Jurecki on the O-Line (March 2012)

[juza76]

how long we have to wait till to know how much room we have in the salary cap???

 

[crisper57]

how long we have to wait till to know how much room we have in the salary cap???

Yesterday, I thought John Clayton said this: We have $3-$4 million in space right now. If we cut Levi, we save another $13-$14M. If we cut Kolb, we save another $7M.

This is my big beef with Graves, rather than his snail-like-pace. Most the other Manning suitors have $25M+ in cap space right now. We have $3-$4M. He structures contracts so badly, that we always seem to be dealing from a position of weakness in every negotiation as well as being limited in pursuing free agents (including our own).

 

[MadCardDisease]

how long we have to wait till to know how much room we have in the salary cap???

Right now we have about $3 Million. However that would increase if we cut Brown.

 

[kerouac9]

I'd do it a little differently. I'd:

• Re-sign Levi
• Sign Gaither
• Draft DeCastro
• Move Levi to RT

Suddenly, you have an NFL calibre line.



JMHO

Ahh... I see that Jared Gaither is the 2012 equivalent of Donovan McNabb. The Cards don't want Jared Gaither. They've had three cracks at him, once for a supplemental 3rd round pick (the Cards didn't even put in an offer), once in free agency when he could be had for a song, and then once when he was cut by Kansas City.

They didn't take a bite at any time.

I loved Gaither when he came out in the supplemental draft. I liked him a lot when he was in Cleveland. I think he's a perfect physical fit for what the Cards do with their OL, but there's something about the guy that makes him a no-go for this coaching staff.

It's not going to happen.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Ahh... I see that Jared Gaither is the 2012 equivalent of Donovan McNabb. The Cards don't want Jared Gaither. They've had three cracks at him, once for a supplemental 3rd round pick (the Cards didn't even put in an offer), once in free agency when he could be had for a song, and then once when he was cut by Kansas City.

They didn't take a bite at any time.

I loved Gaither when he came out in the supplemental draft. I liked him a lot when he was in Cleveland. I think he's a perfect physical fit for what the Cards do with their OL, but there's something about the guy that makes him a no-go for this coaching staff.

It's not going to happen.

Yeah this guy has some red flags that the Cardinals clearly don't want to deal with.

 

[Pariah]

It's not going to happen.

Probably not, but my post wasn't a prediction. It's how I'd handle the line in the offseason.

 

[JeffGollin]

Yesterday, I thought John Clayton said this: We have $3-$4 million in space right now. If we cut Levi, we save another $13-$14M. If we cut Kolb, we save another $7M...

1. According to Darren U today, the League has not officially set team cap figures and Clayton's $3.1 million is only a guestimate.

2. If we cut Levi (saving $13-14 mil) how much of that will need to be reserved for Levi's replacement?

3. If we cut Kolb (Saving $7-mil), how much of it plus some of the Levi savings will it take to sign Manning?

4. And will there be enough after all that to afford Reggie Wayne?

My point - Without hard (trustworthy) numbers - historically an NFL rarity - we don't know what money is really available (including all kinds of hidden bonus/incentive stuff that may be lurking within the fine print of the contracts for the other players on our roster).

Each year, at this time, our rumored cap budget always looks elephant-like, but by the time we actually need the money to do stuff, it invariably turns out to be the size of a flea.

 

[Reddog]

3. If we cut Kolb (Saving $7-mil), how much of it plus some of the Levi savings will it take to sign Manning?

Kolb only saves us $2M on the Cap. My guess is a cap friendly long-term deal with Calais and a couple vet contract reworks would help get it done. I wonder how Manning would feel about a tandem of Fitz and Garcon vs Fitz and Wayne? I also wonder if the addition of Manning would attract any of the FA OT or if Levi would consider a cap friendly long term deal to be part of the excitement that would come with Manning?

 

[52brandon]

Kolb only saves us $2M on the Cap. My guess is a cap friendly long-term deal with Calais and a couple vet contract reworks would help get it done. I wonder how Manning would feel about a tandem of Fitz and Garcon vs Fitz and Wayne? I also wonder if the addition of Manning would attract any of the FA OT or if Levi would consider a cap friendly long term deal to be part of the excitement that would come with Manning?

if that happens, would Manning want to play where Levi is the guy "protecting" his blind-side?

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I'd do it a little differently. I'd:

• Re-sign Levi
• Sign Gaither
• Draft DeCastro
• Move Levi to RT

Suddenly, you have an NFL calibre line.



JMHO

If it could happen, then I am on board with that.

The problem is signing Levi Brown, and Gaither. Snail can't do both.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Would Larry restructure as a way to bring in PM and RW?

