James Jones traded?

[SunsTzu]

Maybe I explained it wrong.

If the suns send James Jones to Portland for a TE, the suns do get the TE, but they can not use it for another player. That is the end of the TE.

It sounded like people were saying that we were going to have a TE to get other players.

No the Suns are allowed to use the TE they get from Jones, but again that almost never happens.

 

[SunsTzu]

Could the future considerations be a PG if the trade with NY goes through?

Future considerations means Suns are not getting anything. It is probably something along the lines of the rights to switch 2nd round picks years from now.

 

[RedStorm]

Future considerations means Suns are not getting anything. It is probably something along the lines of the rights to switch 2nd round picks years from now.

Future Considerations is the same thing that you and I pull when a bill collector calls you on the phone and you tell them that you are in the middle of something and you will call them right back....Really....I'll call you back...

 

[HooverDam]

Obviously we all know the trade went down, but I also just got an email back from Coro saying that it happened. Here's what he said if anyone's interested:

It indeed is true. I hadn't heard about it last night but did this morning.
It's all part of reducing the luxury tax.
There is an article on azcentral. Not too many details because the trade is
not official yet.

Paul

 

[Cheesebeef]

i really don't have a problem with this trade as long as we keep KT and sign Grant Hill, but I'm dubious of BOTH of those things and yes, BOTH of those things NEED to happen for us to have a shot of beating SA next year.

 

[Rab]

Wow, does anyone else feel like we're getting kicked in the nuts day after day?

Now Jones is part of this deal for "future considerations". Ouch. I hate this.

 

[Chaplin]

James Jones was a waste. He was a shooter who couldn't shoot and could marginally play decent defense. Since nobody was going to take Marcus Banks, James Jones was a good alternative. I wish we would have gotten a little more for him, but come on. It's JAMES freaking JONES.

 

[azirish]

James Jones was a waste. He was a shooter who couldn't shoot and could marginally play decent defense. Since nobody was going to take Marcus Banks, James Jones was a good alternative. I wish we would have gotten a little more for him, but come on. It's JAMES freaking JONES.

As I said in another thread, if the Suns get Hill, then Jones drops out of the eight man rotation. Since Jones is mostly a defensive specialist (6 ppg during the regular season suggests that) who hits some three pointers, it is reasonable to assume Tucker could fill some of his more limited role. Also, Tucker looks to be a bigger factor on the break and more aggressive on perimeter defense.

In the age of LT, it is not whether a player has talent but whether he's worth the money to the team. We don't have to torch Jones to figure he's not worth the $2.9 million salary and $2.9 LT if he's not in the rotation.

 

[Joe Mama]

i really don't have a problem with this trade as long as we keep KT and sign Grant Hill, but I'm dubious of BOTH of those things and yes, BOTH of those things NEED to happen for us to have a shot of beating SA next year.

I agree... kind of. I do think it's possible to get rid of Kurt Thomas and compete with San Antonio, but they've got to get someone to replace him. Right now the only person I can think of (he might even be a bigger help) would be PJ Brown.

The nice thing about both Grant Hill and P.J. Brown is that they likely will be looking for very short contracts. The Phoenix Suns could probably get both of them in here and still save money with the salary they would remove by trading James Jones and Kurt Thomas.

I also think both of them would really like it here.

James Jones was a waste. He was a shooter who couldn't shoot and could marginally play decent defense. Since nobody was going to take Marcus Banks, James Jones was a good alternative. I wish we would have gotten a little more for him, but come on. It's JAMES freaking JONES.

I'm not sure I would say James Jones was a waste. I just have no problem with them trading him to unload his salary. I also think it's laughable that everyone seems to think that teams were beating down the door to get James Jones and willing to give up draft picks to do it. Some people here actually believe that we could have easily unloaded Marcus Banks.

People, this time of year when everybody is looking to unload these type of players to get some flexibility (I know I'll take a lot of crap for using that word) for the rest of the summer.

Joe Mama

 

[elindholm]

Didn't everyone, including D'Antoni, say that the Suns needed to get deeper next year? Is it realistic to count on a rotation of nine players, ALL of whom are better than James Jones? Of course not.

You can't have nine stars on your roster, especially if you aren't willing to pay luxury tax and some of the stars you already have are badly overpaid. How, pray tell, is the rotation going to get filled out if guys like James Jones aren't good enough to make the cut?

 

[CHAPTER 7]

I'm sorry guys. I cannot read all the posts on this thread at work. Did we get rid of Jr?

 

[SunsTzu]

I'm sorry guys. I cannot read all the posts on this thread at work. Did we get rid of Jr?

