Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
It isn't pretty, but it doesn't have to be. Tebow is giving himself time to develop into a better passing QB by winning now.
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Minus the hype........ kind of like Skelton.
Treefiddy
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I'm not sure what it is about Tebow that makes him fun to watch. Maybe it's that I can see every millisecond of his 3 second release and think, "I can do that too!" Either way, I seem to be hooked every time I watch.
My wife is from Florida so she actually wanted to sit and watch this game because of Tebow. I enjoy that she's getting into football a bit more now, even if it's because she wants to try and rub it in my face because I said Tebow would suck as an NFL QB. I'm right when it comes to stats, she's right when it comes to wins. Only one of those really matter in the end though.
Tebow is getting all the attention now, but that defense is winning the games for them. Granted, Tebow's coming in strong at the end of the game for some fun finishes.
Hopefully Skelton can be our Tebow this year. I wouldn't mind being 4-1 with him starting after the next 3 games.
My wife is from Florida so she actually wanted to sit and watch this game because of Tebow. I enjoy that she's getting into football a bit more now, even if it's because she wants to try and rub it in my face because I said Tebow would suck as an NFL QB. I'm right when it comes to stats, she's right when it comes to wins. Only one of those really matter in the end though.
Tebow is getting all the attention now, but that defense is winning the games for them. Granted, Tebow's coming in strong at the end of the game for some fun finishes.
Hopefully Skelton can be our Tebow this year. I wouldn't mind being 4-1 with him starting after the next 3 games.
Most NFL DC's haven't coached college for a while so they are still scrambling to adapt their defense to a college offense.
I have no problem with Tebow or the Broncos, he seems like a genuinely good person. But does anyone really believe that now that there is some film out there that DC's aren't gonna figure this out? It's the Wildcat only worse. If Tebow isn't spending every waking moment of practice time trying to become a better passer he's kidding himself. The element of surprise only works so long Tim!
At some point Tebow will have to make some plays with his arm, and I will reserve my judgement of him as a pro until then. But yes, I agree, that was fun watching them do that to the J-E-T-S and their vaunted defense.
I have no problem with Tebow or the Broncos, he seems like a genuinely good person. But does anyone really believe that now that there is some film out there that DC's aren't gonna figure this out? It's the Wildcat only worse. If Tebow isn't spending every waking moment of practice time trying to become a better passer he's kidding himself. The element of surprise only works so long Tim!
At some point Tebow will have to make some plays with his arm, and I will reserve my judgement of him as a pro until then. But yes, I agree, that was fun watching them do that to the J-E-T-S and their vaunted defense.
I've seen it in the last couple games, his left tackle gets a down block on the defensive end and the wr get an out block on the OLB and poof.... the hole is there and he's gone. D coordinators will catch on to this quickly but so far Oakland, KC and the Jets havent done so.
I must admit, it's been fun to watch with my wife as she is a devout Bronco fan,,, I'm kinda rooting for the kid myself. Having to listen to 10 seconds of him praising his Lord and saviour is a small price to pay....hey it's entertainment...that's what I pay Directv for.
I can only watch so much of the Tom Bradys of the world... what the hell, let Teebow change it up a little bit to pull me out of my otherwise dull and drab life and enjoy the spectacle for as long as it lasts. Nooo, he's not going to make me a Bronco fan but it sure beats watching Tivo of Cards v Wash/Gints/Ravens/seattle/Vikes/stealers
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I must admit, it's been fun to watch with my wife as she is a devout Bronco fan,,, I'm kinda rooting for the kid myself. Having to listen to 10 seconds of him praising his Lord and saviour is a small price to pay....hey it's entertainment...that's what I pay Directv for.
I can only watch so much of the Tom Bradys of the world... what the hell, let Teebow change it up a little bit to pull me out of my otherwise dull and drab life and enjoy the spectacle for as long as it lasts. Nooo, he's not going to make me a Bronco fan but it sure beats watching Tivo of Cards v Wash/Gints/Ravens/seattle/Vikes/stealers
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I parlayed the Broncos to cover and the under tonight. Not so much because I respect Tebow, but I think the Jets are the most overrated team in the league and the Broncos have some great players on D.
