JJ Watt signs with AZ

[Vacard]

Well is he better then Dwight Freeney when he played here?? Even he made made some game-ending sacks for us. I remember he was put in for passing downs and wasn’t an all-down DE at that time.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Well, I know we will all be rooting for him, but I have a couple of thoughts.

One being, comparing a big name player's contract to what it would have cost you to simply draft the top player at that position and get a 21 year old and have him for 5 years on a rookie contract. Then have all that money to upgrade lesser priced positions. The main caveat being you should pretty much know what you are paying for as opposed to if the rookie will be a bust or not.

The second being, how many positions could you upgrade through FA for the same amount of money, thus freeing up those draft picks you would have had to use on those same positions, minus the top pick you used to draft the player you chose in place of signing that big name player.

I always seem to favor using your cap money to upgrade as many positions of need that you can. Use your draft picks to fill the positions which would normally cost you the most money in FA signings. That way you get more talent spread throughout your team, as well as making it easier to replace more downed players who aren't so dang expensive.

I suppose I am just more of a practical frugal spending person, rather than a big splash sort of guy.

 

[blindseyed]

If he can make it 10 games then it's worth it I suppose, but the biggest thing for me is that he brings his his intensity and leadership to a team that really doesn't have any and I'm including KK in that, I'm echoing Cheese on this point , we really need that leadership right now

 

[BritCard]

Agreed.

What are people really mad at? $2 million to $4 million dollars?

It's silly

I don't think Watt is overpaid. He was always getting paid this money, although the G money is high.

My issue was I don't think its the right move for this team, but I'm just going to enjoy it and hope for the best.

 

[blindseyed]

The butt hurt is strong in this “coach”

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That's definitely a sour grapes post from someone who is a big baby, I've never once heard anything like this from any coaches or players that have played with him

 

[Chris_Sanders]

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Must be City Hall

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We could let Reddick walk, re-sign Golden and draft Ojulari or Oweh or Rousseau in round 1. As long as we sign Corey Linsley, Brandon Scherff or Taylor Moton in FA, we are still good. Building the lines.

While I agree that’s what we should do, I highly doubt we sign any of those guys. Not very keimy

 

[Goldfield]

Since Keim can't draft, time to trade for Gilmore!

That was my thought after the Watt signing.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Gotta give it up for SK. Drafting is not a strong point, but he’s quite good with FA signings. And Watt may be somewhat of a risk, but I have to believe that a motivated Watt should be a force. Plus, the guy’s a HOFer as regards community outreach. I see this as all positive.

Uh other than like two keim time old man signings way back when what big hits has he had in the free agent market?

 

[Shane]

Uh other than like two keim time old man signings way back when what big hits has he had in the free agent market?

obviously subjective based on opinions but I’d say the following were good signings and impactful in an overall positive way... Age is really irrelevant.


1. Dwight Freeney
2. John Abraham
3. Mike Iupati
4. Corey Peters
5. Andy Lee
6. Jordan Hicks(not perfect and slow in coverage but he is a good player)
7. Karlos Dansby
8. Antoine Bethea
9. Jared Veldheer
10. Antonio Cromartie
11. Lorenzo Alexander

and there may be a couple I’m missing

 

[football karma]

if the Chase Edmonds theory is valid (i.e. cap constraints mean lots of one year contracts and Super Teams)

adding JJ Watt is a super team keystone piece you can recruit from

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

obviously subjective based on opinions but I’d say the following were good signings and impactful in an overall positive way... Age is really irrelevant.


1. Dwight Freeney
2. John Abraham
3. Mike Iupati
4. Corey Peters
5. Andy Lee
6. Jordan Hicks(not perfect and slow in coverage but he is a good player)
7. Karlos Dansby
8. Antoine Bethea
9. Jared Veldheer
10. Antonio Cromartie
11. Lorenzo Alexander

lol cmon Shane.

old guy prove it deals that didn’t last more than a year:
Cromartie
Abraham
Freeney
Dansby
Bethea

special teamer and punter?!?
Lorenzo
Lee

really comes down to:
IUpati - good but not great signing
Veldheer - very good signing
Peters - solid but unspectacular signing
Hicks - average signing

in comparison to his drafting this is I suppose okay. But there’s not a pro bowler among them. In how many years?

