Jeremiah Trotter

[Krangodnzr]

With June 1st coming in the next week or so, Jeremiah Trotter is almost a certain cap casualty.

Would he be worth signing. Granted, he is probably better than McKinnon on his worst day, but would spending big money on a MLB be worth it?

I say yes, and hopefully, the front office is eyeing him.

 

[CardShark]

I think Green is set with Dansby. He won't go looking to spend big money on a linebacker. If he's going to spend any big money it will be for a solid corner. That's just my opinion. On the other hand, what is McKinnon's hit on the cap?

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think Green is set with Dansby. He won't go looking to spend big money on a linebacker. If he's going to spend any big money it will be for a solid corner. That's just my opinion. On the other hand, what is McKinnon's hit on the cap?

I doubt any "solid" corner will be available. At best, you can only expect journeymen corners to be available after June 1.

If we signed Trotter, I doubt we would cut McKinnon. His leadership is an asset to the entire defense, and it would be a shame to cut him.

 

[CardShark]

Ty Law may beome available after June 1st. It doesn't have to a June 1st cut anyway. They might be able to work out a trade for McKenzie.

As for McKinnon, you stated that Trotter was much better than him. If you would like to add Trotter then you would need to cut someone like McKinnon to help you with his salary. As for being a team leader, it loses its impact when you look at who the Patriots cut last year and still ended up winning the SuperBowl. Remember too, that he was a leader on one of the worst defenses in the league.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Ty Law may beome available after June 1st. It doesn't have to a June 1st cut anyway. They might be able to work out a trade for McKenzie.

IMO, Ty Law is a pipedream. Why would he want to come to a losery organization after winning a Super Bowl, when 6-7 better teams have more caproom, and thus a better ability to sign him?

And McKenzie is seeking a franchise caliber deal, while not being a franchise level corner. We'd have to give up, at least a second rounder PLUS sign him to an enormous extension to get him. Not worth it. He's at the same level Starks was when we signed him, and we shouldn't overpay for a decent, but not great corner again.

As for McKinnon, you stated that Trotter was much better than him. If you would like to add Trotter then you would need to cut someone like McKinnon to help you with his salary.

There are enough underperformers on this team that we could cut someone else and keep McKinnon.

As for being a team leader, it loses its impact when you look at who the Patriots cut last year and still ended up winning the SuperBowl. Remember too, that he was a leader on one of the worst defenses in the league.

The Patriots had enough leaders, that cutting Milloy wasn't that big of a loss. We need leaders on this defense, and I rather doubt that McKinnon's leadership ability contributed to our inability to stop offenses.

 

[nationsrj]

McKinnon's cap hit is 2.55M.

If he is cut, we have $900K of dead money and 1.65M for use elsewhere.

I think Trotter would be a stopgap type player until one of the younger
players develop. While I think Trotter is a good player, I don't know that I
would state he is that much better than McKinnon. How much was he helped
by the Linemen in front of him keeping the O linemen off of him so he could
move to the ball?

 

[CardShark]

IMO, Ty Law is a pipedream. Why would he want to come to a losery organization after winning a Super Bowl, when 6-7 better teams have more caproom, and thus a better ability to sign him?

Using your argument, why would Trotter want to come here?

And McKenzie is seeking a franchise caliber deal, while not being a franchise level corner. We'd have to give up, at least a second rounder PLUS sign him to an enormous extension to get him. Not worth it. He's at the same level Starks was when we signed him, and we shouldn't overpay for a decent, but not great corner again.

Well there is speculation that he's already been talking with the Cards.

There are enough underperformers on this team that we could cut someone else and keep McKinnon.

I agree with this. But in order to sign someone like Trotter you'll have to look at giving up someone that has a higher salary that wouldn't be a cap hit for years to come.

The Patriots had enough leaders, that cutting Milloy wasn't that big of a loss. We need leaders on this defense, and I rather doubt that McKinnon's leadership ability contributed to our inability to stop offenses.

Who's to say that McKinnon is indispensible leader the Cards must keep in order to be a winning franchise?

 

[CardShark]

McKinnon's cap hit is 2.55M.

If he is cut, we have $900K of dead money and 1.65M for use elsewhere.

I think Trotter would be a stopgap type player until one of the younger
players develop. While I think Trotter is a good player, I don't know that I
would state he is that much better than McKinnon. How much was he helped
by the Linemen in front of him keeping the O linemen off of him so he could
move to the ball?

Thanks for the info on the cap hit. That would make it harder to cut him and alas harder to sign Trotter.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Using your argument, why would Trotter want to come here?

Apples and oranges. MLB's aren't as sought after as corners are.

Well there is speculation that he's already been talking with the Cards.

Speculation being the key word, and mostly from a Packer's fan site, where someone supposedly saw McKenzie in Chandler. Not exactly any hard evidence that he has been courted.

I agree with this. But in order to sign someone like Trotter you'll have to look at giving up someone that has a higher salary that wouldn't be a cap hit for years to come.

True, though we have quite a few players that would have a minimal cap hit that can be replaced with cheaper players...

Who's to say that McKinnon is indispensible leader the Cards must keep in order to be a winning franchise?

I'm not saying that. But McKinnon doesn't exactly have a huge salary, and it wouldn't hurt to just let it expire.

 

[azdad1978]

 

[nationsrj]

McKinnon is in the final year of his present contract.
I would expect him to be either let go or be free to test the
free agent waters after the season.

