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Jets Get Third Overall Pick
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Minski
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This is how I see it really. If we don’t address a QB in round 1 with any of the top 5 being there then in my mind Keim is too scared to put himself out there, especially if one of the top 4 falls to 7-10 you have to go get him.
It’s setting up to easily at the moment for Keim to say “our guy was gone”.
Personally something just feels meh about the guys outside the top 5 QBs. Especially Rudolph, but that is not really based on anything, just feels like a major consolation prize
TheCardFan
Things have changed.
He was a second rd pick, which is a different conversation all together.
Not really though. We drafted late 1st round, and Carr went early 2nd. Right before we picked Buc, the ESPN talking heads started showing Derek Carr highlights and guessing he was our pick. Lots of mocks at the time had us taking him. You asked when the last time we passed on a franchise QB was in the 1st, Carr was it. Obvious ppl can talk about Russell Wilson, Dak, or whoever. But many thought we were taking Carr with that pick.
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gmabel830
It's football season!!
I know it's ridiculously early and so much can change, but the 2019 crop of QBs doesn't appear to be strong. I just saw a mock that had the Michigan and Northwestern QBs being the only top of the first round QB picks, and I don't remember either setting the world on fire last year. Whereas a year ago with this class, Darnold, Rosen and Allen already had a considerable amount of buzz and guys like Jackson, Mayfield and Rudolph were already household names to college football fans.
Just something to keep in mind if the draft doesn't shake out the way Keim likes and we go with what we have for another year.
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Just something to keep in mind if the draft doesn't shake out the way Keim likes and we go with what we have for another year.
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TheCardFan
Things have changed.
I said 1st rd QB (QB taken in the first rd that we passed on). Again, this conversation is about taking 1 of the top 5 rated QB's in rd 1. The odds are 1 out of 5 will be a franchise QB and the other point is the Cardinals have not been "scared" to take a QB in rd 1. History tells us they have been smart.
2nd rd and beyond is a different debate. Carr was not considered one of the top players or QB's available...that was Blake Bortles and Johnny Manziel, which futher males the point on high 1st rd QB misses. There are some of those guys in this draft as well (Rudolph?).
I agree with you that we should have drafted Carr vs Buc.
yeah.... been keeping that in mind. this was our year and we missed it. Likely be fielding retreads for the next five or six years now. Or fourth round picks with "Moxie" and "Potential"
juza76
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Keim doesnt have to be scared drafting a qb in the 1st round even if the top 5 qb's are gone
Instead of being scared about making the pick he should consider how many wasted picks he made in the 1st using his safety plan...
Instead of being scared about making the pick he should consider how many wasted picks he made in the 1st using his safety plan...
juza76
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We need to get our qb at 15
Rudolph
Lamar
Lauletta
Probably they shouldnt be 1st rounder and maybe they are not franchise qb's but who knows if u dont pull the trigger
Rudolph
Lamar
Lauletta
Probably they shouldnt be 1st rounder and maybe they are not franchise qb's but who knows if u dont pull the trigger
Rudolph is 2nd round talent, don't reach at 15 for him. I wouldn't mind Lamar at 15, but will cardinals brass think he is worth it at 15 or a reach? I mean there are going to be some studs there at 15 on both sides of the ball.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
I won't be melting down, because I already know he won't. I'll just be full of "Told ya so".
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We may have a better draft if we don't take a qb until Day 3. However, I think he will take either Jackson, Rudolph or Laulettta on Day 2. Trying to move up now to take one of the top 4 will be way to costly. Additionally, IMO they are overrated.
I think that is perfectly said, Bucky. It’s always “well, next year will be a great year for quarterbacks” or “maybe they should find one next year instead”. I think you have to decide when the time is and then be willing to take the risk that goes with it. I don’t know if the Panthers had Cam Newton at the top of their draft board, or if the Redskins had Robert Griffin at the top of theirs, or if the Texans had Deshaun Watson the highest, but those team took a chance and went for the jackpot. I think that is the way to do it when you don't have a franchise quarterback.
We should just move up to #1 if we feel strongly about Allen or Darnold. Otherwise, I'm fine with waiting until next season or rolling the dice in the later rounds.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Yeah, we've put it off for years now, and it's turned out soooo well for us. What's another year?
Well, I certainly don’t want them to draft a quarterback just to do it. I think you are right in that aspect. They must believe he can become a good starter before they bring him in. Otherwise it would be crazy to do so. My take is build on the assumption that there is that guy in this draft class.
WildBB
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Problem is if you give up too much to move up high, you also sacrifice putting enough talent around him on the field. I've been checking in on the Jets' website. Many aren't happy about giving up the three 2nd's to move up 3 spots. Moving up into the top 5 costs you all of your high picks this and next year. They don't have that luxury. Maybe to jump up ahead of the Bills is doable if they really want, say Mayfield and he's hanging around. Then it will still cost this and next years #2's.
I'm not sure what the compensation would be on that outdated JJ chart. The Jets overpaid by 540 points to move from 6 to 3. I think the Cardinals would be looking at having to overpay by at least the same to try to leapfrog Buffalo.
You are right that they would sacrifice the opportunity to select potential studs with the picks they used in a trade. I just think the counter argument must be that your team won’t go far without good quarterback play. I know you could point to the Vikings or the Eagles last season, but those teams got good quarterback play. It just wasn’t from perceived good quarterbacks over a longer period.
I don’t know if you can plan to do what the Seahawks did some years ago where they drafted a quarterback and inserted him on a very good team that they had assembled over years. Or like the Vikings that now gets to insert a good quarterback on an already very good team. I think that is something that can happen when you have great coaches that can develop enough of the players you have drafted, but in my mind the most obvious way to a successful team is to get a good quarterback and then build around him.
