Jordan Phillips signed for 3 years

[outcent13]

I mean Drake was in Miami for a while too before having a breakout half of a season on a new team. Maybe Phillips is that guy from last year or close to it and not the guy that played in Miami?

 

[slanidrac16]

I can agree with this statement. But in the larger scope of things, I'm so happy about Hopkins that I don't have the energy to be frustrated about it. Of course, we'll see how the rest of FA/the draft goes.

If he's the only way significant way we address the DL the rest of the offseason, I won't be happy.

Edit: To avoid double posting, I'll respond to @slanidrac16 here - this just echoes some of our arguments, my friend. It's tough to keep believing that we're signing all of these players who are "just hitting their stride" but haven't ever really done much. Is it really that tough for us to bring in someone who has been a consistent player?

I can't remember this strategy from Keim any time before this Kingsbury year.

I get it. But I welcome this approach rather than signing a 35 year old player on the downside. When we signed Suggs I had to really pump myself up with the thought that maybe he had a little left in the tank.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I believe we can make whatever money we need by restructuring.

Possibly, but won't that create problems down the road? I just feel we have lots of holes, and limited cap space. To commit the majority of our available funds to a one year wonder with questionable grades doesn't seem to be a wise use of resources.

 

[Zeno]

So you're saying there is no way to predict how a player will perform, based on 5 years of prior performance, and nothing that he's done indicates anything about whether or not he'll be a good signing moving forward.

I am saying there is no GUARANTEE that what he did prior to playing in Buffalo is indicative of what type of player he is moving forward. It's like the bad argument that Kenyan Drake that we saw last season in our offense was more of a fluke and what we should expect is what he was in Miami.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I am saying there is no GUARANTEE that what he did prior to playing in Buffalo is indicative of what type of player he is moving forward. It's like the bad argument that Kenyan Drake that we saw last season in our offense was more of a fluke and what we should expect is what he was in Miami.

Some of you are putting a lot of stock into the "Miami stink" theory.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

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Nice to see we are now a team people are taking less to come to.

 

[Mainstreet]

Cardinals have added DeAndre Hopkins, traded away David Johnson, have exclusive rights on Justin Murray, tendered Zane Gonzalez and added Jordan Phillips. And free agency is not done.

Lots of excitement ahead. This frees the Cardinals hands in the draft.

 

[outcent13]

Some of you are putting a lot of stock into the "Miami stink" theory.

No more than you are putting into the Jordan Phillips Stinks theory. Miami, I would argue, has more of a track record.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

No more than you are putting into the Jordan Phillips Stinks theory. Miami, I would argue, has more of a track record.

Here's hoping Jordan proves me wrong!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Possibly, but won't that create problems down the road? I just feel we have lots of holes, and limited cap space. To commit the majority of our available funds to a one year wonder with questionable grades doesn't seem to be a wise use of resources.

Not really. We still have 10 million of dead space this year. So you can restructure knowing that you are effectively gaining 10 million more in years 2 and 3

 

[GuernseyCard]

I HOPE he is the second coming of Aaron Donald, but hope is not a plan, and nothing that he's done so far as an NFL player indicates that last year is anything other than an outlier. Clearly the Bills thought so, as they had plenty of cap space, and didn't make any effort to re-sign him.



You can believe whatever the hell you want, but it doesn't make your opinion as valid as others. Plenty of people have presented loads of evidence that last year was a fluke. You defend all that with nothing other than "my belief is last year is more typical of what we will get that (sic) what he put up previously".

Please indicate why you believe as much, other than kool aid optimism.

Don't overstate your case.

There is a report that there was competition for his services, including the Bills, and that he left money on the table to join the Cards and coaches who are familiar with him.

What you term an outlier is simply part of his body of work to date and his new found comfort in a 3-4 scheme and, at 27, your pessimism is hardly warranted

P.S. it's not your money to manage.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am neither excited or disappointed here. Is it better than last year? Heck yes! Does it seem like an overpay? Heck yes!

