Jan. 9th, NBA draft continued..........

sunsfn

Registered User
Joined
Oct 3, 2002
Posts
4,522
Reaction score
0
continued...............
------------------------------------------------
They're In

Pavel Podkolzine, C, Varese
The facts: 7-5, 300, 19 years old
The skinny: He's a hulk of a human being with surprising athleticism and quickness for someone his size. He's got a soft touch for his size and is reportedly beginning to learn how to use his size in the paint. He still is very raw and is only now beginning to get experience at a decent level of competition. Some scouts still have concerns about his illness, but those should be cleared up once he undergoes another medical test from the NBA. Based on his stature and potential, he's a likely lottery pick who could go Top 5 with a clean bill of health and strong workouts.

Ivan Chiriaev, F, St. Thomas Aquanis High (Ontario)
The facts: 7-1, 230, 19 years old
The skinny: This native of St. Petersburg Russia has been wowing scouts for the past six months with a lethal combination of athleticism, shooting ability and ball handling skills. Several scouts claim he has a point guard handle. Unlike most Europeans phenoms, scouts have had ready access to him because he plays in Canada and most have come away very impressed. With that said, there are still a ton of questions. He doesn't have much playing experience and the league that he plays in is pretty awful. Based on potential, he's a likely late lottery pick, but he'll be a project for whoever drafts him.

Sergei Monya, G/F, CSKA Moscow
The facts: 6-7, 230, 20 years old
The skinny: Monya may be the most NBA ready of any of the top international prospects this year. He already has an NBA body and strength, which is a big, big plus. He also plays with an aggressiveness both offensively and defensively that scouts really love. He's got a very solid mid-range jumper and his 3-point shot has also improved. Some scouts still question his ball handling, but admit that CSKA doesn't really ask him to put the ball on the floor much. The fact that he has extensive playing experience the past two season for a Euroleague team really helps his cause. The biggest issue with Monya will be his buyout. He doesn't have one and CSKA may be reluctant to let both Monya and another NBA prospect, Viktor Khryapa, go in the same year. If his agent, Marc Fleisher, can get something worked out with CSKA early enough, Monya's a late-lottery-to-mid-first-round pick.

Sasha Vujacic, G, Udine
The facts: 6-7, 210, 20 years old
The skinny: Vujacic impressed scouts with a good performance at the Chicago pre-draft camp last season. He's a 6-foot-7 combo guard with some definite point guard skills. He's mostly playing two guard for Udine this season, but scouts feel he can make the transition to the point in the pros. Sees plenty of playing time and, by most accounts, is having a very good season in Italy. He'll need to get stronger and speed up his game to succeed in the NBA, but several scouts see a young Brent Barry when watching him. That should be enough to get him into the late first round at the very least.

Viktor Khryapa, F, CSKA Moscow
The facts: 6-9, 210, 21 years old
The skinny: He pulled out of the past two drafts after failing to receive a first-round promise from a team. This year he's in no matter what. Has nice skills for a player his size and is a good shooter who thrives in the open court. He's a small forward in the pros and has nice size there. Scouts wonder about his athleticism and defense. In Europe he tends to defend bigger players. He struggles when asked to guard quicker perimeter guys. If he's going to play small forward in the pros, that's going to be an issue. He has a $350,000 NBA buyout, which helps his cause. Right now he's a bubble boy -- late first round to second.


Anderson Varejao
Anderson Varejao, F, Barcelona
The facts: 6-10, 230, 21 years old
The skinny: Scouts either love him or hate Brazil's Sideshow Bob. Like Khryapa he's been in and pulled out of the last two NBA drafts after he failed to secure a first-round promise. He impressed everyone with a strong game versus Team USA in Puerto Rico last summer, but is having just a decent year for Barcelona this year. Teams love his athleticism and aggressiveness defensively and on the boards. But he still hasn't proven he'll be able to score at a regular clip in the NBA. His shot and offensive skills looked great in Puerto Rico, but he's inconsistent in Euroleague play. He'll drop 17 and 10 one night and five and three the next. He's draft eligible this year, so there's no backing out. The lack of a buyout will prohibit him from going too high. Depending on who you ask, he's either a mid-first-rounder or a second-rounder. Split the difference and he falls somewhere in the late first round.

