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NBA Draft: Howard's No. 1
By Chad Ford
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First for the good news. There will be no Dwight Howard watch this season. No endless replays of him dunking over scared, skinny 6-foot-4 kids. No talk of him signing a $100 million deal with Nike. No Hummer scandal. No Michael Jordan comparisons. Chances are, you'll never see him play before a highlight reel rolls on draft night.

Now for the tough love. Howard, a 6-foot-11, 255-pound, 18-year-old power forward from Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy (SACA), will not save the NBA. He will not average 19.9 ppg during his first few months in the league. He may not even be the top candidate for the NBA Rookie of the Year.

Finally, the hating. His game resembles Kwame Brown's more than LeBron's.

However, if things continue as they have, he will be the first player to hear his name called at the 2004 NBA Draft on June 24. Ladies and gentleman, we give you the consensus top NBA prospect in the country.

Is he the next Tim Duncan as one scout claims? Is he the next Kevin Garnett as another gushes? Or is he the second coming of Kwame, as a third scout warns in hushed tones?

The comparisons to the only other high school big man to be taken No. 1 are obvious. Like Brown, Howard is an athletic freak for his size. He runs the floor like a guard, can jump out of the gym, shoot from the perimeter, handle the ball in traffic and packs enough meat on his bones to pass for a guy five years older.

He has dominated at the Adidas ABDC camp and won top honors at the Player's Association Top 100 Camp in Richmond, Va., this summer. His AAU team, the Atlanta Celtics, is the most talented in years, with three legit NBA prospects. This season, Howard is averaging around 27 points, 18 rebounds and 8 blocks.

And like Brown, he comes from a little school in Georgia. He's polite. He comes from a big family. He's humble, even soft spoken, and, some claim, just a little bit soft.

"You're not going to find a better person that's in the same position he's in," SACA coach Courtney Brooks says. "He's very humble. He's a kid. He has a little boy smile about him and a peace that's God sent."

You're not helping, Coach. Three years ago scouts were convinced Brown had the skills to become a new breed of multi-skilled athletic power forward in the NBA. America's answer to Dirk Nowitzki, if you will. After seeing him flounder in Washington for three years, you think a scouting report like that would be the kiss of death.

You'd be wrong. Comparisons to Brown won't stop Howard from going No. 1. Scouts believe he's mentally tougher and has more heart than Brown and, in the right situation, could turn into the dominant player many thought Brown would be.

That's why the reports from NBA scouts all appear to agree he's the best prospect in the draft. At his size, he can do just a little bit of everything. He dominates in the paint but also has the ability to step out and hit shots on the perimeter. His ball handling is so good, he often handles for his team in the fourth quarter. He's murder on the fast break. He's quick off the dribble and off the floor. He's not afraid to crash the glass and is an excellent shot blocker. He hustles, has a nose for the ball and always seems to be in the right place at the right time. He's mature, a hard worker, has a great attitude and has improved dramatically over the course of his three years playing high school ball.

On paper, at least, he's the perfect prospect.

One scout asked about the weaknesses in Howard's game gave this stunning response: "I'm still looking. He's almost too good to be true. You hate to claim that a guy might be too nice for the NBA, but that's about the most that I can come up with. I'm not sure he really has the edge that the great ones like Garnett and [Amare] Stoudemire had. He's going to take longer to adjust than LeBron, because he still needs to learn the game, but he's got the chance to be a really great player."

Every other scouting report is pretty similar. Comments like "he needs time to develop" or "he needs to be a little nastier" are about the only negative things you hear.

Emeka Okafor might have more experience. Several international players are taller and have more big-time playing experience. But no one eligible for this year's draft has the package Howard does, which is why he's mentioned, now almost unanimously, as the likely No. 1 pick.

Howard, despite his perceived humility, doesn't disagree. Not only does he think he's ready, he believes he could be better than LeBron.

"If I go pro, I'm thinking I'm going in there to dominate right away," Howard told USA Today a few weeks ago, "What I want to do is ... show everybody LeBron just set a standard for high schoolers that we can play basketball with the big boys ... I think I can surpass LeBron."

