Josh Jackson

[Phrazbit]

I'm really surprised how many people here are chomping at the bit to dump Jackson, and in some cases for almost anything.

IMO this is a guy that if we give up on this fast we will really... really... regret it.

Jackson has been a negative player this year, no question, he plays wild and reckless and tries to do far too much with the ball in his hands. He's a good playmaker when he isn't trying to be a hero and not a bad shooter when he isn't forcing his shots and he's a legit defender far more often than not.

Either experience or good coaching is going to form him into a really solid player, the Suns would be fools to dump him without getting something of serious value in return.

I'm thrilled with TJ Warren's development but it's taken FIVE years for him to become something more than a decent midrange player in an era where midrange players have almost no value.

Jackson is a really talented player who plays wild (or dumb depending on your view), I'm a lot more hopeful that he can develop into something worthwhile than one of the young players who you wouldn't know they're on the floor 90% of the time... like Len or Bender.

 

[taz02]

I agree with your assessment.

The problem is the team needs to win sooner rather than later and we are overloaded with SF's and have gaping holes elsewhere.

JJ would appear to be the odd man out but I agree trading him could turn out to be a big mistake.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I agree with your assessment.

The problem is the team needs to win sooner rather than later and we are overloaded with SF's and have gaping holes elsewhere.

JJ would appear to be the odd man out but I agree trading him could turn out to be a big mistake.

And if trading JJ nets us a good PG in return than I think we would be for that, but dumping him for anything less that a good starting caliber PG would be a massive mistake.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

And if trading JJ nets us a good PG in return than I think we would be for that, but dumping him for anything less that a good starting caliber PG would be a massive mistake.

Agreed. And it's hard right now to see a point guard good enough to qualify for that kind of trade becoming available. Right now, there's only five teams in the league who likely don't see themselves as a playoff team. Everyone else is right there in the running, meaning they are unlikely to trade a good point guard during the season.

That just leaves the Hawks, Knicks, Bulls, and Cavs. The only point guard on those teams I'd want for JJ is Young, and he's not going anywhere.

 

[devilalum]

Agreed. And it's hard right now to see a point guard good enough to qualify for that kind of trade becoming available. Right now, there's only five teams in the league who likely don't see themselves as a playoff team. Everyone else is right there in the running, meaning they are unlikely to trade a good point guard during the season.

That just leaves the Hawks, Knicks, Bulls, and Cavs. The only point guard on those teams I'd want for JJ is Young, and he's not going anywhere.

Unless one of those playoff hopefuls has an extra PG but is short a wing.


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[JCSunsfan]

I agree with your assessment.

The problem is the team needs to win sooner rather than later and we are overloaded with SF's and have gaping holes elsewhere.

JJ would appear to be the odd man out but I agree trading him could turn out to be a big mistake.

Our team seems a little more balanced if you consider Mikal a guard.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Our team seems a little more balanced if you consider Mikal a guard.

If you don't want Booker playing point than you have 144 minutes (2-4 position minutes) to divide between Booker, Bridges, JJ, Warren and Oubre. That works out to an average of 29 minutes per game and that works fine for now because none of JJ, Bridges or Oubre really need to play more than that. You have even more minutes to play with if Booker spends any time as the PG.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If you don't want Booker playing point than you have 144 minutes (2-4 position minutes) to divide between Booker, Bridges, JJ, Warren and Oubre. That works out to an average of 29 minutes per game and that works fine for now because none of JJ, Bridges or Oubre really need to play more than that. You have even more minutes to play with if Booker spends any time as the PG.

48 minutes of pg.

20 for Melton
14 for Booker
14 for Crawford

28 minutes of sg.

20 for Booker
22 for Bridges
6 for Crawford

 

[JCSunsfan]

If the addage is true, "you play the position you can defend" then Oubre can play pf. He has defended the 1-4 positions successfully. He has the same type of defensive versatility that we want to see from JJ. His 7-4 wingspan is a huge help.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yup. My biggest fear with trading JJ is we do it out of desperation for a mediocre point guard. I’ve said it in another thread I don’t want this to be the modern day Dennis Johnson to Reggie Roby.

