Jurecki on the O-Line (March 2012)

[football karma]

Reports that the Cards FO came back from the combine with the following point of view:

1. Kahlil is the best, but will be long gone
2. They like Reilly Reiff -- but think he will be gone as well
3. Not sold on Jonathan Martin

On free agency:

1. They think Levi is their best option
2. They want Keith back, but..
3. Will also bring in someone else to compete with him
4. Right guard is also an area they will look to address

 

[Mitch]

Reports that the Cards FO came back from the combine with the following point of view:

1. Kahlil is the best, but will be long gone
2. They like Reilly Reiff -- but think he will be gone as well
3. Not sold on Jonathan Martin

On free agency:

1. They think Levi is their best option
2. They want Keith back, but..
3. Will also bring in someone else to compete with him
4. Right guard is also an area they will look to address

Yes, but what about Cordy Glenn?---I think they are keeping mum on him because he fits exactly what they want in the RT position. jmho.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Well then, other than the way they feel about Reiff, I like the way they're thinking.

Steve

 

[MadCardDisease]

Yes, but what about Cordy Glenn?---I think they are keeping mum on him because he fits exactly what they want in the RT position. jmho.

I think he fits the mold that the Cardinals look for. It wouldn't shock me if he is the pick.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think he fits the mold that the Cardinals look for. It wouldn't shock me if he is the pick.

I wouldn't mind the pick either especially if it meant we traded down 7 spots or so. 13 just seems a little high for the guy.

Steve

 

[Mitch]

I wouldn't mind the pick either especially if it meant we traded down 7 spots or so. 13 just seems a little high for the guy.

Steve

I agree, Steve, only I do think Glenn is a hotter prospect than what we think. He showed up big as the week went on at the Senior Bowl and he owned the Combine.

 

[Buckybird]

I agree, Steve, only I do think Glenn is a hotter prospect than what we think. He showed up big as the week went on at the Senior Bowl and he owned the Combine.

so did Mike Mamula

 

[MadCardDisease]

I agree, Steve, only I do think Glenn is a hotter prospect than what we think. He showed up big as the week went on at the Senior Bowl and he owned the Combine.

He also had a solid pro day.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I agree, Steve, only I do think Glenn is a hotter prospect than what we think. He showed up big as the week went on at the Senior Bowl and he owned the Combine.

He showed well at both but prior to that I don't think he was getting much play as a 1st rounder.

Steve

 

[Buckybird]

He showed well at both but prior to that I don't think he was getting much play as a 1st rounder.

Steve

Big 10...#75...beware

 

[football karma]

I agree, Steve, only I do think Glenn is a hotter prospect than what we think. He showed up big as the week went on at the Senior Bowl and he owned the Combine.

FWIW:

Russ Lande of the Sporting News was on earlier. Glenn's name came up.

Lande said some scouts believe that Glenn can play right tackle today, and if he improves, could handle the left. Other scouts believe he is a guard only.

Lande went on to note that as good a post season Glenn has had, he was very up and down in his play during the season, and that is the biggest concern about him.

 

[Stout]

Reports that the Cards FO came back from the combine with the following point of view:

1. Kahlil is the best, but will be long gone
2. They like Reilly Reiff -- but think he will be gone as well
3. Not sold on Jonathan Martin

On free agency:

1. They think Levi is their best option
2. They want Keith back, but..
3. Will also bring in someone else to compete with him
4. Right guard is also an area they will look to address

1. I don't like Martin as our future LT either--seems the FO has learned their lesson in drafting underwheming OTs
2. It seems the FO hasn't learned their lesson about the OTs on our roster. What they're saying is they want:

1-Levi Brown at LT--UGH!
2-Keith at RG--UGH!
3-Someone to compete with Keith--okay, I like that, but...
4-What about someone to compete with...I should say, IMO, frickin' REPLACE Levi 'Turnstile' Brown?
5-We're probably not going to be able to replace Brown anyway, making our own FO's 'plan' moot.
6-Now I'm really depressed

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Readng between the lines, it sounds like DeCastro is the pick if he's there and he likely will be. It's hard to see an OG going top 10 no matter how good he is.

 

[AzStevenCal]

FWIW:

Russ Lande of the Sporting News was on earlier. Glenn's name came up.

Lande said some scouts believe that Glenn can play right tackle today, and if he improves, could handle the left. Other scouts believe he is a guard only.

Lande went on to note that as good a post season Glenn has had, he was very up and down in his play during the season, and that is the biggest concern about him.

One of the knocks about him has to do with his inconsistency. Also, the label "flexible" is often just a nice way of saying he doesn't really have a position. He's played 3 spots on the line and has performed decently at each spot but there have been concerns highlighted by a lack of concentration (or laziness). He can't handle the speed rushers and when you move him inside he has a tendency to not sustain his blocks. There's no denying his talent though and there really isn't a perfect O-Lineman out there once you get past Kalil IMO.

Steve

 

[bg7brd]

Readng between the lines, it sounds like DeCastro is the pick if he's there and he likely will be. It's hard to see an OG going top 10 no matter how good he is.

It wouldn't shock me if we traded back a few spots to take Glenn and gain a 2nd. If Richardson is still on the board this could very well happen.

 

[JeffGollin]

It wouldn't shock me if we traded back a few spots to take Glenn and gain a 2nd. If Richardson is still on the board this could very well happen.