Howard isn't alone. Scouts generally agree the high school Class of 2004 is the strongest since the class of 2001 that featured Brown, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry and DeSagana Diop in the top eight. Scouts believe as many as four high school seniors could crack the lottery this year, and two or three more could end up in the first round -- a record for high school draft entrants.

Clearly, that backlash scouts predicted after Kwame and Co. struggled in year one hasn't materialized.

Here's a quick look at five other high school seniors whom scouts are watching this season.

Josh Smith, SG/SF, Oak Hill Academy
The facts: 6-8, 200
The skinny: Think Darius Miles with a jump shot. That's the rep Smith has going into the draft and why most scouts claim he'll be a top-10 selection if he comes out. Before you get too excited (Miles went No. 3), the comparison evokes both the good and the bad. Smith is a top-notch athlete and has guard skills for his size. He jumps out of the gym and can run all day. Unlike Miles, he's a pretty proficient shooter, though he still needs to improve on his 3-point range. The problems, however, are also there. He's rail thin, and scouts wonder how he'll handle the rigors of the NBA. He sometimes shrinks in the paint and isn't the rebounder scouts think he should be for his size. He relies on his athleticism too much at times and still is learning the game. He doesn't have any real go-to moves and sometimes hesitates to take his man off the dribble. His ball-handling needs improvement if he's going to make the transition to the three in the pros. Even with all those holes, scouts still think he's a lottery prospect, though some say mid-first round is more realistic.

Shaun Livingston, PG, Peoria, Illinois
The facts: 6-7, 180
The skinny: When the best point guard in the country also happens to be 6-foot-7, talk of making a jump to the NBA is inevitable. The thing about Livingston is that, despite his size, he's a pure point guard with amazing court vision and a real flair to his game. He snuck down to Hoops Gym in Chicago this summer to play with several NBA players, and word was he more than held his own. While fans will love his artistry with the basketball, scouts adore that he plays that way without being prone to turnovers. Think Jalen Rose without the selfishness. Livingston has committed to Duke, but sources claim he'll come out if he's projected to go in the lottery. Right now scouts have him right on the fence, but a strong workout or two could easily get him in.

Robert Swift, C, Bakersfield
The facts: 7-1, 240
The skinny: Swift already is earning a rep as possibly the best American center in the draft. He's quick, relatively athletic and knows how to score and rebound in the paint. He has great hands and footwork for someone his age, plays aggressively and, believe it or not, is a decent passer from the post. While scouts know he's going to have to bulk up to play heavy minutes in the pros, almost all of them believe he has the talent to go in the late lottery right now. Some scouts believe he is the second-best high school prospect. The fact that academic issues may keep him from keeping a verbal commitment to USC also will factor into his decision to turn pro.

Al Jefferson, PF, Prentis High, Mississippi
The facts: 6-9, 270
The skinny: Jefferson is perhaps the strongest high school player in the country, and many believe he's the best pure low-post player in his class. Jefferson is a man child, with an NBA body and NBA athleticism. He's a fierce worker in the paint, drawing comparisons to Amare Stoudemire. He has soft hands for his size and has a surprising mid-range jumper that he's been improving over the past year. Scouts worry about his conditioning a bit, and about his position. Weight has been an issue, with most scouts feeling he could stand to lose 10 to 20 pounds. He plays center in high school, but at 6-foot-9 will have to make the transition to power forward in the pros. While scouts think Jefferson is a good athlete, his size limits his quickness and explosiveness. Originally scouts felt Jefferson would enter the draft as long as he was projected to be a first-round pick. However, he has made some recent statements that indicate he may honor a commitment to Arkansas if he isn't projected to go in the lottery. That may be a stretch, given the other talented prospects ahead of him.

LaMarcus Aldridge, PF, Seagoville, Texas
The facts: 6-11, 225
The skinny: Aldridge has made drastic improvements over the past year, leading NBA scouts to take a second look at the big kid from Texas. Once considered just a low-post guy, Aldridge worked hard over to improve his outside shooting and ball handling. He has succeeded to the point that many scouts feel he could end up playing some three in the league.
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Thursday, January 8
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Houston Rockets: Yao Ming may not be able to get much taller. But he can get a bit meaner. "He just needs to become more aggressive," said Patrick Ewing in the New York Times. "Right now, he's too gentle. He's like a gentle giant. He's got to be more physical and aggressive. Instead of waiting, he needs to just take it. Show his dominance. Use his size, and just take it." But at least one unnamed official wondered if that was even possible. "If he ever gets a mean streak in him, look out," said an Eastern Conference official who spoke on condition of anonymity. "But his culture and his background might not allow that. If he can get that, wow! If he gets that mean streak, he's fighting Shaq in there."



