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Jamal Adams traded to Shehags
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It's a bad move. Lots of draft capital for a player who's going to want a huge payday at a non premium position.
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It’s not as bad as it looks at first glance.
Two of the three picks they gave up are a part of what is pretty much guaranteed to be the biggest crapshoot draft in history after there’s no college football this season... on top of that, the next year’s (that they got an extra fourth in) draft should be stocked after college players are forced to stick around for another year.
Two of the three picks they gave up are a part of what is pretty much guaranteed to be the biggest crapshoot draft in history after there’s no college football this season... on top of that, the next year’s (that they got an extra fourth in) draft should be stocked after college players are forced to stick around for another year.
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Not that bad of a deal when you realize the Seahawks suck at drafting in the 1st round anyway.
You are all missing it...
there isn't going to be a college season and if there isn't then even if there is a draft, it will be a crap shoot.
The 2021 1st round draft pick is nothing. Zero. Nada. 2022 is also not guaranteed to happen. The 1918 pandemic lasted into 1920, this one could last into 2022.
In summary... it will probably be "a whole bunch of nothing" unless there is a 2020 college season and a 2020 NFL season.
there isn't going to be a college season and if there isn't then even if there is a draft, it will be a crap shoot.
The 2021 1st round draft pick is nothing. Zero. Nada. 2022 is also not guaranteed to happen. The 1918 pandemic lasted into 1920, this one could last into 2022.
In summary... it will probably be "a whole bunch of nothing" unless there is a 2020 college season and a 2020 NFL season.
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I didn't want Adams, because of the salary and the draft cost.
And I didn't want Adams going to an NFC West team.
And I didn't want Adams to get his wish and be traded to Dallas.
Two out of three, not bad. So why don't I feel better about the deal?
And I didn't want Adams going to an NFC West team.
And I didn't want Adams to get his wish and be traded to Dallas.
Two out of three, not bad. So why don't I feel better about the deal?
I kind of love this for the Cardinals. We play the Jets this year so this clearly weakens them this year. Long term this weakens Seattle when Murray should be hitting his prime.
I don't have much to add other than this strengthens the Seahawks run defense. that is all.lol
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Pretty sure some college conferences like the SEC are going to play. Even if that isn't the case if players are eligible for the draft they aren't going to waste a year of NFL pay just because their college didn't play.
The draft is a crapshoot always, yes there will be a little less info, but when half of first rounders bust already I don't think it will be much different than usual.
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I don't know.
Seattle is going to have nearly 60 million of cap space tied up between just wilson and Adams, with the cap about to drop next season by 20 million or more.
This is good news for the cards anyway you slice it.
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this is a very good move for SEA this year.
after that......i dont know. As Football Outsiders said:
giving up 2 #1s for an outstanding player isn't a problem. Paying a giant contract for an outstanding player isn't a problem. Doing both is a problem.
I think this move + their first round pick this year says that this is Bobby Wagner's last year in SEA (and KJ Wright too, this is the last year of his contract). Jordyn Brooks better work.
the NFL is a year to year league -- especially when your SB window is open.
I just think that SEA could have spent the its 2021 #1 and acquired Trent Williams, and at least had two good OTs to form the basis of their line.
that would scare me more.
after that......i dont know. As Football Outsiders said:
giving up 2 #1s for an outstanding player isn't a problem. Paying a giant contract for an outstanding player isn't a problem. Doing both is a problem.
I think this move + their first round pick this year says that this is Bobby Wagner's last year in SEA (and KJ Wright too, this is the last year of his contract). Jordyn Brooks better work.
the NFL is a year to year league -- especially when your SB window is open.
I just think that SEA could have spent the its 2021 #1 and acquired Trent Williams, and at least had two good OTs to form the basis of their line.
that would scare me more.
There will be a college season. It may be only 60-70 teams, but it will be a season. Hell, Notre Dame just joined the ACC for the season so they can play. Close to 4000 players will play about 10 games.
If I were a betting man, the College Football Championship could be one for the first games with fans.
Seattle knows how much an elite safety matters.
I still wouldnt give up that much but I am glad they did. Better than them getting him for a 2nd and a backup RB.