 

[HairZach]

I'm seeing reports the Browns and Colts offered him more money than we did. Looks like Hopkins recruiting may have helped us out.

 

[Russ Smith]

Wouldn't it be crazy if instead of JJ teaming up with his brothers in Pittsburgh, TJ Watt winds up joining his brother JJ in Arizona in the future?

he's in the option year of his rookie deal and reportedly one of the reasons they were not a serious contender for JJ is they have so much money to deal with already and are going to have trouble keeping players.

It'll never happen but imagine a world where TJ Watt is a FA next year and wants to join his brother in Arizona.

 

[Goldfield]

my sadness could turn to joy if they bring back Reddick. But I’m super dubious there. Losing that youth AND sorely needed speed on this defense will hurt more than people expect, IMO.

That I agree with

 

[GatorAZ]

F the cap. Trade for Lattimore.

 

[JeffGollin]

Chandler Jones and JJ Watt on the same side. lol

Does this mean that we'll plug in Simmons as a dynamic safety opposite Budda?

 

[Shane]

F the cap. Trade for Lattimore.

You know he sucks right

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well is he better then Dwight Freeney when he played here?? Even he made made some game-ending sacks for us. I remember he was put in for passing downs and wasn’t an all-down DE at that time.

Freeney cost 1 million dollars. Not 15 million.

 

[Shane]

lol cmon Shane.

old guy prove it deals that didn’t last more than a year:
Cromartie
Abraham
Freeney
Dansby
Bethea

special teamer and punter?!?
Lorenzo
Lee

really comes down to:
IUpati - good but not great signing
Veldheer - very good signing
Peters - solid but unspectacular signing
Hicks - average signing

in comparison to his drafting this is I suppose okay. But there’s not a pro bowler among them. In how many years?

ok now your moving the goalposts... we’re they good and successful while here? 1 year? 2 years. Doesn’t matter success is success. Abraham in his one year was IMO worthy of a PB. But in the end PBs don’t matter.

Lorenzo Neal became much more then just a STer for us he accumulated 8 sacks the year we went to the NFC champ game and was a solid reason for the success of the team that year as a situational pass rusher as well.

Do you not value Andy Lees contributions to the team? I’m confused on what you consider good then.

 

[Russ Smith]

Speaking of moving the goalposts, if Zane is the kicker next year we may have to do that to make sure the FG's go through.

Do the Texans have a good kicker we can steal?

 

[Shane]

Speaking of moving the goalposts, if Zane is the kicker next year we may have to do that to make sure the FG's go through.

Do the Texans have a good kicker we can steal?

lol that’s funny

 

[Russ Smith]

Speaking of moving the goalposts, if Zane is the kicker next year we may have to do that to make sure the FG's go through.

Do the Texans have a good kicker we can steal?

how did I forget it was Fairbairn? Not a strong enough leg, pretty accurate but can't make the 55 yarder to win it

 

[Cheesebeef]

ok now your moving the goalposts... we’re they good and successful while here? 1 year? 2 years. Doesn’t matter success is success. Abraham in his one year was IMO worthy of a PB. But in the end PBs don’t matter.

Lorenzo Neal became much more then just a STer for us he accumulated 8 sacks the year we went to the NFC champ game and was a solid reason for the success of the team that year as a situational pass rusher as well.

Do you not value Andy Lees contributions to the team? I’m confused on what you consider good then.

Shane... WTF are you talking about? First, Lorenzo Neal was never on this team. Lorenzo Alexander was the ST ace who’s greatest season for us produced... 1 sack. His other season produced... O SACKS. He almost NEVER saw actual snaps on D nor was he in any way shape or form a consistent part of that NFC title game defense.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlexLo99.htm

one season he had... 13 total tackles and the other had a whopping FOUR.

and actually Shane, YOU moved the goalposts. Ouchie and Chopper were talking about Keim going out and signing BIG TIME BIG MONEY FAs. Those were the guys in Choppers post that Ouchie said we never sign those type of bank busters. Which we very very rarely do.

you listed a bunch of one year prove me guys who ENDED UP being productive for a season. But that’s a totally different type of FA then the big money Guards and Defensive Players Chopper was talking about.

 

[GatorAZ]

You know he sucks right

He may have had a down year but his track record is legit.