MaggetteLos Angeles Clippers: Head coach Mike Dunleavy is sorry that Corey Maggette received a two-game suspension for his altercation with Net forward Kenyon Martin. But is he sorry that Maggette got in the altercation in the first place? "No, hell no," Dunleavy said in the Philadelphia Daily News. "I think the rule is one that needs to be reviewed. [Maggette] can't not go back at Martin. As much as I don't want to lose a player, I couldn't tell a guy to do something I wouldn't do. If he fired at me like that, I would've done the same thing. It might not be the right thing to do...If he gets you and [you don't respond], you've got every other guy in the league looking maybe to take a shot at you. [Maggette] said, 'I feel bad, I'm letting you down.' I said I was surprised it was two games. I understand what happened. I'm certainly not holding it against him."
Detroit Pistons: The second pick of the latest draft has finally found a role with his new team. "I worry about Darko," Larry Brown said in the Detroit Free Press. "Sometimes they're not all Carmelo (Anthony), or LeBron (James) or Kevin Garnett. It's tough for me. I'll give you an example: Throughout my career, late in a game, if we got a lead or were down, I've always taken a rookie and put him in the game -- 20 seconds, 30 seconds -- so Allen Iverson or David Thompson or Eric Snow get a hand. We're up six points with a minute to go and you know the game isn't over, but people are yelling, 'Put in Darko.' I put in Darko the other night to get Ben (Wallace) a hand, because he's the only rookie on my bench. I try to get him in with 1:30 left, and he took so long to take his stuff off I was going to pull him back. But because I wanted to get Ben a hand, and the way he reacted, I put him in. I know people thought I was trying to embarrass him." And of that wasn't enough, Brown made it even clearer. "Especially with the success Carmelo has had, and LeBron has had, and Wade and Ford and Bosh. Even if we were a lottery team and he was playing, he wouldn't have the success these guys are having. That's not a knock on him. It's simply because he's a lot younger. . . . He didn't play a lot in Europe. He didn't play a lot of minutes for his team. That's what people don't understand -- is that he wasn't in the elite European League, either."



BarryDenver Nuggets: The doctors said Jon Barry would be out until Feb. 10 because of shoulder surgery, but he obviously didn't want to hear it. "I don't think so, but I've got to get clearance. As soon as I get clearance. ... It feels great. I have not had the pain that I had for two months," he said in the Denver Post. "I don't know how fast. ... But the way I feel now, it won't be six weeks, barring any setbacks. The team has been struggling a little bit, and I want to get out there and help. Obviously, we're continuing to win. And that hurts, too, sitting to watch when things go well."

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Originally posted by sunsfn

Josh Smith, SG/SF, Oak Hill Academy
The facts: 6-8, 200
The skinny: Think Darius Miles with a jump shot. That's the rep Smith has going into the draft and why most scouts claim he'll be a top-10 selection if he comes out. Before you get too excited (Miles went No. 3), the comparison evokes both the good and the bad. Smith is a top-notch athlete and has guard skills for his size. He jumps out of the gym and can run all day. Unlike Miles, he's a pretty proficient shooter, though he still needs to improve on his 3-point range. The problems, however, are also there. He's rail thin, and scouts wonder how he'll handle the rigors of the NBA. He sometimes shrinks in the paint and isn't the rebounder scouts think he should be for his size. He relies on his athleticism too much at times and still is learning the game. He doesn't have any real go-to moves and sometimes hesitates to take his man off the dribble. His ball-handling needs improvement if he's going to make the transition to the three in the pros. Even with all those holes, scouts still think he's a lottery prospect, though some say mid-first round is more realistic.
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the more i read about Josh Smith the more i am intrigued by him.
 
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I really hope the suns do not trade away their pick or the Knicks pick to get rid of someones salary.

