Jordan Schultz Tweet: Suns now Frontrunner for Amar'e

[Covert Rain]

I guess it's appropriate the Suns have a huge retirement fanbase during the Winter.

 

[Errntknght]

I don't think anyone questions that Amare is well past his prime, but the question is not "is Amare still as good as he was in 2010?" its "Is Amare a better backup big option than what we currently have available"?, and the answer that question is quite a resounding 'yes'.

I've railed against bringing him back for 5 years, but that was when people were talking about trading for his joke of a contract, in this situation we'd be signing him for peanuts.

Tyson Chandler is the same age as Amare and he is having a career year... I'm not kidding, he's hitting career highs in almost every category - FG%, rebounds, FT%, assist to TO ratio. And I thought Dallas would regret paying him 14 million. Heck, if Rajon really hits his stride Dallas is going to be a serious contender.

 

[elindholm]

He's been surprisingly healthy this year and has been playing well.

I agree, but his surprising health is a trap; it's only a matter of time until he breaks down again. He has been coming off the bench almost exclusively the last three seasons, and has still played in barely half of his team's games.

But I like him off the bench better than I do Plumlee. If someone is going to get killed defensively they may as well be able to match it on the other end, which Plumlee cannot do.

The problem is that if Stoudemire's offense is enough to keep him on the court, all it does is more fully ingrain the very culture the Suns need to move past. If Plumlee isn't getting it done, he just sits, end of story. That won't happen with Stoudemire.

 

[Phrazbit]

I agree, but his surprising health is a trap; it's only a matter of time until he breaks down again. He has been coming off the bench almost exclusively the last three seasons, and has still played in barely half of his team's games.



The problem is that if Stoudemire's offense is enough to keep him on the court, all it does is more fully ingrain the very culture the Suns need to move past. If Plumlee isn't getting it done, he just sits, end of story. That won't happen with Stoudemire.

There is no commitment though, if Amare falls on his face I fully expect that he'd end up on the pine. Aging vets who just suffered the indignation of buyouts are hardly in the catagory of stars who need to be coddled with playing time.

 

[Mainstreet]

The problem is that if Stoudemire's offense is enough to keep him on the court, all it does is more fully ingrain the very culture the Suns need to move past. If Plumlee isn't getting it done, he just sits, end of story. That won't happen with Stoudemire.

I believe if the Suns want to change their culture of play, they will need a new head coach that demands defense. McDonough needs to buy into this as well. So until this happens, Stoudemire can only help the Suns upfront.

 

[BC867]

I know it's popular to rip the ISO game right now but I don't think that's our problem. It's the fact that we aren't very good at it and we have two too many ISO players coming in off the bench.

Steve

Please explain. You don't think ISO is our problem.

But we aren't very good at it . . . and we have two too many ISO players coming in off the bench.

That's not a problem?

 

[Mainstreet]

Please explain. You don't think ISO is our problem.

But we aren't very good at it . . . and we have two too many ISO players coming in off the bench.

That's not a problem?

The Suns are a small team no matter what style players the Suns have. The Suns need to get bigger to balance the roster. This is something I know you can appreciate.

 

[sunsfan88]

Bryan Gibberman @Gibberman10
The dude reporting Suns/Amar'e is not what I would call reliable.

https://twitter.com/Gibberman10/status/565583691213463553

 

[BC867]

The Suns are a small team no matter what style players the Suns have. The Suns need to get bigger to balance the roster. This is something I know you can appreciate.

Enthusiastically!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Please explain. You don't think ISO is our problem.

But we aren't very good at it . . . and we have two too many ISO players coming in off the bench.

That's not a problem?

Sorry if I didn't make it clear but I was talking about the idea that ISO is a bad idea in and of itself. On the face of it we do too much of it but I don't think we'd be saying that if Green and Marcus were great at it. If Green and especially Marcus was as capable of going one-on-one as Goran, Eric or IT - we'd be winning a lot more games and ISO would be our strength instead of a problem. Also, the three bench guys do it a bit differently too. Eric and Goran use one-on-one play to create an advantage and it results in an open shot for them or a teammate. Green, Marcus and to a lesser extent IT, use it primarily to get their own shot.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Sorry if I didn't make it clear but I was talking about the idea that ISO is a bad idea in and of itself. On the face of it we do too much of it but I don't think we'd be saying that if Green and Marcus were great at it. If Green and especially Marcus was as capable of going one-on-one as Goran, Eric or IT - we'd be winning a lot more games and ISO would be our strength instead of a problem. Also, the three bench guys do it a bit differently too. Eric and Goran use one-on-one play to create an advantage and it results in an open shot for them or a teammate. Green, Marcus and to a lesser extent IT, use it primarily to get their own shot.