I still wouldnt give up that much but I am glad they did. Better than them getting him for a 2nd and a backup RB.
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The feeling in the Bay Area is they did it to prepare for both the 49ers and Cards. When they play the 49ers, he can cover Kittle, when they play us, he can shadow Kyler Murray seems to be the idea. I also suspect there was an element of making sure SF didn't get Adams since they were apparently interested.
They gave up a ton to get him, in the short term it makes sense they have an elite QB and he makes their defense much better, but I'm not expecting a full season this year anyways and then the lack of first round picks will start to be a factor.
In theory it could win them the division this year if the matchup works the way they think it will
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Also remember Bobby Wagner is getting hella paid right now. He may be a casualty in a year or so.
2021 - 17mm cap hit. 7.5mm in dead money
2022 - 20mm cap hit. 3.5mm in dead money
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A couple things...
The ASeahawks have been paying KJ Wright 10 mil per year. We will be off the books next year. There is 10 mil of Adams cost. They also have 60 mil in space next year...even if that is halved, they are fine.
Did they give up a lot...yes.
Would I have done it...probably not.
But the Seahawks work in the world that you can't guarantee anything for two years down the road. They only have 1 FA next year that they will likely want back. This was a calculated move for sure. And remember, in sports, aggressive normally wins.
The ASeahawks have been paying KJ Wright 10 mil per year. We will be off the books next year. There is 10 mil of Adams cost. They also have 60 mil in space next year...even if that is halved, they are fine.
Did they give up a lot...yes.
Would I have done it...probably not.
But the Seahawks work in the world that you can't guarantee anything for two years down the road. They only have 1 FA next year that they will likely want back. This was a calculated move for sure. And remember, in sports, aggressive normally wins.
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Not sure if this is a proper comparison, but Seattle reminds me of the Rams. The Rams went to (or near) the top of the NFL by acquiring a lot of top draft picks. And now they seem to be dropping as they trade away picks for high priced players.
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With the cap dropping (most likely) over the next two to four years, And going for it in a year like this when everything could blow up with one or two positive tests..... seems foolish.
This is probably going to cost them not only KJ Wright in 2021 but also Bobby Wagner in 2022 when Adams's 5th year option runs out. Bobby will have a 20mm cap hit and only 3.5mm in dead money. And I don't think LBers will be taking a hometown discount with their life expectancy.
edit..... It probably also cost them any hope of bringing Clowney back on anything but a 1yr deal as well. And probably not at all.
This is probably going to cost them not only KJ Wright in 2021 but also Bobby Wagner in 2022 when Adams's 5th year option runs out. Bobby will have a 20mm cap hit and only 3.5mm in dead money. And I don't think LBers will be taking a hometown discount with their life expectancy.
edit..... It probably also cost them any hope of bringing Clowney back on anything but a 1yr deal as well. And probably not at all.
Tom Pelissero
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Before the #Seahawks finalized their blockbuster trade for safety Jamal Adams, the sides agreed he’d play 2020 on his existing rookie contract, per source. So Adams will make about $3.59 million this season in Seattle and no promises thereafter. He’s due $9.86M in 2021.
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Before the #Seahawks finalized their blockbuster trade for safety Jamal Adams, the sides agreed he’d play 2020 on his existing rookie contract, per source. So Adams will make about $3.59 million this season in Seattle and no promises thereafter. He’s due $9.86M in 2021.
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i guess its interesting to give up so much for a guy and not have an extension agreed upon..
tends to put pressure on the FO to re-sign him no matter what..
that being said, if the SEA FO is cold hearted about this --- this year is cheap, the fifth year option at ~$10mm, and then a year of franchise -- which for a safety isnt bad.
but cold hearted may get you the same behavior out of Adams that the Jets got starting next offseason.
tends to put pressure on the FO to re-sign him no matter what..
that being said, if the SEA FO is cold hearted about this --- this year is cheap, the fifth year option at ~$10mm, and then a year of franchise -- which for a safety isnt bad.
but cold hearted may get you the same behavior out of Adams that the Jets got starting next offseason.
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Wow that is brutal. Worse than the Cards.