There is a chance at a top 3 pick with one of them in the lottery, and if not a top 3, there is an excellent chance they get a very good player with both picks.

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Originally posted by sunsfn
I really hope the suns do not trade away their pick or the Knicks pick to get rid of someones salary.

There is a chance at a top 3 pick with one of them in the lottery, and if not a top 3, there is an excellent chance they get a very good player with both picks.

:thumbup:

If they do, it will be for cap reasons. The rookie salary structure for top picks is high enough that taking two would almost eliminate a chance of going for high end FA this year.

It's like that joke, "Let's face it. You can't have it all. Where would you put it?" :D
 
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Fordronkon said,
Does anyone else feel like we don't need another high schooler?
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I agree with you on the high school player.

I was also thinking we did not need any more foriegn players that are 18 and will take 2-3 years to play.
Here is the first 13 at NBA draft as of today.
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2 high schoolers,
6 foriegn players, (notice age)
5 college players, 3 freshman, 2 sophomore, 3 juniors.


The top 3 are two high schoolers and one foriegn player.

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*1.
Orlando Dwight Howard 6-10 225 PF Atlanta GA HSSr.
*2.
Atlanta Pavel Podkolzine 7-5 303 C (Russia) 1985
*3.
*Washington
Josh Smith 6-8 210 SF Smyrna, GA HSSr.
4.
Charlotte Luol Deng 6-8 220 SF Duke Fr.
5.
*Chicago
Emeka Okafor 6-9 240 PF UConn Jr.
6.
*Cleveland
Tiago Splitter 7-0 236 PF (Brazil) 1985
7.
*Phoenix
Ben Gordon 6-2 185 PG UConn Jr.
8.
*New York
Hakim Warrick 6-8 205 SF/PF Syracuse Jr.
9.
Miami
Andris Biedrins 6-11 240 PF/C (Latvia) 1986
10.
Golden State
Kosta Perovic 7-2 240 C (Serbia-Montenegro) 1985
11.
*LA Clippers
Antoine Wright 6-7 195 SG/SF Texas A&M So.
12.
*Philadalphia
Sergei Monya 6-8 230 SG/SF (Russia) 1983
13.
Portland Ivan Chiriaev 7-1 235 SG/SF (Russia) 1984



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Rather a highschool kid than another foreign kid in my opinion.

We already loaded up of foreign players and I suspect there is a good chance that Vujanic and Divac join the team in the summer which gives us:

Zarko, Barbosa, Lampe, Divac, Vujanic

That could 5 of 12 on the active roster.

I also think that foreign player are really overrated at the moment and that you can find steals if you look at the local talent right now.
See Josh Howard for example.

Dwight Howard almost sounds too good to be true. I think it would definately be worth it and see if Amare and him can co-exist.

When I look at the top picks the only ones that look interessting to me are Howard, Okafor, Gordon, Deng, Smith, Warrick, Perovic.

Al Jefferson had a game where he had like 20 blocks or something , actually he has his own hype website www.bigalj.com

Why should we not look for a highschooler? There are little impact players available in my opinion. I can't say how the roster looks next season but it might be better to get someone who devellops in the long run.




IF we had 2 top7 lottery picks in this draft I would definately try to move down with one of them and draft Andre Iguodala in the process possibly and move Eisley's contract.
 

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I like Howard already--it looks like he'll give the Suns twice as many chances to draft Okafor. ;)



Are foreign players overrated now? I don't think so. Was Barbosa overrated? Cabarkapa?

I think last year's draft was very, very deep, for one thing. There were college players, HS players and foreigners that were all 'steals' at the end of the first round.

Foreign players were definitely overhyped before the draft, but the way things actually went...



That said, most of the top players in this year's draft seem to be Americans. And, Podkolzine looks to me like a bust waiting to happen--I doubt he'll get drafted anywhere near the top 3, though.
 