I was tempted to bet Broncos to win and the under (woulda been a 6-1 payout) but a friend of mine mocked me out of it...
what was I thinking, all Tebow does is win win win no matter what.
But Tebows throwing motion is sooooooo bad. He looks like a pitcher throwing out of the stretch. Its the worst Ive seen at the NFL level.
I was tempted to bet Broncos to win and the under (woulda been a 6-1 payout) but a friend of mine mocked me out of it...
what was I thinking, all Tebow does is win win win no matter what.
But Tebows throwing motion is sooooooo bad. He looks like a pitcher throwing out of the stretch. Its the worst Ive seen at the NFL level.
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Jets beat themselves, and the biggest problem of the Jets is mexicano. Idk, how Ryan cannot realize that. He throws slants, some 5-6 yd passes, and thats almost it. His footwork is terrible, he is waiting in the pocket far too long and throws picks in bad situations. He is just bad, its that simple. Jets will not see a playoff with him under the center. Otherwise, they would be a very good team.
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He's NOTHING like Skelton.
Red Dawn
Go Big Red!
I'd listen to Kurt all day long if he would could back.
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I just meant they both seem to get it done in the fourth quarter.
Treefiddy
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There's a lot of QBs that get it done in the 4th Quarter.
One thing I like about Skelton is his release is like 5000% faster than Tebow's.
crisper57
Open the Roof!
Tebow is a winner. I can't explain how they take out a (relatively) more gifted QB who was losing, put this guy in, and suddenly the team can't lose.
I don't get it. How can no one stop this guy from closing?
I don't get it. How can no one stop this guy from closing?
kerouac9
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Which of these guys would you definitely take ahead of Mark Sanchez right now?
Colt McCoy, Tim Tebow, John Beck/Rex Grossman, Matt Moore, Carson Palmer, Tavaris Jackson, John Skelton/Kevin Kolb, Sam Bradford, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Christian Ponder, Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert, Curtis Painter, and Alex Smith.
No? Well, that's 14 of 32 QBs. Then you're looking at Andy Dalton (rook who hasn't played anyone), Josh Freeman (regressing this season for some reason), Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan (waiting for him to win his first big game), and Matt Stafford (who's coming back to the pack the last three weeks--still think he's a Top 5 QB?). Jay Cutler has definitely leap-frogged Sanchez, and Tony Romo is probably above him, too.
I think I had Sanchez at 8 in my QB power rankings. Were I to re-do them today, I'd probably go Rodgers (1), Brady (2), Roethlisberger (3), Brees (4), Rivers (5--I still believe), Jay Cutler (6), Eli Manning (7), Tony Romo (8), Matt Stafford (9), Matt Schaub (10).
If you want to quibble over whether Sanchez is the 10th vs. 12th-best QB in the NFL right now, then I'll concede the point. It's mid-November, though. There's lots of football left to play. I'll still take the guy who has won in January over a bunch of guys who haven't been there before.
I'd love to see where I said that Von Miller was going to be a bust. I thought he was a bad fit to scheme as OLB in a 3-4 defense because he's not stout enough to stand up against the run, and not particularly interested in defending against it. He was benched from the base offense earlier this season because that was true. I haven't watched any Denver games this season, so I can't really speak to it. But I'm not sure how Von Miller's play as an SLB in a 4-3 defense has a ton of bearing on projecting Miller to WOLB in a 3-4 defense. No one disputed that he could rush the passer coming into the draft. My concern was drafting him 5th overall when he hasn't shown interest in defending the run.
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crisper57
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With the Jets receivers, I would, without question, take Ryan, Vick, Newton and Gabbert over Sanchez. I could easily be convinced to take Palmer, Smith, Hasselbeck, Flacco and Freeman over Sanchez. Sanchez' failure to throw last night and against the Patriots have to cause a TON of concern to the Jets. The Pats were playing some serious scrubs.
azsportsfan01
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It annoys me that everyone everywhere is talking about Tebow's will to win. So the other 52 guys didn't do a damn thing? Without the pick 6 Tebow's last drive is meaningless. He does nothing for 58 minutes and then he has a decent drive and everyone goes nuts. If any other QB goes 11/28 for 173 yards in a game people would say he needs to be benched. Tebow has to take 2 games to get those kinds of stats. That tells me the Broncos are winning in spite of their QB.