Ha Seung Jin, C, South Korea
The facts: 7-3, 300, 18 years old
The skinny: He's huge and size always counts for something in the NBA. He also has some decent skills and a soft touch that teams are always looking for in a big man. But the comparisons to Yao Ming are ridiculous. He has very little experience. I saw a workout tape made by SFX. You can see the potential there, but it's very, very raw. He's reportedly been working out in L.A. If SFX can build him an NBA body and low-post skills, he could soar up the charts on draft day. From what I saw and other scouts have seen, late first round is more like it right now.

Wait and See

Kosta Perovic, F/C, Partizan
The facts: 7-2, 230, 19 years old
The skinny: Having a breakout year at Partizan after stepping into the starting lineup to replace Nets first-round pick Nenad Kristic. Now that Kristic has returned from an injury, his production will probably fall off a bit. Great skills. Soft hands, nice jump shot and good athleticism. Strength, mobility and position are all legit questions, but on talent, he's a lottery pick. The problem, and it's a major one, will be his buyout. He doesn't have one in his contract. Partizan owner Vlade Divac has told Kristic that he can leave the team for the NBA this season. Will he be willing to let Kristic's replacement go as well? Several sources in Europe doubt it. Partizan doesn't need the money. If Perovic's agent (even that's not settled yet) can't convince teams that he's available to play in 2004, his stock will slip.

Tiago Splitter, F, Tau Vitoria
The facts: 7-0, 240, 19 years old
The skinny: Splitter had his coming out party in the Tournament of the Americas in Puerto Rico last summer. He's also cracked the rotation for TAU, one of the top teams in Europe, which says something. He's got an NBA body, though he still needs to make it stronger. Most scouts agree that his defense is ahead of his offense right now. He does have a nice handle and a good, but not great, jumper. Scouts just aren't sure exactly what position he plays. Probably power forward, but he needs to improve his inside scoring if that's the case. Scouts feel he's probably a little too slow footed to play the three, which hurts his cause a little. The lack of a buyout also hurts his cause. With scouts undecided on exactly where he'll play, many scouts feel that he could fall anywhere from the late lottery to mid first round. That may not be enough to convince him to come out.

Peja Samardzski, F/C, Partizan
The facts: 6-11, 240, 17 years old
The skinny: He has unbelievable skills for a kid his age and size. He can shoot the ball effortlessly from anywhere on the court and he's developed a strong enough low-post game to be reckoned with on that end as well. He has high-lottery talent, but several things are holding him back. First, he still hasn't it made it to Partizan's senior team, meaning scouts can only judge him against inferior junior talent. Second, Partizan has kept the kid under lock and key; scouts aren't able to get to practice to watch him work out. Questions about his strength and lateral quickness are also big question marks, but at just 17 years of age, they don't kill him. He projects to a high-post center in the NBA based on his body frame and skills, which is good thing. His agent, Marc Cornstein, says that Samardzski wants to declare for the draft. But without a buyout and with Partizan facing the loss of at least one of its big men, will it let him go? He's another top talent who may just be another year or two away before he can realistically be in a position to go in the high lottery. Still, if teams get him over for workouts, watch out. He'll wow them.

Andris Biedrins, F, Skonto Riga
The facts: 6-11, 240, 18 years old
The skinny: A trip to America playing against some of our top high school talent rocketed Biedrins, a native of Latvia, into the NBA draft discussion. When scouts saw him in April, they didn't see anything too special. But by most accounts he's dramatically improved to the point that he's moved himself into the first round. Scouts like the foundation he came from. He started as an athletic rebounder and shot blocker who just recently added some offensive fire power to his game. He's still way too thin and needs a lot more work on his perimeter game, but the scouts who have seen him in the past two months have all walked away very impressed. The lack of competition in Latvia and his rapid development make him very tough to project. His buyout situation is also very unclear at the moment. That's a lot of question marks. Scouts have him projected as a mid-to-late-first rounder right now, but he could move up the charts once he gets more exposure.

Martynas Andriuskevicius, F/C, Zalgris (Lithuania)
The facts: 7-1, 230, 18 years old
The skinny: The sleeper of the draft. Impressed scouts at a junior tournament during the Euroleague Final Four last spring. According to scouts, he's made dramatic improvements since then. While most believe he's another year away from the draft (he still needs to add another 20 pounds), several scouts claim that he's a better prospect than Splitter or Perovic. Being tutored by Arvydas Sabonis can't hurt. I don't expect that he'll be in the draft, but you never know. If he is, and he gets the exposure he needs, he could be a lottery pick.