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Here is the suns team and who I think has a chance to come back, & who I think will probably be dropped.
(barring trades)
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1. Shawn Marion
2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Leandro Barbosa
4. Zarko Cabarkapa
5. Macej Lampe
6. Joe Johnson
7. Casey Jacobsen
8. Jake Voskuhl
9. Jahadi White - probably back
10. Howard Eisley - probably back
11. 1st round pick - best player
12. 1st round pick - best player

13. Milos Vujanic - probably here

14. Antonio McDyess - chance he will be back
He will have to show a lot and come cheap.
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15. Tom Gugliotta - will not be back
16. Donnell Harvey - probably not back
17. Scott Wiiliams - probably not back

The suns might do something with the Cleveland pick to help them get rid of a contract, (Eisley or White) or they might use the 2nd 1st round pick to get rid of a large contract and return a young player or pick later on. (another year)

Just my thoughts with the current situation.


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Originally posted by sunsfn
Here is the suns team and who I think has a chance to come back, & who I think will probably be dropped.
(barring trades)
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1. Shawn Marion
2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Leandro Barbosa
4. Zarko Cabarkapa
5. Macej Lampe
6. Joe Johnson
7. Casey Jacobsen
8. Jake Voskuhl
9. Jahadi White - probably back
10. Howard Eisley - probably back
11. 1st round pick - best player
12. 1st round pick - best player

13. Milos Vujanic - probably here

14. Antonio McDyess - chance he will be back
He will have to show a lot and come cheap.
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15. Tom Gugliotta - will not be back
16. Donnell Harvey - probably not back
17. Scott Wiiliams - probably not back

The suns might do something with the Cleveland pick to help them get rid of a contract, (Eisley or White) or they might use the 2nd 1st round pick to get rid of a large contract and return a young player or pick later on. (another year)

Just my thoughts with the current situation.


:p

I agree for the most part, but....
CJ (& maybe Eisley) can go as far as I am concerned.

Scott Williams can go into some support position on the Sun's staff.

Googs can play golf with Barkley.

Then pick the best of Harvey or McDyess (or maybe Eisley) to round out the team. Hopefully the Bobcat expansion draft will claim Eisley but I reserve the right to chang my mind if he ever gets his act together.

I really don't think the Suns need to spend a lot of money on a FA and Id like to see what can happen with what we have now & can get int the draft. I'm sort of getting tired of seeing the Sun's aquire "big name" players for "big money" just to see a "big failures" .
 

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Originally posted by sunsfn
Here is the suns team and who I think has a chance to come back, & who I think will probably be dropped.
(barring trades)
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1. Shawn Marion
2. Amare Stoudemire
3. Leandro Barbosa
4. Zarko Cabarkapa
5. Macej Lampe
6. Joe Johnson
7. Casey Jacobsen
8. Jake Voskuhl
9. Jahadi White - probably back
10. Howard Eisley - probably back
11. 1st round pick - best player
12. 1st round pick - best player

13. Milos Vujanic - probably here

14. Antonio McDyess - chance he will be back
He will have to show a lot and come cheap.
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15. Tom Gugliotta - will not be back
16. Donnell Harvey - probably not back
17. Scott Wiiliams - probably not back

The suns might do something with the Cleveland pick to help them get rid of a contract, (Eisley or White) or they might use the 2nd 1st round pick to get rid of a large contract and return a young player or pick later on. (another year)

Just my thoughts with the current situation.


:p

This scenerio assumes they will not go into the FA market this year. If they decide to wait a year, they can sign Dice (if he's worth keeping) and another shooting guard to one year contracts. I'd love to see them get Brett Barry for one year even if he cost $7-8 mil and then prepare for a big push in 2005.

Kobe? I would not put the odds at any better than 1 out of 10 that he ever becomes a Sun.
 

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I'm sort of getting tired of seeing the Sun's aquire "big name" players for "big money" just to see a "big failures".

I agree. It should be Bryant (which is a long shot) or no one, most likely.

This stirs up an old memory. The summer that the Suns signed either Gugliotta or Manning, I can't remember which -- but I think it was Manning -- I (and probably others) felt that there was another marquee free agent who was more desirable. (And no, it wasn't Antonio Freaking McDork.) And I remember thinking, "It should be this guy or no one," but they didn't get "this guy" and instead took, whoever, Manning if I have the year right.

But I can't remember who the other player was! Who were the other big free agents in the Gugliotta and Manning summers? I'm curious who it was that I thought I wanted, and it seems kind of hilarious that I can't even remember who it was.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
I'm sort of getting tired of seeing the Sun's aquire "big name" players for "big money" just to see a "big failures".