If you can package him and a pick or two to get a mid-career all star pg who is willing to extend with us (like kemba) then I do it. Otherwise I’m usually going to come out on the “no” end of the trade JJ discussions.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Yup. My biggest fear with trading JJ is we do it out of desperation for a mediocre point guard. I’ve said it in another thread I don’t want this to be the modern day Dennis Johnson to Reggie Roby.

If you can package him and a pick or two to get a mid-career all star pg who is willing to extend with us (like kemba) then I do it. Otherwise I’m usually going to come out on the “no” end of the trade JJ discussions.

Rick Robey. But yeah, I get what you are saying. But DJ was already an established star.

 

[Sunburn]

Yup. My biggest fear with trading JJ is we do it out of desperation for a mediocre point guard. I’ve said it in another thread I don’t want this to be the modern day Dennis Johnson to Reggie Roby.

If you can package him and a pick or two to get a mid-career all star pg who is willing to extend with us (like kemba) then I do it. Otherwise I’m usually going to come out on the “no” end of the trade JJ discussions.

Would you do it for Wall?

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Rick Robey. But yeah, I get what you are saying. But DJ was already an established star.

Rick Robey...Ricky Rubio.

Coincidence?

 

[devilalum]

If the addage is true, "you play the position you can defend" then Oubre can play pf. He has defended the 1-4 positions successfully. He has the same type of defensive versatility that we want to see from JJ. His 7-4 wingspan is a huge help.

Jackson, Bridges and Oubre can all defend 3 positions most of the time.


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[JCSunsfan]

Jackson, Bridges and Oubre can all defend 3 positions most of the time.


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If I was Igor, I would play them all and substitute liberally. I would want to see an all-out swarming defense all of the time. We don't have the stars, but we have young players who are athletic and talented. Melton sets the tone for this.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Rick Robey. But yeah, I get what you are saying. But DJ was already an established star.

Lol right. Not the punter (he was a much better basketball player than rick Roby).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Would you do it for Wall?

No. I want no part of wall. Primarily due to the fact that his teammates don’t like him. If he was a catalyst for good I’d figure the team could figure out that albatross of a contract (though the contract certainly leaves a ton to be desired too).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If I was Igor, I would play them all and substitute liberally. I would want to see an all-out swarming defense all of the time. We don't have the stars, but we have young players who are athletic and talented. Melton sets the tone for this.

Agree. Have them play all out with liberal rest due to the fact we have somewhat fungible players.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Agree. Have them play all out with liberal rest due to the fact we have somewhat fungible players.

If he does this, people will be frustrated with his substitution patterns. It will look like he is taking out players who are hot too soon. But he will see the fatigue from the sideline quicker than fans will see it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If he does this, people will be frustrated with his substitution patterns. It will look like he is taking out players who are hot too soon. But he will see the fatigue from the sideline quicker than fans will see it.

Honestly if it’s the optimal strategic move I don’t care what the fans gripe about.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think Igor should continue doing what he is doing. Forget the three -game winning streak. They are playing defense (Booker, Ayton, Warren included) and they are sharing the ball on offense. When a particular unit gets hot, he tends to stick with them, which is good, but at the same time players know they will get their playing time, which brings stability. I don't want Igor changing anything major right now. Even JJ had a game with no stupid mistakes in NY. I may be forgetting something, but I don't think he took a bad shot off the dribble or turned the ball over, or fouled someone out of frustration.
To me, THAT is the key for JJ. He needs to "limit" himself to playing defense, making a simple pass, and moving without the ball. No dribbling, no trying to be Steve Nash, no chucking threes unless he is completely set and shooting in rhythm.

 

[taz02]

If he does this, people will be frustrated with his substitution patterns. It will look like he is taking out players who are hot too soon. But he will see the fatigue from the sideline quicker than fans will see it.

Only if we revert to being blown out every game because of it.

Substitution patterns should be ok since all the worthless players have been traded or waived....

 

[AzStevenCal]

Only if we revert to being blown out every game because of it.

Substitution patterns should be ok since all the worthless players have been traded or waived....

We're still going to get blown out fairly often, and really it's just speculation on our part that it's in any way due to coaching decisions.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Only if we revert to being blown out every game because of it.

Substitution patterns should be ok since all the worthless players have been traded or waived....

This is an interesting point. The worthless players at the beginning of the year, at least according to fans were: Chandler, Anderson, Ariza, Bender, Canaan, and JJ often.

 

[taz02]

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