money-wise. And like Kuturovic, I'm not convinced that Jahidi White is a good fit for us.

 

[elindholm]

And like Kuturovic,

LOL, I'd already completely forgotten about him.

 

[CardsFan88]

Originally posted by Chaplin
So what happens if Cleveland miraculously make the playoffs? All of a sudden, we've got 2 draft picks in the first round (again) this summer.

How the hell are we going to pay 2 more draft picks? If we trade one, how are we going to pay whoever we bring in?

I guess looking at it in the long run, yesterday we would have not had Knight and Googs on the payroll next year. Now we just don't have Googs on the payroll. I can't seem to figure out where the good in this trade is, especially money-wise. And like Kuturovic, I'm not convinced that Jahidi White is a good fit for us.

I completely disagree. Last year when jahidi's name was bandied about, I was hoping, almost praying we got him.

We didn't, and we did AWESOME all things considered in the playoffs.

With jahidi we have improved big time...this is a trade that will seem one sided in a few years. I ALMOST guarentee it. which is a strong statement coming from me.

Did you like Bo outlaw?

Think better defender in terms of size (only..well at this point in career)....think MUCH better ball handler and shooter.

AND I like Outlaw.

 

[Chaplin]

If you had been around the last year, you know that I was one of the biggest, if not THE biggest proponent of Bo Outlaw, pre- and post-trade. In fact, BEFORE he was traded to the Suns I went on this board and actively said that we should trade for him.

Jahidi isn't the second coming, I hate to tell you. Do I prefer him over Brevin? Almost certainly. What bothers me the most is that we have another big center who isn't worth what he is being paid, and not only that, what he is being paid hinders our ability to do anything else.

But his contract IS better than Outlaw's, at least. We'll have to see how he does in a couple days. But there's gotta be some other reason why he's only played 4 freaking minutes this year. Rumor has it the Wizards coach hates him--maybe that's why. But then again, WHY would the coach hate him in the first place?

 

[JJ Slim]

Originally posted by CardsFan88
think MUCH better ball handler and shooter.

I'm not sure that's saying much.

 

[KANIDJA]

I like the trade. Jahidi can certainly help. Hell, with people we have at the center everybody can. Jake is doing a good starting job for a career back-up center. Jahidi gives us some meet inside and if he gets minutes he can play a little bit and keep some people away from the basket so we don't get killed every night.
I am not going to talk about the luxury tax because I am not the one that will pay it, nor am I the one that will get paid for worrying about that. Colangelos and their people have lot more inside and are much more skilled bthan we are, believe it or not, and they will worry about those issues. I think that jahidi can help.


I think that soeone mentioned Googs. I would not let that guy near the court. Not even to train with other guys. Cut him and absorb his salary and lots of people will be happy. Also, I think that FJ is a terrible coach. JJ was finallly getting comfortable and what FJ does? Takes him out. Penny did not even get a chance. Never tried to establish anything from inside, or tried to take it inside. Marion is a good player but I don't think he deserves max or that he will ever be a max type player. He still can't create his own shot. Amare slowly developing his shot and some moves around the basket, but not enough chances to show what he can do because of FJ.

Any thoughts?

 

[elindholm]

But his contract IS better than Outlaw's, at least.

Actually they are almost identical. The only difference is that Outlaw's pays him a little more this year, and White's pays him a little more next year. Both will get a little over $11 million over the next two seasons.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Does Jahadi have a chance to be better than any of our current centers this year?

I would say yes.

However, as eric pointed out, he hasn't seen consistant time like 3 years. We do not know what we have here. That is an expensive limb BC went out on.

Anyways, what makes you guys think he will even play? Judging by Franks rotations, I don't see how he can get major minutes unless for foul trouble. I bet he will play him the first 2 weeks. If he doesnt do amazingly well (which he shouldnt, since it is a completely different offense than washington runs, well we dont run an offense but anyways) he will go to the bench.

 

[green machine]

Well, the first trade seems pointless. But it sounds like if given a chance, this guy could maybe help us out. We need big guys so that we don't have to go with a Steph/Penny/JJ/Marion/Amare lineup.

adam

 

[CardsFan88]

Originally posted by Chaplin
If you had been around the last year, you know that I was one of the biggest, if not THE biggest proponent of Bo Outlaw, pre- and post-trade. In fact, BEFORE he was traded to the Suns I went on this board and actively said that we should trade for him.

Jahidi isn't the second coming, I hate to tell you. Do I prefer him over Brevin? Almost certainly. What bothers me the most is that we have another big center who isn't worth what he is being paid, and not only that, what he is being paid hinders our ability to do anything else.

But his contract IS better than Outlaw's, at least. We'll have to see how he does in a couple days. But there's gotta be some other reason why he's only played 4 freaking minutes this year. Rumor has it the Wizards coach hates him--maybe that's why. But then again, WHY would the coach hate him in the first place?

I've been around, not so much on the suns aspect of the board, but I've been following the SUNS regardless since before I was 10 (25 now)..(I obviously live in Px.) Also, I know he isn't the second coming....didn't I address that...but I think he is FAR better tha Suckalotis...who still has some limited potential if not injured, and anyone else we've had...he'll have an outlaw impact in a bigger body, and thus bigger presence. I remember him playing shaq well. C'mon, who do we have matchup problems against....The big centers....NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes they can have better players POTENTIALLY. But the only matchup problems we cannot overcome are at center. Even then we almost overcame, what happens when that gap is NARROW (BIGGEST POINT IN POST)....Good things potentially, decent things at least....(decent things is better than outlaw)...AND I LIKE OUTLAW....I hope we bring him back after his contract as a role player or a little more.