 

[52brandon]

Would Larry restructure as a way to bring in PM and RW?

I think yes. Hell, I think DD would too

 

[Reddog]

if that happens, would Manning want to play where Levi is the guy "protecting" his blind-side?

No, move him to Rt tackle. Although if Peyton is healthy again he has played with weaker linemen than Brown. He gets rid of the ball so quickly. Warner survived with a Cards line that included Levi. As they say all ships rise with high tides.

 

[Shane]

Would Larry restructure as a way to bring in PM and RW?

I think yes. Hell, I think DD would too

I think they would too. But lets not kid ourselves. Restructure doesnt mean they get less money. It just means they get it pushed further down the road. No reason for them not too really unless they are having $$ issues.

 

[Shane]

No, move him to Rt tackle. Although if Peyton is healthy again he has played with weaker linemen than Brown. He gets rid of the ball so quickly. Warner survived with a Cards line that included Levi. As they say all ships rise with high tides.

Warner barely survived and did get bounced into an early retirement thanks to this OL. Even with his quick release.

 

[52brandon]

No, move him to Rt tackle. Although if Peyton is healthy again he has played with weaker linemen than Brown. He gets rid of the ball so quickly. Warner survived with a Cards line that included Levi. As they say all ships rise with high tides.

Levi was RT with Warner, and Warner got beat up his first couple years here before he got into his groove, not to mention there was 1 more great WR and 1 more good WR than we currently have today. And even if Peyton is technically healthy, his neck's durability is still a huge concern. I don't want him touched

 

[52brandon]

I think they would too. But lets not kid ourselves. Restructure doesnt mean they get less money. It just means they get it pushed further down the road. No reason for them not too really unless they are having $$ issues.

agreed. But if freeing up more cash today is the goal, that could do the trick

 

[Snakester]

I think we will have to sign a tackle and draft one this year. I don't see Levi coming back if he becomes a free agent.

 

[Duckjake]

Levi was RT with Warner, and Warner got beat up his first couple years here before he got into his groove, not to mention there was 1 more great WR and 1 more good WR than we currently have today. And even if Peyton is technically healthy, his neck's durability is still a huge concern. I don't want him touched

Don't forget that Warner's first two years the Cards had a competely different offensive line than the one he played with 2007-09. I'd say the oline we have now with Levi Brown at RT is significantly better than the ones with Oliver Ross and Reggie Wells at RT and Milford and Elton Brown at the Guards.

Wow, just realized the Cards had a guy with the last name Brown on their offensive line for 7 consecutive seasons.

 

[kerouac9]

Levi was RT with Warner, and Warner got beat up his first couple years here before he got into his groove, not to mention there was 1 more great WR and 1 more good WR than we currently have today. And even if Peyton is technically healthy, his neck's durability is still a huge concern. I don't want him touched

Warner got beat up for the couple of years after he got into his groove. He figured out the timing of the offense, but the Cards consistently lead the league in quarterback hits and knockdowns even when Warner was putting up MVP numbers.

 

[52brandon]

Warner got beat up for the couple of years after he got into his groove. He figured out the timing of the offense, but the Cards consistently lead the league in quarterback hits and knockdowns even when Warner was putting up MVP numbers.

I believe it. I was just thinking of when he was splitting time with Matty. But wouldn't his getting his ass kicked even in his best of times here be further evidence that Levi sucks, what with his quick release and all?

 

[kerouac9]

I believe it. I was just thinking of when he was splitting time with Matty. But wouldn't his getting his ass kicked even in his best of times here be further evidence that Levi sucks, what with his quick release and all?

Nah... A lot of those hits were blindside hits delivered courtesy of Duck's hero Mike Gandy and Reggie Wells. Levi was a Pro Bowl alternate playing RT in 2009.

It's just the structure of the offense and the construction of the offensive line that they don't pass block well. Didn't happen in Pitt, either.

 

[52brandon]

Nah... A lot of those hits were blindside hits delivered courtesy of Duck's hero Mike Gandy and Reggie Wells. Levi was a Pro Bowl alternate playing RT in 2009.

It's just the structure of the offense and the construction of the offensive line that they don't pass block well. Didn't happen in Pitt, either.

at the risk of playing out this comparison. DRC was a Pro-Bowl alternate, he's not even starting anymore

and so was Derek Anderson...

 

[Goldfield]

Gandy played very good for us. And Brown was a better RT than LT.

 

[juza76]

can they change their philosophy about getting tackles over 320...we are a passing team so we need offensivetackle about 300/310 ..more agile and able to handle better speed rushers