One of the young linebackers (or Darling) will be getting additional
time in the middle.

 

[spanky1]

With June 1st coming in the next week or so, Jeremiah Trotter is almost a certain cap casualty.

Would he be worth signing. Granted, he is probably better than McKinnon on his worst day, but would spending big money on a MLB be worth it?

I say yes, and hopefully, the front office is eyeing him.

krang,

IMO, Trotter would be a positive addition. He is still quite young (27ish) and has Pro Bowl credentials (2 yrs.). What I like about him is that he is a perfect size for an MLB AT 6'1" and 260 lbs. With Dansby,Thompson, Fisher and Woods as OLB's, he'd finalize what would be a SOLID LB group.

McKinnon is in the very twilight of his career and Darling is a career #2. If we use the 3-4 as a primary defense, Trotter would be VERY valuable as a hard nosed run stuffer and tackler. I'd be inclinded to seriously look at him.

 

[spanky1]

I think Green is set with Dansby. He won't go looking to spend big money on a linebacker. If he's going to spend any big money it will be for a solid corner. That's just my opinion. On the other hand, what is McKinnon's hit on the cap?

Dansby and Trotter are two different positional players. Dansby is a pass rushing OLB and Trotter plays a run stuffing, tackling machine in the middle as a MLB. He would be more valuable then any CB we could pick up at this time of the year.

 

[CardShark]

krang,

IMO, Trotter would be a positive addition. He is still quite young (27ish) and has Pro Bowl credentials (2 yrs.). What I like about him is that he is a perfect size for an MLB AT 6'1" and 260 lbs. With Dansby,Thompson, Fisher and Woods as OLB's, he'd finalize what would be a SOLID LB group.

McKinnon is in the very twilight of his career and Darling is a career #2. If we use the 3-4 as a primary defense, Trotter would be VERY valuable as a hard nosed run stuffer and tackler. I'd be inclinded to seriously look at him.

So are you saying you would cut McKinnon?

 

[Krangodnzr]

krang,

IMO, Trotter would be a positive addition. He is still quite young (27ish) and has Pro Bowl credentials (2 yrs.). What I like about him is that he is a perfect size for an MLB AT 6'1" and 260 lbs. With Dansby,Thompson, Fisher and Woods as OLB's, he'd finalize what would be a SOLID LB group.

McKinnon is in the very twilight of his career and Darling is a career #2. If we use the 3-4 as a primary defense, Trotter would be VERY valuable as a hard nosed run stuffer and tackler. I'd be inclinded to seriously look at him.

I looked at his bio on Redskins.com and was amazed that he's still relatively young for a veteran of his credentials. He still has a few good years left in him, and would be worth a strong bid when (not if) he becomes available.

I agree, he would make a strong addition to our LB corps, and would help strengthen the middle of our defense.

 

[azdad1978]

Dansby and Trotter are two different positional players. Dansby is a pass rushing OLB and Trotter plays a run stuffing, tackling machine in the middle as a MLB. He would be more valuable then any CB we could pick up at this time of the year.

Last time I checked Mac is also a tackling MLB machine

 

[spanky1]

I looked at his bio on Redskins.com and was amazed that he's still relatively young for a veteran of his credentials. He still has a few good years left in him, and would be worth a strong bid when (not if) he becomes available.

I agree, he would make a strong addition to our LB corps, and would help strengthen the middle of our defense.

krang,

Remember Green's comment at the very beginning of his tenure........"you build a defense from the middle out". Trotter would be a helluva pick-up.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Last time I checked Mac is also a tackling MLB machine

But Trotter can actually make some gamechanging plays, and is stronger at the point of attack than Ronnie Mac (damn that rhymed!)

 

[spanky1]

So are you saying you would cut McKinnon?

Not necessarily.......McKinnon has value as a leader and for his heart but he is in his VERY last year. He also is undersized as an MLB, especially in a 3-4 defense.Trotter is a rare talent. I would keep them both if it were doable cap wise. Darling could go without any tears from me.

 

[CardShark]

I'm not saying that Trotter wouldn't be a good addition to the team, just that there has to be some give and take. Why would you want to keep McKinnon when Trotter plays the same position. You would need to free up the money to pay Trotter. McKinnon would have to be the odd man out. As far as Dansby, what I was referring to was that the Cards are going to end up paying first round money for him. They won't be able to tie that much up into the linebacking position. The last time I looked we had a glut at that position with alot of young, untested players.

 

[CardShark]

If you want Trotter then let's let go of McKinnon and Darling. Was it Trotter that made the statement about wanting to play for the Cards after Green was hired? Didn't he just recently sign a new contract?

 

[spanky1]

Last time I checked Mac is also a tackling MLB machine

He'll get slaughtered in a 3-4 defensive scheme......

 

[CardShark]

What would be the cap hit of letting Darling go?

 

[azdad1978]

He'll get slaughtered in a 3-4 defensive scheme......

Who says were changing into 3-4 scheme?

 

[spanky1]

If you want Trotter then let's let go of McKinnon and Darling. Was it Trotter that made the statement about wanting to play for the Cards after Green was hired? Didn't he just recently sign a new contract?

If it happened that way, so be it. Trotter is a defeinite upgrade over them both. While he has played relatively injury free, someone has to be a backup, unless Issac Keys makes an impression.

As krang has indicated go visit www.nfl.com and click on the Redskins logo and then on their roster page. Trotter's bio speaks for a solid argument to look at him!