Ya, the Teboners are out of hand. The Bronco D was the winner in that game.
kerouac9
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Totally forgot about Vick when I was making my list. But I'm not sure right now he'd be above anyone in my Top 10, either.
"With the Jets' receivers"?! I love me some Santonio Holmes, but Plaxico Burress has nothing in the tank and can't get separation from anyone. I'd take the receiving corps in Atlanta and Philly over what they have in New Jersey.
I'd take Newton for the long term, but he's struggled this season getting Ws, and the offense that Gabbert is running makes Tim Tebow's look complicated. Matt Ryan is the most overrated quarterback in the NFL. Matty Slush.
The Denver defense is better than you think, but in personnel and performance. Unfortunately for Sanchez, the Jets' running game has not produced at it's usual level, and their defense doesn't have a matchup pass rusher. And they were playing on four days' prep flying across the country after playing on Sunday night. That was a game the Jets were going to lose.
And despite all that, are people going to be that surprised when the Jets go 5-1 the rest of the way (BUF, @WAS, KC, @PHI, NYG, @MIA) and go to the playoffs on a Wild Card?
It's crazy to me that people forget that Sanchez is 4-2 in the playoffs without ever having a home game. I get that the NFL is a week-to-week league, but to discount that kind of success to me is just mind-boggling.
Blaine Gabbert?! Seriously? ?!?!?!?!?
Ok, maybe not Gabbert. But Ryan will at least try to throw downfield. Ryan isn't as overrated as Stafford/Bradford. And Flacco is having a rough year, but his post season record is decent. I think.
I also think the Schotty Jr's offense isn't helping Sanchez. I just cannot stand watching the ground and pound. Burris is no burner but he is fine against a secondary as pourous as NE is. Sanchez has the weapons; he should feel free to stop dinking and dunking.
kerouac9
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I'll add this in defense of Sanchez: his offensive line is dreadful. D'Brickashaw Ferguson (who many here will be calling for this offseason as a free agent replacement for Levi Brown) is awful. He's nearly as awful and Levi Brown. They have no answer at Right Tackle (Wayne Hunter? Really?!). Their only above-average OL is Nick Mangold, and he's been banged up all year. Everyone else might be well below-average.
Like Alex Smith, Carson Palmer, Joe Flacco, and many other QBs, Mark Sanchez is a guy who has to be managed. There's no question about that. I think that Kurt Schottenheimer's offense is still a work in progress for the Jets; they're continually trying things to see if they'll work and then dialing back the playbook to what Sanchez can manage and succeed with.
As Duck said in another thread, there's really nothing wrong with that. There should be more of it around the NFL.
How long has Sanchez been on the Jets? With that same staff? How long does it take to find an offense that works for him? That is why I would be willing to go with some of the younger dudes. If you are going to have to "manage" go with potential.
EDIT: you are right about that o-line. Despite Collinsworth saying D-Brick is "one of the best pass blockers in the league, he looked Levi-like against Andre Carter.
Too bad for both Colt and the Cardinals that the Browns got him before we could in round 3. McCoy was the perfect guy to come in and take over CKW's system.
Just think what a QB who has completed 67.5% of his passes at 7.3ypa over the last 3 games for the hapless Browns could do with our offense.
kerouac9
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How long has Sanchez been on the Jets? With that same staff? How long does it take to find an offense that works for him? That is why I would be willing to go with some of the younger dudes. If you are going to have to "manage" go with potential.
EDIT: you are right about that o-line. Despite Collinsworth saying D-Brick is "one of the best pass blockers in the league, he looked Levi-like against Andre Carter.
It's his third year with the same staff. His completion percentage and rating have gone up every year. Clearly he's not good enough right now, but he was also really inexperienced coming out of college (I think only one full year as a starter). He's only 25 years old.
The Jets are 29th in the NFL right now in YPC, and among the 10 worst in rush yards per game. That and the OL are the real problems with the Jets' offense right now, not Mark Sanchez.
Sanchez is, without question, a problem for the offense. Throw downfield.