Vladimir Veremeenko, F, Avtodor Saratov (Belarus)
The facts: 6-10, 230, 19 years old
The skinny: Has had a productive year in Russia and many believe he's the best prospect behind Monya and Khryapa. He has the size, athleticism and quickness teams look for in a forward. He's a bit of a tweener, but his athleticism should allow him to guard threes in the league. A mid-season injury kept some scouts from seeing him. Is he ready now? Scouts say he's a late-first-round, early second-round pick right now, but he could move up with more exposure. A bit of a sleeper.

Ivan Koljevic, G, Budcnost
The facts: 6-2, 175, 19 years old
The skinny: Koljevic put on a scoring show at the Global Games in Dallas last summer and has put up strong numbers for Budcnost this season, essentially averaging a point a minute. The question, and it's a big one, is whether he's really a point guard or a two guard masquerading around in a point guard's body. Scouts who think he can be an NBA point guard see him as a definite first-rounder. Those who think he doesn't have the play-making skills see him falling into the second round if he declare. Most scouts think he could use another year playing the point before making the jump.

Uros Slokar, F, Benetton
The facts: 6-10, 230, 20 years old
The skinny: Slokar is having a great year for Benetton, and at his size, he's intrigued a lot of people. The question really is about his position. He's too thin and weak to guard NBA fours, not quick enough to stop an NBA three. With so many questions, the chances that he's in and stays in are slim.

Next Year

Nemanja Alekandrov, F, FMP Zeleznik
The facts: 6-11, 210, 16 years old
The skinny: Many scouts consider him the top prospect in Europe right now. He won't, however, be draft eligible until next season. His versatility, quickness, athleticism and basketball IQ for a kid his age are amazing. Could be a top-three pick next year.

Damir Omerhodzic, F, Cibona
The facts: 6-11, 230, 18 years old
The skinny: Another kid with unbelievable upside, but no experience. He isn't getting any time on Cibona at the moment. His agent, Marc Cornstein, isn't sure if Omerhodzic will be in the draft. Scouts unanimously believe he should wait at least one more year. While they believe he has a bright future, they see him as a little further behind than some of the other players we've mentioned. Expect to see him again in 2005.

Manuchar Markoishvili, G/F, Benetton
The facts: 6-6, 190, 17 years old
The skinny: Scouts love him, but a down year has muddied his draft status. He was playing in the Euroleague Final Four for Benetton at age 16 last year. Two different GMs claimed he was the second-best prospect in Europe behind Darko Milicic last season. But Benetton got off to a slow start and Markoishvili lost his spot in the rotation, killing the momentum he brought into the season. Questions about his 3-point shooting and his quickness still linger, but everyone still believes he's more ready than most of the prospects on this list. With that said, his agent, Marc Fleisher, told Insider that Markoishvili will probably sit this draft out. If he did go in, he's looking at the mid to late first round.

Johan Petro, F, Pau Orthez
The facts: 6-11, 220, 18 years old
The skinny: Great, athletic prospect down the road. But he's playing in his first season in the Euroleague and has struggled to make the rotation. Teams love his athletic skills, but he needs a lot of polish on the offensive end.

Roko Leni Ukic, PG, Split Croatia
The facts: 6-5, 185, 20 years old
The skinny: Some promise there because of his size and quickness at the position. But he's undisciplined, lacks a solid shot and has a very thin frame. Scouts see potential, but it's another year or two down the road.

:)
 

slinslin

Welcome to Amareca
Joined
Jun 28, 2002
Posts
16,855
Reaction score
562
Location
Hannover - Germany
Originally posted by sunsfn
continued...............
------------------------------------------------
They're In

Pavel Podkolzine, C, Varese
The facts: 7-5, 300, 19 years old
The skinny: He's a hulk of a human being with surprising athleticism and quickness for someone his size. He's got a soft touch for his size and is reportedly beginning to learn how to use his size in the paint. He still is very raw and is only now beginning to get experience at a decent level of competition. Some scouts still have concerns about his illness, but those should be cleared up once he undergoes another medical test from the NBA. Based on his stature and potential, he's a likely lottery pick who could go Top 5 with a clean bill of health and strong workouts.