Seems always we are getting bruised inside because our guys are so athletic they are overcompensating like they should...except when everyone on the floor has to overcompensate.......

Jahidi is our bruiser....He's a notch above the average

For brevin knight.

ALONE IS GOOD.

For brevin knight (pg as strenght) vs. C-PF our weakness, and we get a beter C-PF then brevin is pg...its a great trade.

Its always harder to find a good big man......We got a good big man, for a good small man. Except our good (receiveing) is 5-10 percent bettern than their good (their receiving). And in the position considered, 10% better is 15 to 20 percent better than the rest.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Dont get cocky here. He is only 6'9, he is just as they say "wide". You know who else is considered "wide"? Robert Traylor.

I dont see how Outlaw and White's performances can even be compared. I highly doubt we will ever see White running the floor after an opponent fast break. They are different types of players.

You know who else played Shaq well? Big Jake gave him more trouble than 3/4 of the centers in this league.

I don't get the trade, but I am hoping it pans out. I tend to trust BC, but this is by far one of the more questionable moves yet.

 

[PhxGametime]

IMO the Outlaw/Tsakalidis trade was to free up playing time for Cabarkapa and cap space (at time of trade). Cabarkapa should improve as season goes on...

IMO the Knight trade was to free up playing time for Barbosa and White gives Suns banger and well he was 3rd in league in Reb/min 2001-02 year (don't Suns value per min stats?).

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Alright, I am going to go out on a large limb here. It is more of a small branch off of a limb.

Possibly the suns had this plan all along. Everyone knew they needed an upgrade at center. Tony Battie and Jahadi White were known to be available since the summer.

The only moveable asset they had was Outlaw, but no one was going to accept his contract for the guys they were looking at.

So, they get an appealing contract, but have to give away Big Jake. They had to have been pretty certain he wasn't their answer, especially not for this style of play, so no big deal.


So as soon as they get Knight, they start shopping him to teams with big mean looking for a PG and salary relief. The other teams wouldn't commit to a trade right away because they needed to see the current shape of the rest of their roster. Also Knight had to prove he was healthy enough to play this season.

So, the suns are forced to play the Knight aquisition as a salary move/backup guard in case a trade doesn't materialize. BC knows better than to say they are shopping him for a big man unless he knows he can deliver.

5 games into the season this is what happened.


So in theory, it is POSSIBLE, that it makes the first trade make more sense. They had to make that deal so they could make one for a bigger body. It was ingenius, and the only possible way to aquire a decent big body without disrupting our core.


I just talked BC up so much, I hope someone believed it

 

[newfan101]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
You know who else played Shaq well? Big Jake gave him more trouble than 3/4 of the centers in this league.

Jake may have played well against Shaq, but he was as close to useless as they get. In fact, he just got his 4th straight DNP - Coaches decision, despite playing 3 big teams in Houston, San Antonio, and Portland. I dont miss him at all.

However, I don't think White is that much of an upgrade, and now the best part of the previous move (the freeing up of salary) has been negated. Absolutely NO MLE next year after this trade.

If we'd done nothing, at least we'd have Bo's energy, which might have been more valuable to this team than ownership was willing to see. The Suns played cocky and uninspired tonight, something Bo, not White, could have changed.

 

[elindholm]

Jahidi is our bruiser....He's a notch above the average

Then how come the Wizards haven't played him in three years? The obsession with Kwame Brown can't be the only answer.

I think that White might be able to help the Suns, but to call him "above the average" is an enormous stretch.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Eric you have inspired me to be overly optimistic about this trade.

I stand by my "on a limb" theory till the end now.

Jahadi WILL work out, just like Michael Redd will

 

[elindholm]

I stand by my "on a limb" theory till the end now.

I'm flattered to have inspired you, but I see a big problem with your theory:

If the Suns had simply offered the Wizards Outlaw for White straight up, I think it's very likely they would have said yes. Which means, to me, that they didn't make such an offer -- which means that it was never their plan to go after a center as unappealing as White.

But hey, optimism can suit me fine too. Just look at Arenas tonight.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Na, I am sticking with the fact the wizards wanted the salary relief for next summer. So Outlaw wouldn't have helped them.

They didn't need another point guard. Gilbert and Hughes will take all the minutes behind the ball. It was a salary move for them, just like BC wanted us to believe it was for us!

 

[fordronken]

Has anyone picked up Jahidi White yet on the hoops league?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by JJ Slim
I'm not sure that's saying much.

and i gotta say, as someone who's followed jahidi since college, he has no ballhandling skills and his "shot" really consists of power dunks.

he's not being brought in here to play offense people. don't hope for that outta him and you won't be disappointed when he produces low offensive numbers and fumbles the ball.

instead, what the body he puts on people.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by elindholm


If the Suns had simply offered the Wizards Outlaw for White straight up, I think it's very likely they would have said yes.

Why?
They have enough bigmen.
IMO, WAS wanted cap space and they could find a team who was stupid enough to trade an expiring contract for Jahidi White.

 

[hcsilla]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Na, I am sticking with the fact the wizards wanted the salary relief for next summer. So Outlaw wouldn't have helped them.

They didn't need another point guard. Gilbert and Hughes will take all the minutes behind the ball. It was a salary move for them, just like BC wanted us to believe it was for us!

I didn't see your post.

I agree.
WAS does not need Knight as a player. They have also Blake and Dixon as backup PG's.

 

[hcsilla]

I'm jut wondering how will White fit to Suns' "skilled-lineup".......