Maybe a B - sort of move with some room to move between B+ and C -

 

[gimpy]

Man, I am so upset that we signed a DT that had 9 sacks last year. I'm sure we could have found someone who only had one or two?

 

[GuernseyCard]

Possibly, but won't that create problems down the road? I just feel we have lots of holes, and limited cap space. To commit the majority of our available funds to a one year wonder with questionable grades doesn't seem to be a wise use of resources.

We had $50m in dead $ at the end of last season and beat the Seahags in there house.

 

[football karma]

Does it seem like an overpay? Heck yes!

its a fair statement, but this also describes like 90% of the transactions in the first week of free agency

 

[GuernseyCard]

Some of you are putting a lot of stock into the "Miami stink" theory.

... because it can be found throughout the league.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Hahaha sure the Hopkins trade helped

Good having a few big names on offense as well!

Yup, the more the Offense stays on the field, guys like Phillips can be more effective on Defense.

 

[PJ1]

I mean Drake was in Miami for a while too before having a breakout half of a season on a new team. Maybe Phillips is that guy from last year or close to it and not the guy that played in Miami?

Great point. Have to take some chances.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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I can’t remember a time that a FA from another team took less to come to AZ.

 

[Minski]

So you're saying there is no way to predict how a player will perform, based on 5 years of prior performance, and nothing that he's done indicates anything about whether or not he'll be a good signing moving forward.

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Ask Suggs about that one, he had way more than 5 years of awesome production

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Don't overstate your case.

You're going to have to be a little more specific than that.

There is a report that there was competition for his services, including the Bills, and that he left money on the table to join the Cards and coaches who are familiar with him.

Great, who cares?

What you term an outlier is simply part of his body of work to date and his new found comfort in a 3-4 scheme and, at 27, your pessimism is hardly warranted

Ha, most of the board had no idea who Jordan Phillips was before this morning. Now please tell me what he's done to warrant 10M per year in his 5 years in the league. His production so far doesn't match his contract - you want to pay 10M per year for hope?

P.S. it's not your money to manage.

Nor is it yours. What's your point?

Look at the list of DT's that make 10M plus - please explain to me why Phillips deserves to be in this group.

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[ASUCHRIS]

Ask Suggs about that one, he had way more than 5 years of awesome production

Nice straw man. Everyone knew that Suggs was cooked, which is why the Ravens let him go.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

You know, a team drafts a player and we always talk about how said players will need to be coached up and given time to develop.

Everybody has an opinion of any player signed, traded, or cut.

This kid is just reaching his prime. The Bills has Oliver so it makes sense to let Phillips walk. But don’t you think it’s at least possible he has reached his stride and ready to excel?

He’s 27 years old and let’s not say it’s 10 m a year until we see the details.

This...The Bills drafted Oliver to be a starter, as pretty much any other team would have done. Nobody saw Phillips coming in, to a change of scenery and scheme, and being able to take snaps away from the stud draft pick let alone start over him and do well.

 

[PJ1]

Man, I am so upset that we signed a DT that had 9 sacks last year. I'm sure we could have found someone who only had one or two?

Agreed. His sacks came against bad teams? LOL...Since everyone plays against bad teams does each team have a interior lineman with that many sacks?...No they don't.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I HOPE he is the second coming of Aaron Donald, but hope is not a plan, and nothing that he's done so far as an NFL player indicates that last year is anything other than an outlier. Clearly the Bills thought so, as they had plenty of cap space, and didn't make any effort to re-sign him.



You can believe whatever the hell you want, but it doesn't make your opinion as valid as others. Plenty of people have presented loads of evidence that last year was a fluke. You defend all that with nothing other than "my belief is last year is more typical of what we will get that (sic) what he put up previously".

Please indicate why you believe as much, other than kool aid optimism.

Your argument is good enough that you don’t need to make stuff up. Someone already reported that the Bills were competition for his services. So they must’ve made an offer. Just weren’t ready to pony up what we did. Which is normal for bad teams with a need trying to pry a player away from a playoff team that already has a replacement.