Johan Petro, F, Pau Orthez
The facts: 6-11, 220, 18 years old
The skinny: Great, athletic prospect down the road. But he's playing in his first season in the Euroleague and has struggled to make the rotation. Teams love his athletic skills, but he needs a lot of polish on the offensive end.



:)

It is funny because Pavel is a bench warmer , can't make the rotation and his team isn't even that good. He isn't even playing in the euroleague.

I would be surprised if Pavel was considerably better than Tsakalidis after 4 years in the NBA.
 

Ryanwb

ASFN IDOL
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
35,576
Reaction score
6
Location
Mesa
I can't wait until the United States wakes up and starts producing quality players again so this damn invation of these foreigners stops. Let them keep their freaky asses in their own damn country
 

Chaz

observationist
Joined
Mar 11, 2003
Posts
11,327
Reaction score
7
Location
Wandering the Universe
The NCAA is just killing the development of U.S. players.

The NBA needs a U.S. minor league system with levels for development of drafted talent and a teaching apparatus for younger players. If guys want to be student athletes and put up with the NCAA that is fine. I think a minor league basketball system would force the NCAA to change some of the rediculous rules they impose on college basketball and allow NBA teams to develop and retain talent outside the big league club.

Untill then the foreign players ranks in the NBA will continue to grow as they are allowed to practice and get instruction more than in the collegiate system.
 

George O'Brien

ASFN Icon
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Posts
10,297
Reaction score
0
Location
Sun City
Re: Re: Jan. 9th, NBA draft continued..........

Originally posted by slinslin
It is funny because Pavel is a bench warmer , can't make the rotation and his team isn't even that good. He isn't even playing in the euroleague.

I would be surprised if Pavel was considerably better than Tsakalidis after 4 years in the NBA.

That is certainly my fear. The story that his coach benched him rings true however. The Euro's seem to use more of a seniority system than American teams plus they are on the incentive plan to hide NBA prospects.

I'm sure that having someone his size would be helpful, even if just to stand there and scare people. But I'd need a lot more than just some workouts to convince me he would not just be another young bench warmer.
 

F-Dog

lurker
Joined
Aug 27, 2003
Posts
3,637
Reaction score
0
Location
Tucson
From the descriptions (not that Chad Ford is the be-all, end-all of Euro scouting) there are a couple of guys who might be prospects for the Knicks pick, especially if the Suns wind up going small with their own pick:


Samardzski (if he's quick enough) might be a good player to draft and leave at Partizan for a couple of years. (If the Suns get Vujanic and sign their own draft pick, they won't have room for any more prospects, anyway.) Ideally the Suns would have special access to him while he's there--and to the rest of the Partizan juniors. I would love to see the Suns develop a closer relationship with Divac's team and a stronger presence in Serbia generally.

Andriuskevicius also sounds like he could be worth having in a couple of years. If nothing else, it would be a treat to see how they manage to fit all of those letters on the back of his jersey.


I agree that Podkolzine sounds like a bust waiting to happen, except for the fact that nobody seems to be interested in him. I don't think that Ha Seung Jin is a worthwhile prospect, either--he seems like he's just a big body, from the descriptions I've read.
 

Ouchie-Z-Clown

I'm better than Mulli!
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Posts
64,752
Reaction score
60,173
Location
SoCal
Originally posted by Ryanwb
I can't wait until the United States wakes up and starts producing quality players again so this damn invation of these foreigners stops. Let them keep their freaky asses in their own damn country

man, you're like right outta the League of Nations days . . . back when the U.S. refused to look beyond its own borders for ANYTHING.

i agree that the fascination with the euros may have taken on epically-ridiculous proportions, but "their freaky asses?" though somewhat humorous, it's awfully ugly american of you.
 

Ouchie-Z-Clown

I'm better than Mulli!
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Posts
64,752
Reaction score
60,173
Location
SoCal
Originally posted by SirChaz
The NCAA is just killing the development of U.S. players.

The NBA needs a U.S. minor league system with levels for development of drafted talent and a teaching apparatus for younger players. If guys want to be student athletes and put up with the NCAA that is fine. I think a minor league basketball system would force the NCAA to change some of the rediculous rules they impose on college basketball and allow NBA teams to develop and retain talent outside the big league club.