I agree. It should be Bryant (which is a long shot) or no one, most likely.

This stirs up an old memory. The summer that the Suns signed either Gugliotta or Manning, I can't remember which -- but I think it was Manning -- I (and probably others) felt that there was another marquee free agent who was more desirable. (And no, it wasn't Antonio Freaking McDork.) And I remember thinking, "It should be this guy or no one," but they didn't get "this guy" and instead took, whoever, Manning if I have the year right.

But I can't remember who the other player was! Who were the other big free agents in the Gugliotta and Manning summers? I'm curious who it was that I thought I wanted, and it seems kind of hilarious that I can't even remember who it was.

Manning was during 1995, when Barkley was with the team. I recall him being the biggest name on the market.

Maybe you're thinking of Scottie Pippen. He was a free agent the same year as Mcdyess and Googs.
 

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After a few days of thinking about it I have concluded I don't want Kobe in a Suns uniform. I just keep seeing the same problems he has with Shaq as a potential problem with Amare. Leadership, passing the ball, ect. I know he is a great player, but I like the feel of a more rounded team like the Kings. I say keep the picks and look for roll players in F.A., cheap roll players. Keep the option open that if a Superstar becomes available in a year or two that would be a good fit we have the tools to grab him. Who? I don't know. I'm just not convinced it's anyone available this summer. I'm just hoping the C's feel the same and don't pull another Googs deal out of desperation. Patience..
 

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Originally posted by newfan101
Manning was during 1995, when Barkley was with the team. I recall him being the biggest name on the market.

Maybe you're thinking of Scottie Pippen. He was a free agent the same year as Mcdyess and Googs.

Manning came in at a mid cap exception or lower. He signed a bigger contract the following year.

But the original point is solid. It is better to sign guys to one year deals and wait than to put the wrong guy under long term contract.
 

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
This scenerio assumes they will not go into the FA market this year. If they decide to wait a year, they can sign Dice (if he's worth keeping) and another shooting guard to one year contracts. I'd love to see them get Brett Barry for one year even if he cost $7-8 mil and then prepare for a big push in 2005.

Kobe? I would not put the odds at any better than 1 out of 10 that he ever becomes a Sun.

Dice might have to sign a min. contract for one year to prove he can still play. I don't think anybody's going to give him much based on this year even if he has a good final month or two.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin

draft Andre Iguodala

what makes you so certain iguodala is coming out this year? i agree, he's a stud in the making, but i'm not certain he's ready as a sophomore, nor am i certain HE thinks he's ready. and, i'll bet, lute will make every effort to keep him there for one more season.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
I'm sort of getting tired of seeing the Sun's aquire "big name" players for "big money" just to see a "big failures".

I agree. It should be Bryant (which is a long shot) or no one, most likely.

This stirs up an old memory. The summer that the Suns signed either Gugliotta or Manning, I can't remember which -- but I think it was Manning -- I (and probably others) felt that there was another marquee free agent who was more desirable. (And no, it wasn't Antonio Freaking McDork.) And I remember thinking, "It should be this guy or no one," but they didn't get "this guy" and instead took, whoever, Manning if I have the year right.

But I can't remember who the other player was! Who were the other big free agents in the Gugliotta and Manning summers? I'm curious who it was that I thought I wanted, and it seems kind of hilarious that I can't even remember who it was.

when we signed manning, he was THE one to sign. and, we got wayman tisdale at a discount with him. everyone was crowing about our signings.

when we signed googs it was a result of not getting mcdyess. the colengeli had saved up cap room for a big splash that summer. they were going to resign mcdyess and sign pippen. it was gonna be kidd, pippen and mcdyess. instead it was kidd and googs. ugh. then we compounded the issues by signing longley.
 

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Even if we were to play bad basketball for the rest of the season we would have a tough time being worse than Washington and some others.

Washington is just horrible. They are going for a 2X points halftime score.

And Kwame scored almost 50% of those.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Even if we were to play bad basketball for the rest of the season we would have a tough time being worse than Washington and some others.

I agree.

ATL, ORL and WAS are terrible, probably they will have a worst record than Suns.
CLE and CHI will "compete" with us for #5.

So most likely our pick will be in the range of #5-#7.
 

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