July 1st calls (Free Agent Signings)

[Chaplin]

Well here's one guy that we are interested in...

:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242471/Cole-Aldrich-Receiving-Interest-From-Clippers-Suns-Magic

Is Alan Williams worse? Why bother if he isn't?

 

[Covert Rain]

Is Alan Williams worse? Why bother if he isn't?

He is nothing more than a bench body.

 

[FutureSuperstar]

If the Suns go after a higher salaried free agent, I am still interested in SF Harrison Barnes as he is only 24. He would fit with the Suns youth.

Also Dwight Powell would be a nice addition.

I think the Suns will try to bring back Teletovic or Leuer depending upon asking price. I prefer Teletovic.

You beat me to it, lol ... I entered this thread to talk about Dwight Powell. I strongly think he's the guy the Suns should target. Instead of going after on the surface "safe" signings, they should shake it up a bit and go with someone younger at PF.

I feel like this is the type of offseason where these types of young guys could be real bargains at multi year deals between $5 - $8 million / year … I compare Powell to a guy like Jae Crowder who had a similar role on the Mavs as Powell. The Celtics gave Crowder a 5 yr. / $35 million deal last offseason which seemed like a lot, but now that contract looks great. I think Powell could have a similar improvement. He’s a versatile 4 man, is only 24, and had a 16.9 PER last year playing 14 mpg … Also he improved his shot last year even if it didn't show in the stats. His 3 point shot isn’t bad and he’s the type of guy who will improve as a 3 pt. shooter over the next couple of years. He’s athletic, can defend multiple positions, and I think would be a great stopgap PF before Bender/Chriss are ready …. I’d rather take a “risk” w/ Powell over signing just some established vet like teletovic … And since Powell will be cheaper & is younger, is it really even a risk at all?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I like Teletovic quite a bit, love his attitude and his relationship with the other players. I'd hate to see us let him go especially given that he loves Watson and loves being a part of Phoenix. But I like Dwight Powell a lot too. I see no reason we couldn't sign both of them.

 

[FutureSuperstar]

I like Teletovic quite a bit, love his attitude and his relationship with the other players. I'd hate to see us let him go especially given that he loves Watson and loves being a part of Phoenix. But I like Dwight Powell a lot too. I see no reason we couldn't sign both of them.

You're right, they could sign both technically ... But for me the downside to that would be that might be too much PF competition for Chriss/Bender, maybe not for this year. But for next season definitely (though a trade I guess could happen to free up room too)

I initially was all for Teletovic but thinking about for a few days, I just don't see the point in signing a vet like him to a 2 or 3 year deal ... The only thing it would do is "make the team better in the short term" - And where the team is, I feel like what's the point of that really? Whereas signing a guy like Powell to a potentially 5 yr. / $35 million deal like Crowder got last offseason will be a move that could have future benefits when this team reaches it's peak 2-4 years from now. Either Powell would still be on the team and playing well or he could be traded for value. Teletovic or Marvin Williams or David West - These guys aren't helping the Suns 2-4 years from now. They're simply stop gaps that only help the short term.

If Powell plays 25 minutes per game and falls flat on his face (Though that's unlikely considering he played 14 mpg last season and more than held his own ... And will surely improve in the offseason like he did last offseason) - Then THAT'S OK TOO, lol ... Since not like we're winning this year anyway.

So we could sign both you're right. I'd rather just sign 1 or sign 2 young guys similar to Powell ...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Until the Suns can prove their worth as a team and build a reputation for stability, the Suns need to get the good players on the way up. I think Barnes can be one of those building blocks.

I don't know... this seems like a recipe for us to go the way of the Joe Johnson Atlanta Hawks, especially if you're giving Barnes a MAX deal when he hasn't even shown near the level of play JJ did by the time he got his. Barnes is a nice complimentary player... not a building block, IMO and paying him as such will only insure we probably reach mediocrity but never rise above that level.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't know... this seems like a recipe for us to go the way of the Joe Johnson Atlanta Hawks, especially if you're giving Barnes a MAX deal when he hasn't even shown near the level of play JJ did by the time he got his. Barnes is a nice complimentary player... not a building block, IMO and paying him as such will only insure we probably reach mediocrity but never rise above that level.

I was looking at Harrison as the piece that could complete the Suns roster for the future at SF. He would be an interesting player to consider. The Suns would have to believe he is on the way up at age 24. He could grow with Len, Bender, Chriss, Bledsoe, Knight and Booker.

If the Suns feel Barnes is only a complimentary player then paying him somewhere near $90 million would be very unsound. I don't think McDonough would do it. However, if the Suns felt he was worth the price, he could grow with their young roster. Watching the Spurs over the years, I have seen the value of keeping a roster together.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was looking at Harrison as the piece that could complete the Suns roster for the future at SF. He would be an interesting player to consider. The Suns would have to believe he is on the way up at age 24. He could grow with Len, Bender, Chriss, Bledsoe, Knight and Booker.

If the Suns feel Barnes is only a complimentary player then paying him somewhere near $90 million would be very unsound. I don't think McDonough would do it. However, if the Suns felt he was worth the price, he could grow with their young roster. Watching the Spurs over the years, I have seen the value of keeping a roster together.

Okay... But having watched the Spurs over the years, I've seen them be pretty smart with their contracts, RARELY over-spending on anyone, especially outside players unless they were game changers.