Untill then the foreign players ranks in the NBA will continue to grow as they are allowed to practice and get instruction more than in the collegiate system.

you know, the ncaa is the reason our kids can't shoot a midrange jumper or palm the ball everytime they dribble. the ncaa is not the reason our players are sluggishly lazy on defense. it's our society as a whole. these kids are revered from the second an inkling of their talent shows itself. they are catered to beyond belief. they are taught that a dunk or three is more important than a layup or 13 foot jumper. they are taught that street cred is more important than winning. they'd rather pump their fists and bang their chests (or forehead - thank you miles and Q - ridiculous) than get back on defense. they are all in a hurry to get to the L and make that bling bling, based purely on their athleticism ('cuz let's face it, most of 'em don't have much more than that coming outta high school). but, unfortunately, the nba is powerless to stop 'em. the sherman act takes care of that. and i don't even oppose imposition of sherman act laws on sports. no one should be constrained from making a living in the profession of their choice. i just lament the fact that skills are being lost in trade for athleticism.

a minor league is already being set up . . . it's called the NBDL. it pays for ***** and kids don't want to go to it 'cuz it's not considered "the big time." at least the ncaa makes some pretense of making these kids get a education. who knows, maybe it even works for some of 'em. better than them skipping out on a potentially free education altogether to wash outta the NBDL after a few season and end up with nothing left to fall back upon.
 

Chaz

observationist
Joined
Mar 11, 2003
Posts
11,327
Reaction score
7
Location
Wandering the Universe
Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
you know, the ncaa is the reason our kids can't shoot a midrange jumper or palm the ball everytime they dribble. the ncaa is not the reason our players are sluggishly lazy on defense. it's our society as a whole. these kids are revered from the second an inkling of their talent shows itself. they are catered to beyond belief. they are taught that a dunk or three is more important than a layup or 13 foot jumper. they are taught that street cred is more important than winning. they'd rather pump their fists and bang their chests (or forehead - thank you miles and Q - ridiculous) than get back on defense. they are all in a hurry to get to the L and make that bling bling, based purely on their athleticism ('cuz let's face it, most of 'em don't have much more than that coming outta high school). but, unfortunately, the nba is powerless to stop 'em. the sherman act takes care of that. and i don't even oppose imposition of sherman act laws on sports. no one should be constrained from making a living in the profession of their choice. i just lament the fact that skills are being lost in trade for athleticism.

a minor league is already being set up . . . it's called the NBDL. it pays for ***** and kids don't want to go to it 'cuz it's not considered "the big time." at least the ncaa makes some pretense of making these kids get a education. who knows, maybe it even works for some of 'em. better than them skipping out on a potentially free education altogether to wash outta the NBDL after a few season and end up with nothing left to fall back upon.

Well not all players are like that. I think the NCAA holds back much of the teaching that could be done at the college level. Lets be realistic many of the kids in college basketball programs don't care about the education (while many of them do). The most talented players mostly view the NCAA ranks as a stepping stone to the NBA. If there was a real alternative I think a lot of kids would try it.

The NBDL is not really a credible league at least so far. I think the NBA needs a league where teams can retain rights to players that play there more like the baseball minor league. If basketball is going to covet younger and younger talent like 17 and 18 year olds then they need a place to develop where it is not at the expense of the NBA product quality.


I also think the "ESPN highlights" are another reason for the dunk over jumpshot mentality you mentioned. The ESPN "play of the night" is often the most meaningless and selfish play of the particular game.
 

elindholm

edited for content
Joined
Sep 14, 2002
Posts
27,703
Reaction score
10,157
Location
L.A. area
I can't wait until the United States wakes up and starts producing quality players again so this damn invation of these foreigners stops. Let them keep their freaky asses in their own damn country

Either you are Native American, or this statement is hypocritical.
 

fordronken

Registered User
Joined
Oct 17, 2002
Posts
3,806
Reaction score
0
Location
Los Angeles area
Originally posted by elindholm
I can't wait until the United States wakes up and starts producing quality players again so this damn invation of these foreigners stops. Let them keep their freaky asses in their own damn country

Either you are Native American, or this statement is hypocritical.

