Jets to Hire Rod Graves

[earthsci]

You are right we can't blame him really. Rod Graves was nothing but a figurehead. I doubt he ever had any say in anything. A yes man for the Bidwills and the coach of the month and nothing more.

Meanwhile it looks like Keim might actually have been given the power to be a real GM.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Ridiculous argument. You'd have to compare him to other front office personnel with the same amount of experience and rising through the ranks to judge whether or not he was successful. I could extrapolate some #'s for you if you want: he's our only GM to take us to a SB in AZ. The only GM to take us to a championship since they were the Chicago Cardinals. Championship games matter. Did he make mistakes? Yep. All GM's do. Even the best ones.

We got spoiled in a good way after the SB in '08. We expect more.

Ridiculous argument ? Why cause it goes against your belief that Rod Graves was a victim of circumstance ? Fine! Right back at you. Your opinion of Graves being successful is just as ridiculous since we would have to compare his success to other front office personnel with the same amount of experience and rising through the ranks to judge whether or not he was successful.

Or we can just look at the fact, and results of the organization while under his guidance, which, you know, is how you determine such things, and how it is determined by about 99% of the sporting world.

Winning seasons ? Under 10%. Make all the excuses you want, that is failure.

Plenty of other GM's whom have been put in bad situations that turned teams around.

He is not one of them.

By the way, WINNING championships matter. Nobody remembers the runner up, so again, Graves didn't accomplish winning a championship either.

As for spoiled ? Really ? You are going there? Cardinals fans are spoiled ? LOL. ..... .I mean LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I am a Penguins fan in hockey, so I have experienced what a successful team looks like, how it is run, and what a spoiled fans expectations are.

A spoiled fan base doesn't go into seasons thinking "If we are .500 that is going to be great" yet as Cardinals fans that is almost an annual occurrence, and all the while under what GM ?

Rod Graves


I mean, I am used to posters making claims for players that have left the team to be future hall of famers, but now we are over-hyping GM's that were with the team for almost 2 decades, and produced some of the worst teams in the NFL ever ?

Rod Graves is the GM for the "Same Ol' Cardinals" Yeah, what a legacy, and how spoiled we are because of it !

 

[Cardiac]

Ridiculous argument ? Why cause it goes against your belief that Rod Graves was a victim of circumstance ? Fine! Right back at you. Your opinion of Graves being successful is just as ridiculous since we would have to compare his success to other front office personnel with the same amount of experience and rising through the ranks to judge whether or not he was successful.

Or we can just look at the fact, and results of the organization while under his guidance, which, you know, is how you determine such things, and how it is determined by about 99% of the sporting world.

Winning seasons ? Under 10%. Make all the excuses you want, that is failure.

Plenty of other GM's whom have been put in bad situations that turned teams around.

He is not one of them.

I don't think anyone here is saying Graves is the best GM in football. I will say that Graves was the best GM the Cards have ever had. Yes the bar was set about 1 inch above the ground so he had an easy road to being better than his predecessor's.

I'm glad Michael has decided to move on from Graves and it appears that Keim was an outstanding choice. I don't think Graves would have made all these offseason moves or will ever have the "Big Dog" mentality that Keim does and that's what this team needs.

So yes I do grade RG's performance on a curve because he spent a majority of his tenure trying to drag Bill Sr. out of the stone age. I'm glad he has another job now and the wackiness that is the Jets organization could probably use his calming influence.

 

[Duckjake]

I don't think anyone here is saying Graves is the best GM in football. I will say that Graves was the best GM the Cards have ever had. Yes the bar was set about 1 inch above the ground so he had an easy road to being better than his predecessor's.

I'm glad Michael has decided to move on from Graves and it appears that Keim was an outstanding choice. I don't think Graves would have made all these offseason moves or will ever have the "Big Dog" mentality that Keim does and that's what this team needs.

So yes I do grade RG's performance on a curve because he spent a majority of his tenure trying to drag Bill Sr. out of the stone age. I'm glad he has another job now and the wackiness that is the Jets organization could probably use his calming influence.