Yes but it won't be official until the NY/Blazer deal goes through.

 

[CHAPTER 7]

Yes but it won't be official until the NY/Blazer deal goes through.

Thanks SunsTzu! One more thing. Are we getting someone in return?

 

[SunsTzu]

Thanks SunsTzu! One more thing. Are we getting someone in return?

No

 

[Evil Ash]

Thanks SunsTzu! One more thing. Are we getting someone in return?

As of now what we get in return is "future considerations." Whatever that means

 

[CHAPTER 7]

No

Thanks again and I am going back to work depressed...Wow, team is getting better! Sigh...

 

[carey]

James Jones was a waste. He was a shooter who couldn't shoot and could marginally play decent defense. Since nobody was going to take Marcus Banks, James Jones was a good alternative. I wish we would have gotten a little more for him, but come on. It's JAMES freaking JONES.

100% agree here. I used to cringe when I saw him instead of KT in the starting line up. He's a really nice guy, and I wish him luck in Portland.

 

[azirish]

Thanks SunsTzu! One more thing. Are we getting someone in return?

Cap relief. Jones was scheduled to make $2.9 million which would include the $2.9 million in luxury tax. Add that savings and the $6 million cash from the sale of Jones related pick sale and the Suns have some money for free agency.

 

[az1965]

I won't lose any sleep over losing Jr. but we better have strong plans to replace him with someone who can be solid off the bench and I really hope it is Hill.

 

[CHAPTER 7]

Thank you for the quick up to date everyone!

 

[dodie53]

jones is gone, for cash?
ok..

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cap relief. Jones was scheduled to make $2.9 million which would include the $2.9 million in luxury tax.

so, I guess by this logic, Shawn Marion costs 34million in luxury tax. It's not as simple as the above. the tax is a sum of it's parts. everyone's contributing to us being over it.

 

[azirish]

so, I guess by this logic, Shawn Marion costs 34million in luxury tax. It's not as simple as the above. the tax is a sum of it's parts. everyone's contributing to us being over it.

If you traded Marion for expiring contracts, then that is exactly what the Suns would receive. But of course you would only get to save $16 million a year from now.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Cap relief. Jones was scheduled to make $2.9 million which would include the $2.9 million in luxury tax. Add that savings and the $6 million cash from the sale of Jones related pick sale and the Suns have some money for free agency.

So let me understand this fuzzy math.. By trading Jones they Suns have essentially freed up $12mil (2.9+2.9+6) to use for FA's???

Yer kidding right, or is my math wrong?

First off, if the deal is for cash the then Suns should get approx $3mil from the Blazers. That doesn't mean it goes towards the FA pool. The Suns are over the tax and it goes towards paying that bill first.

If the deal is for a TE (created from the NY trade) then the TE should be in the range of $3-4mil. Given the Suns history and now that they're going to be over the tax they likely won't use it. TE's are good for one year. TE's can also be split up - that's how the Suns got JJ in the first place.

However, if they choose to use it then they can use it to make up the diff of a higher priced player. Example, the Suns want playerX who makes $7.5mill, but the Suns don't have anyone in that range (hypothetically). If the team trading playerX wanted to take Banks the Suns could use the TE to fill the gap.

The Suns will sign their draft picks and try to sign one vet at the minimum. After that they might need one more scrub for a minimum contract to fill the roster. This would probably put them around $6mil over the cap, creating an extra $6mil to be paid to the league.

Then come trading deadline, Sarver may want to dump more salary to avoid the tax. This will likely involve KT, Diaw or Banks and the ATL pick, thus depleting the rotation even more.

Unless they can conjure up a spectacular trade or Marion opts out next summer, the Suns are S.O.L for the next two years when it comes to salaries.

 

[cly2tw]

However, if they choose to use it then they can use it to make up the diff of a higher priced player. Example, the Suns want playerX who makes $7.5mill, but the Suns don't have anyone in that range (hypothetically). If the team trading playerX wanted to take Banks the Suns could use the TE to fill the gap.



Then come trading deadline, Sarver may want to dump more salary to avoid the tax. This will likely involve KT, Diaw or Banks and the ATL pick, thus depleting the rotation even more.

Unless they can conjure up a spectacular trade or Marion opts out next summer, the Suns are S.O.L for the next two years when it comes to salaries.

Mutually beneficial trade if KG stays in Minn: Marion for Pietrus sign and trade + GS's 11mil TE. Talently wise, it's a certain down grade, but we could then sign more useful FAs and would need to deplete the depth at trading deadline to do the evitable.