No, no. See, he didn't say invasion. He used little known word invation; a rare disease which causes a decline in the play of U.S. born players to somehow parlay itself into an anal leakage for travelling foreigners. Apparently the asses, once leaking, tend to look rather "freaky".
 

SunsTzu

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Aug 28, 2003
Posts
4,866
Reaction score
1,674
Originally posted by F-Dog
From the descriptions (not that Chad Ford is the be-all, end-all of Euro scouting) there are a couple of guys who might be prospects for the Knicks pick, especially if the Suns wind up going small with their own pick:


Samardzski (if he's quick enough) might be a good player to draft and leave at Partizan for a couple of years. (If the Suns get Vujanic and sign their own draft pick, they won't have room for any more prospects, anyway.) Ideally the Suns would have special access to him while he's there--and to the rest of the Partizan juniors. I would love to see the Suns develop a closer relationship with Divac's team and a stronger presence in Serbia generally.

Andriuskevicius also sounds like he could be worth having in a couple of years. If nothing else, it would be a treat to see how they manage to fit all of those letters on the back of his jersey.


I agree that Podkolzine sounds like a bust waiting to happen, except for the fact that nobody seems to be interested in him. I don't think that Ha Seung Jin is a worthwhile prospect, either--he seems like he's just a big body, from the descriptions I've read.

I completly agree with everything in this post. If we can get a guy like Peja or Martynas and let them develope in Europe for a couple years while we see what we have here already.
 

slinslin

Welcome to Amareca
Joined
Jun 28, 2002
Posts
16,855
Reaction score
562
Location
Hannover - Germany
The only reason to stash draftpicks in europe is avoiding the contract in my opinion.
Leaving them over to devellop is BS.

1. You can't get a good read on your own players in european basketball.

2. They would benefit more by getting NBA practice even if it is only practice and getting used to the lifestyle.

I would rather go american in this draft wether it is highschool or college.
Since our roster is pretty stacked we might as well go with 2 "potential" guys from highschool and devellop them like Indiana did with Harrington and Bender.

The only guy in the draft who could probably play right away on this team would be Emeka. Maybe Harrison could get some center minutes or someone like Iguodala backup minutes at the 2.

But as it is without FA signings there are already not many minutes available.
 

SunsTzu

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Aug 28, 2003
Posts
4,866
Reaction score
1,674
Euro players that are still teens are better suited to stay and get some PT imo. Look at Skita and Darko, they are supposed to have unlimited potential while less talented guys like Manu and Zarko step in and contribute right away.
 

slinslin

Welcome to Amareca
Joined
Jun 28, 2002
Posts
16,855
Reaction score
562
Location
Hannover - Germany
So?

Skita was riding the bench in europe as well. Well Darko got playing time off the bench on his team.

Let them stay in europe it is just as likely they won't devellop as you wished.

And then you wasted years and still have to devellop them when they finally come over.
 

SunsTzu

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Aug 28, 2003
Posts
4,866
Reaction score
1,674
Originally posted by slinslin
So?

Skita was riding the bench in europe as well. Well Darko got playing time off the bench on his team.

Let them stay in europe it is just as likely they won't devellop as you wished.

And then you wasted years and still have to devellop them when they finally come over.

Well they'll still be deveolping at 20 years old regardless of where they play right? I just feel that the top euro leagues are a better way to hone their skills than riding the bench and IR for 2 years.
 

F-Dog

lurker
Joined
Aug 27, 2003
Posts
3,637
Reaction score
0
Location
Tucson
Originally posted by slinslin
So?

Skita was riding the bench in europe as well. Well Darko got playing time off the bench on his team.

Let them stay in europe it is just as likely they won't devellop as you wished.

And then you wasted years and still have to devellop them when they finally come over.

The difference is that Samardzski has Vlade Divac working with him (plus Cabarkapa and Vujanic if the Suns get him) and Andriuskevicius has Arvydas Sabonis working with him. Divac and Sabonis both know what it takes to play center in the NBA, to put it mildly.


The advantage to signing foreign players and leaving them abroad is that their rookie contracts don't start until they come over to the U.S., so if the player does polish his game enough, his team gets a useful player very cheap for four years.





I love Iguodala (I don't think he'll last until the Knicks' pick, though), and I wouldn't mind the Suns taking a HS player either--as long as that player has already reached his NBA playing weight.