That's how I see it.

One new wrinkle - Fletcher Cox.

At 305+, his forty time was even with Coples and Ingam (which raises tHe possibility of his playing a hybrid DT/DE role ) - a more highly motivated version of Alan Branch.

I could see us trading down where, perhaps we'd have shots at both Glenn and Cox.

 

[overseascardfan]

Readng between the lines, it sounds like DeCastro is the pick if he's there and he likely will be. It's hard to see an OG going top 10 no matter how good he is.

I agree about DeCastro if ARZ stays at #13. But I think they are priming themselves for a trade down...maybe with CIN. I have a feeling they go with an OLB though since they are not impressed with the OL prospects.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

As I was doing the Cards draft on the CBS board last week and doing research on so many many players, I realized that after the first 10 or so, there is little that separates the next 50-100 players. In fact, nearly all top 25, top 50, top 100, and top 200 players have different players rated in different groups of 25-50 positions. There are a lot of really good players through the first 3-4 rounds. This is a great year to have multiple draft picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It really hurt when I was picking for the Cards not to have a 2nd round pick and see so many good players who could immediately help our team. The best we can hope for is to pick up a mid 2nd rounder with a later 1st round for our top pick. I don't see a lot of teams that will want to give up a 2nd round pick in this draft. Any of the top 64 players can start right away for any team. There also seems to be so many under the radar players from small schools who are really really good. I don't remember there ever being so many of them. Again, it cries for multiple picks in the mid-rounds.

This year I would love to trade the #1 or #2 pick for multiple picks. If I were the Colts I would grab all the picks I could for Luck and rebuild the whole team with this strong draft. But that is just my thinking in that I would rather have 4 or 5 really good players over any 1 player no matter who he is.

 

[Buckybird]

If I were the Colts I would grab all the picks I could for Luck and rebuild the whole team with this strong draft. But that is just my thinking in that I would rather have 4 or 5 really good players over any 1 player no matter who he is.

wow! As good as I think Luck is going to be barring injury, IMO that would be a major mistake!!! Winning for a long period of time in the NFL starts with the QB. I would cough up every draft pick we own for the next 2 years to acquire Luck

 

[Bodha]

Not as a person, as a football player: I hate J. Martin. Ive never a softer dude in my life. Hes like a little girl in a giant dudes body. He is going to get manhandled in the NFL.


We need to:

Take Cordy Glenn in the 1st, Ryan Miller in the 3rd, (try to get the 2nd rounder) try to get Potter or Adams if humanly possible.

In FA: Go after Gaither.

We need a LT, RT and G. Levi and Keith are hot garbage and we need a play maker on the inside.

 

[Duckjake]

As I was doing the Cards draft on the CBS board last week and doing research on so many many players, I realized that after the first 10 or so, there is little that separates the next 50-100 players. In fact, nearly all top 25, top 50, top 100, and top 200 players have different players rated in different groups of 25-50 positions. There are a lot of really good players through the first 3-4 rounds. This is a great year to have multiple draft picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It really hurt when I was picking for the Cards not to have a 2nd round pick and see so many good players who could immediately help our team. The best we can hope for is to pick up a mid 2nd rounder with a later 1st round for our top pick. I don't see a lot of teams that will want to give up a 2nd round pick in this draft. Any of the top 64 players can start right away for any team. There also seems to be so many under the radar players from small schools who are really really good. I don't remember there ever being so many of them. Again, it cries for multiple picks in the mid-rounds.

This year I would love to trade the #1 or #2 pick for multiple picks. If I were the Colts I would grab all the picks I could for Luck and rebuild the whole team with this strong draft. But that is just my thinking in that I would rather have 4 or 5 really good players over any 1 player no matter who he is.

What you write makes sense but I think, except for a couple of spots like OTackle and SILB, the Cards are in a position where they need more playmakers not more bodies. We need more guys that other teams have to game plan around. We need more Patrick Petersons and Larry Fitzgeralds not O'Brien Schofields and Early Doucets. In fact I'd say our mid-tier starting talent and depth is fairly solid.

The Salary Cap does put a limit on how many of those guys you can keep past their first contract but on the other hand the new rookie salaries make it easier to draft those guys.

 

[Pariah]

We need to:

Take Cordy Glenn in the 1st, Ryan Miller in the 3rd, (try to get the 2nd rounder) try to get Potter or Adams if humanly possible.

In FA: Go after Gaither.

I'd do it a little differently. I'd:

• Re-sign Levi
• Sign Gaither
• Draft DeCastro
• Move Levi to RT

Suddenly, you have an NFL calibre line.



JMHO

 

[cardncubfan]

I'd do it a little differently. I'd:

• Re-sign Levi
• Sign Gaither
• Draft DeCastro
• Move Levi to RT

Suddenly, you have an NFL calibre line.



JMHO

This makes too much sense.

 

[crisper57]

Does Levi go all Antrel/Antron on us? In other words, when we tell him he isn't worth the money in his contract next year, does he take it personally and refuse to deal with us further?

 

[PDXChris]

I'd do it a little differently. I'd:

• Re-sign Levi
• Sign Gaither
• Draft DeCastro
• Move Levi to RT

Suddenly, you have an NFL calibre line.



JMHO

All in one off season? Come on now, Graves can't even put jelly on his peanut butter sandwiches because of the complexity.