Steve

We played a lot of iso basketball last year and won 48 games and yet there was still MANY fans who wanted them to be a more pass oriented team like Atlanta.

 

[sunsfan88]

]I believe if the Suns want to change their culture of play, they will need a new head coach that demands defense.[/B] McDonough needs to buy into this as well. So until this happens, Stoudemire can only help the Suns upfront.

Unfortunately, this will never happen under Sarer. McD is just a GM, Sarver is his boss and would never allow the Suns to be a defense oriented team imo.

 

[Mainstreet]

Unfortunately, this will never happen under Sarer. McD is just a GM, Sarver is his boss and would never allow the Suns to be a defense oriented team imo.

Well it doesn't have to be entirely defense. I would expect the Suns to be able to walk and chew at the same time.

 

[BC867]

Well it doesn't have to be entirely defense. I would expect the Suns to be able to walk and chew at the same time.

Yup, balance.

 

[AsUdUdE]

https://twitter.com/Gibberman10/status/565583691213463553

Brad Doolittle on ESPN write an article stating he has heard "whispers" that the Suns are the front runners though he can't confirm where they are coming from..

For what it is worth, in his in-depth article he listed the Suns are the likeliest destination for Amar'e

 

[slinslin]

It would be awesome.

Amare ending his career where he started does more for his legacy than going ring chasing so early and end up a journeyman with a dozen different teams on his resume.

Can't blame him for going to the Knicks when the difference was something like what? 50M$?

 

[slinslin]

Unfortunately, this will never happen under Sarer. McD is just a GM, Sarver is his boss and would never allow the Suns to be a defense oriented team imo.

Could you please tell us what you are trying to accomplish with all these non-sense posts?

 

[slinslin]

Please explain. You don't think ISO is our problem.

But we aren't very good at it . . . and we have two too many ISO players coming in off the bench.

That's not a problem?

We are still the 8th best offensive team in the league, offense is not our problem at all.

Our offensive numbers are almost the same as they were last year when we were also the 8th best offensive team.

Our problem is defense where we rank just 19th and rebounding. Dragic, Marcus, Green have been very bad defensively and Thomas slightly below average.

 

[sunsfan88]

Could you please tell us what you are trying to accomplish with all these non-sense posts?

Trying to match you

 

[95pro]

Offense is our problem too, its how we get our offense. through iso and jacking up long shots from green and thomas, air balls from tucker. no ball movement due to a lack of an inside out game.

 

[Chaplin]

Trying to match you

But don't you think blaming defensive issues on Sarver is going a little bit overboard?

 

[BC867]

But don't you think blaming defensive issues on Sarver is going a little bit overboard?

With rare short term exceptions, flashy offenses and and undersized defenses have been the trademark of the Suns from Colangelo through Sarver, and the many coaches they have chosen.

I understand their philosophy. Let's be the best marginal team out there vs. risk being the worst trying to take the next step.

I am just not a fan of it. 'Haven't been since the '70's. But they are my home team and I keep hoping that they'll take the next step.

Unfortunately, they have now taken steps backwards with the goofiest roster they have ever had.

 

[Chaplin]

With rare short term exceptions, flashy offenses and and undersized defenses have been the trademark of the Suns from Colangelo through Sarver, and the many coaches they have chosen.

I understand their philosophy. Let's be the best marginal team out there vs. risk being the worst trying to take the next step.

I am just not a fan of it. 'Haven't been since the '70's. But they are my home team and I keep hoping that they'll take the next step.

Unfortunately, they have now taken steps backwards with the goofiest roster they have ever had.

That's not Sarver's philosophy though. It's the coaches he brings in. Sarver is the scapegoat for many things, but not this. He doesn't know enough to actually enforce such a policy.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yes, yes, clearly, its all about run and gun, and its all Sarver's scheming that causes it. Which is why the new GM he hired (a puppet really to Sarver's plots) has thus far made his biggest splashes by drafting a tall, defensive projecting center and trading for one of the top defensive guards in the league.

Bafflingly the same people who bemoan the lack of defense ALSO want us to defer to Dragic over other options, despite that the team was a defensive disaster when he was, to use the parlance of our times, the "lead guard".

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yes, yes, clearly, its all about run and gun, and its all Sarver's scheming that causes it. Which is why the new GM he hired (a puppet really to Sarver's plots) has thus far made his biggest splashes by drafting a tall, defensive projecting center and trading for one of the top defensive guards in the league.

Bafflingly the same people who bemoan the lack of defense ALSO want us to defer to Dragic over other options, despite that the team was a defensive disaster when he was, to use the parlance of our times, the "lead guard".

And he was playing on a very balanced 25 win team that included Marcin Gortat, Luis Scola and Jermaine O'Neal.

Steve