The problem with some HS players is that, if you get a guy who's too raw, he can make it through his entire 4-year rookie deal, and you still don't know what you've got.
 

George O'Brien

ASFN Icon
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Posts
10,297
Reaction score
0
Location
Sun City
Zarko is an unusual case. He's 23 and has been playing for quite a while. He became a good player by working very hard over the years rather than emerging in the limelight just because of his athleticism. Since he is mostly an SF, he has had the extensive skills development that the Europeans are so great at teaching.

The problem in Europe is that they no longer train centers to play NBA basketball. The days of centers like Sabonis and Divac are gone. The new breed all want to play on the outside and are adverse to contact.
 

SunsTzu

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Aug 28, 2003
Posts
4,866
Reaction score
1,674
Originally posted by George O'Brien
Zarko is an unusual case. He's 23 and has been playing for quite a while. He became a good player by working very hard over the years rather than emerging in the limelight just because of his athleticism. Since he is mostly an SF, he has had the extensive skills development that the Europeans are so great at teaching.

The problem in Europe is that they no longer train centers to play NBA basketball. The days of centers like Sabonis and Divac are gone. The new breed all want to play on the outside and are adverse to contact.


I don't agree. There haven't been centers from europe as good as those 2 but there have been quite a few not afraid of contact. Big Jake, Nesterovic, Big Z, Stepania, Medvadenko are all guys not afraid to put their large bodies on people. While only Big Z is the only one with a polished offensive post game, we dont really need a low post guy. I'd prefer to have a high post guy which is what Sabonis and Divac excelled at while still being able to gaurd other centers.

Ironic that you mentioned Divac and Sabonis too since as the post above yours stats of the 2 guys that intrest me one is playing with Sabonis and the other plays fo Divac's team. I'm sure they would both get excellent instruction on how to be a high post center.
 

George O'Brien

ASFN Icon
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Posts
10,297
Reaction score
0
Location
Sun City
Originally posted by SunsTzu
Big Jake, Nesterovic, Big Z, Stepania, Medvadenko are all guys not afraid to put their large bodies on people.

1. Big Jake - He was very young when the Suns took him and remains a project after several years in the league. He is phyiscal but little else.

2. Nesterovic - He was very slow in developing and never showed me all that much defensive toughness. He was playing center last year when Amare scored 38 points against the Wolves.

3. Big Z - He has been coach Paul Silas' dog house all year because he either can't or won't play defense.

4. Stepania - He is 28 and did not show anything until last year when he grabbed 7 rpg. This year he is back to 3.2 rpg on 11.2 minutes.

5. Medvadenko - He is scoring 10.2 ppg this season but is grabbing only 4.7 rpg in 22. 6 minutes. HoopsHype discribes him as not being a hard worker and that he lacks defenisve toughness.
 

SunsTzu

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Aug 28, 2003
Posts
4,866
Reaction score
1,674
I would never make the case for any of them being good defensive players. All I was pointing out is they don't aviod contact. All of those guys will put a body on someone while on D, though they do get abused since most lack quickness and ability.

Also the newest euro centers Darko and Lampe have both been scouted as guys who can mix it up down low. Although there were mixed reviews about Lampe.
 
Last edited:

George O'Brien

ASFN Icon
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Posts
10,297
Reaction score
0
Location
Sun City
Originally posted by SunsTzu
I would never make the case for any of them being good defensive players. All I was pointing out is they don't aviod contact. All of those guys will put a body on someone while on D, though they do get abused since most lack quickness and ability.

Also the newest euro centers Darko and Lampe have both been scouted as guys who can mix it up down low. Although there were mixed reviews about Lampe.

Lampe is big, 7'0 275 and they say he is not done growing.

He is like the other Euro big men with great ball handling skills. Is he an SF, a swing SF/PF, or a potential center? He is reputed to be an incredible outside shooter, passer, and can put the ball on the floor effectively. But does he have the toughness to be a good rebounder and the strength to play defense?

Lampe does not have a reputation for back to the basket moves, but that may not matter if the Suns move to a high post offense like the Kings.

We may find that he is just not ready to produce yet. The Suns are still thinking in terms of not getting much for the next couple of years. But having a center that shoot the lights out has to be intriguing.
 

Latest posts

Members online

Forum statistics

Threads
559,508
Posts
5,464,578
Members
6,337
Latest member
rattle
Top