And not sure the Spurs keeping their roster together has much to do with the Suns. The Spurs did so because they had a title contending roster for the most part, and at worst a playoff team. We don't have anything near the talent level they do so I'm not sure the "keep the team together" thing applies to us.

 

[Chaplin]

He is nothing more than a bench body.

So is Cole Aldritch. And if you think he isn't, then just resign Leuer. Either way, Aldritch isn't needed.

 

[Covert Rain]

So is Cole Aldritch. And if you think he isn't, then just resign Leuer. Either way, Aldritch isn't needed.

That's who I was referring too.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

So is Cole Aldritch. And if you think he isn't, then just resign Leuer. Either way, Aldritch isn't needed.

It's just about churning the bottom of the roster, or they are looking for depth at C in the event of a Chandler trade.

 

[elindholm]

Man, the Suns are drawn to white big men like moths to flame. It just never stops.

 

[overseascardfan]

To be very honest I wouldn't mind bringing in Chandler Parsons and Dwight Powell. Parsons would cost a pretty penny but who else is PHX going to be able use the money on? Of course someone like Tucker would have to go to prevent a log jam but I would rather have Parsons who is more talented and younger so he would mesh with the other young talent on the team. Definitely would rather have him than Barnes.

 

[slinslin]

Chandler Parsons would be a huge mistake. TJ Warren will very soon be better than him and Parsons is only going to block that development.

 

[slinslin]

For the record I would like us to sign David West and Jared Dudley

 

[overseascardfan]

Chandler Parsons would be a huge mistake. TJ Warren will very soon be better than him and Parsons is only going to block that development.

No one knows how good Warren will be and Parsons would fit in perfectly with his 3pt shooting ability. Worst case PHX has a solid 2 deep at SF.

For the record I would like us to sign David West and Jared Dudley

Ha! David West just declined his option to return to SA, you think he will consider coming to PHX? Besides word is he is leaning towards retiring if he doesn't end up in CLE to try and win a title. I would much rather have Parsons than Dudley, if rumors were true that PHX had interest in Hayward that makes me believe they are looking for a huge upgrade at SF, Dudley won't provide that.

 

[Chaplin]

For the record I would like us to sign David West and Jared Dudley

Why not Amare and Dudley? Amare would have just as much impact as David West.

 

[slinslin]

Amare does not seem interested in that at this point.

Also David West is the mentor of TJ Warren.

Also David West supposedly is wanted by just about any NBA team for a future front office positions.

 

[Errntknght]

No one knows how good Warren will be and Parsons would fit in perfectly with his 3pt shooting ability. Worst case PHX has a solid 2 deep at SF.

We have a pretty good idea how good TJ is going to be and while he may never be as good all around as Parsons he's likely going be a considerably better scorer - his 3pt % has improved steadily, last year he averaged 40% compared to 24% the year before. Like slin I believe that Parsons will impede TJ's progress and I'd hate that to happen.

 

[SirStefan32]

I am with Slin, for the most part. If given the freedom Booker had last year, I believe he will develop into a good player. I am not going to say he will get better than Parsons, but I think he will be pretty damn good.

David West would be a great addition if he'd be willing to come to Phoenix to play with his protege.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Definitely would rather have him than Barnes.

Why? Parsons is older, injury prone and would cost about the same. No idea why he would be a fit.

 

[Mainstreet]

Okay... But having watched the Spurs over the years, I've seen them be pretty smart with their contracts, RARELY over-spending on anyone, especially outside players unless they were game changers.

And not sure the Spurs keeping their roster together has much to do with the Suns. The Spurs did so because they had a title contending roster for the most part, and at worst a playoff team. We don't have anything near the talent level they do so I'm not sure the "keep the team together" thing applies to us.

My point about the Spurs, if you have quality core players that you can keep together for a long time, that's the way to do it. The Spurs know their core players and the Suns are trying to build their core. Sure, the Spurs have been smart in managing contracts. The Suns need to do the same thing. However, I think the Spurs' days of signing bargain contracts is coming to an end. The Spurs are starting to pay their players like LaMarcus Aldridge and Kawhi Leonard to max contracts.

Anyway, I'm not trying to compare the Suns to the Spurs except to demonstrate the importance of keeping your core players together... once you have them. If the Suns feel like they almost have that young core together then adding a potential star player like Harrison Barnes makes some sense. I guess it is where McDonough thinks the Suns are now and how they feel about Barnes.

 

[WuRaider]

Targets
-A SF that TJ can learn from. Ship PJ out for a pick at the deadline.
-A C that will push Len for playing time. He made a lot of progress at the end of the season but I don't want to him to be too comfortable. He needs to reach the talent level of his draft slot or Rudy Gobert will always dominate him. Ship Chandler out now or let his value build once all the other centers sign.

Avoid
-Harrison Barnes, but I trust McD if he decides to be crazy. I'd rather sign Batum but there's so much money out there, I doubt it.

-A PF that will take mins away from our future Dirk and Amare.

It's most likely going to this again

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[hsandhu]

They're saying tyler johnson of the heat could get 10 million a year and bazemore could get close to 20 million, are you freaking kidding me!

The brandon knight contract of 4 years / 56 million should not be hard to move in that market, hopefully suns can.

 

[Cheesebeef]

They're saying tyler johnson of the heat could get 10 million a year and bazemore could get close to 20 million, are you freaking kidding me!

The brandon knight contract of 4 years / 56 million should not be hard to move in that market, hopefully suns can.

agreed. Kent Bazemore getting 20 million... if the players ever opt out of this CBA they're clinically insane.