Have the Cards ever really had a GM? They've had Dollar Bill and his crony George Boone but they've never really had a true GM with any authority. Hopefully Keim will be the first real one for the franchise.

 

[PDXChris]

Have the Cards ever really had a GM? They've had Dollar Bill and his crony George Boone but they've never really had a true GM with any authority. Hopefully Keim will be the first real one for the franchise.

Bob Ferguson

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I don't think anyone here is saying Graves is the best GM in football. I will say that Graves was the best GM the Cards have ever had. Yes the bar was set about 1 inch above the ground so he had an easy road to being better than his predecessor's.

I'm glad Michael has decided to move on from Graves and it appears that Keim was an outstanding choice. I don't think Graves would have made all these offseason moves or will ever have the "Big Dog" mentality that Keim does and that's what this team needs.

So yes I do grade RG's performance on a curve because he spent a majority of his tenure trying to drag Bill Sr. out of the stone age. I'm glad he has another job now and the wackiness that is the Jets organization could probably use his calming influence.

So, Graves followed the status quo of suckage for the Cardinals.

Uh, good for him I guess.

 

[Duckjake]

Bob Ferguson

If I remember correctly Ferguson was completely handcuffed by the Bidwills.

That's why he was GM for 7 years and it seems like he was there for 2. That the Cards had the same problems with Ferguson as GM as they did with Graves tells us all we need to know about that position with Arizona.

 

[Cardiac]

So, Graves followed the status quo of suckage for the Cardinals.

Uh, good for him I guess.

Except he raised the status quo to the tune of two NFC West division titles, a SB appearance. Graves as "GM" won more playoff games then any other Cards GM in the modern era.

It's one thing to build a house without any obstacles and another to build it in a swamp with no budget and Mr. McGoo as your boss.

It frustrates me when fans don't or won't recognize how pitiful and dysfunctional this team since Bill Sr. was in charge. Graves pulled, pushed and prodded Bowtie to move into the 19th century and he did make progress.

Okay, I gotta get off my and say this. Graves at best was a decent GM. My point is that he did some good with the Cards and helped change some of the big issues with the HUGE culture problem caused by Bill Sr. Once again I'm glad Keim is now in charge, Graves wasn't the long term answer but he did accomplish more than any other GM in Cards history.

 

[Cardiac]

If I remember correctly Ferguson was completely handcuffed by the Bidwills.

That's why he was GM for 7 years and it seems like he was there for 2. That the Cards had the same problems with Ferguson as GM as they did with Graves tells us all we need to know about that position with Arizona.

This is the main point. Lombardi, Landry, Billicheat, Ozzie Newsome and etc. would have all struggled working with Bill Sr.

 

[ARZCardinals]

That crazy

 

[waterboy]

But he also brought in such all stars in:

Skillet hands Johnston, Kenny King, stepanovich, Navarre, Eric Green, Blackstock, Elton Brown, Lance Mitchell, Thesmel Leinart , Pope, Brandon Johnson, Todd Watkins, Turnstile Brown , Branch, Buster Davis, Harrington, Keith, Red Cross Wells , Cody freaking Brown , Herman Johnson, Will Davis, Schohawk, Row 27 Skelton , Dray, Red Cross Williams, Sturdivant, Sampson, Lindley

How bout letting go of: Deuce, Dansby, Reggie Wells, Rolle, Antonio Smith, Pace, Big Davis, TJ, Q

And finally the great FA signings of:

Al bum knees Johnson, Adam not even CFL Snyder, Bryan toast McFadden, Dewreck Anderson, etc

The most brilliant move the Cards ever made was firing the human snail IMO. If Chilidog Green had never had the 2004 draft class & signed #13 ol' Rod would've never sniffed a SB & been fired 5 years ago.

Nice guy...bad GM who I despised while he was in control.

This. And let KW test the waters in San Fran. That was embarrassing. Also, had no influence on Whiz or held him accountable for inability to obtain and develop o-line talent and retain Russ Grimm. I'm sure that Graves is a very nice man and stayed around because of the tremendous loyalty of the Bidwill family. Mike B has finally broken that habit and I look forward to accountability for staff and players alike. Should be a great team effort by he, Keim and BA.