Jurecki on the O-Line (March 2012)

[Duckjake]

at the risk of playing out this comparison. DRC was a Pro-Bowl alternate, he's not even starting anymore

and so was Derek Anderson...

There is also no proof that I've ever seen that Kontrarian9's assertion that the Cards led the league in hits and hurries is true. And even if some website claims they have those stats they are going to be heavily subjected to the prejudices of the persons reviewing the film and so dubious at best.

One thing that is a fact is that when LBrown took over at RT and Gandy/Bridges at LT Warner's sack % dropped from 7.7 to 4.2. Meanwhile with K9's manlove Levi Brown at LT the Cards sack % increased to 8.2% and the number of sacks doubled.

It is also telling that the Cards moved Levi to LT at a time they were anticipating having a left handed QB. So they were moving Levi AWAY from protecting the QBs backside.

 

[JeffGollin]

There is also no proof that I've ever seen that Kontrarian9's assertion that the Cards led the league in hits and hurries is true. And even if some website claims they have those stats they are going to be heavily subjected to the prejudices of the persons reviewing the film and so dubious at best.

One thing that is a fact is that when LBrown took over at RT and Gandy/Bridges at LT Warner's sack % dropped from 7.7 to 4.2. Meanwhile with K9's manlove Levi Brown at LT the Cards sack % increased to 8.2% and the number of sacks doubled.

It is also telling that the Cards moved Levi to LT at a time they were anticipating having a left handed QB. So they wtere moving Levi AWAY from protecting the QBs backside.

Pssst! When checking out sack percentages, add in % Hurries. Not to do so would be to ignore the differences in how quickly a QB gets rid of the ball.

 

[Duckjake]

Pssst! When checking out sack percentages, add in % Hurries. Not to do so would be to ignore the differences in how quickly a QB gets rid of the ball.

Pssst who judges hurries? Again subject to the prejudices of the viewer. Who knows for sure in every single instance whether the QB was forced to throw before he wanted to? Some QBs abandon the pocket sooner than others is that taken into account if a defense gets a hurry by forcing a QB out of the pocket?

As for QB hits the Cards did not lead the the NFL in 2009 in fact they haven't even been in the top(bottom?) five in hits+sacks the last 3 years. That's not consistently leading the league.

 

[52brandon]

Pssst who judges hurries? Again subject to the prejudices of the viewer. Who knows for sure in every single instance whether the QB was forced to throw before he wanted to? Some QBs abandon the pocket sooner than others is that taken into account if a defense gets a hurry by forcing a QB out of the pocket?

As for QB hits the Cards did not lead the the NFL in 2009 in fact they haven't even been in the top(bottom?) five in hits+sacks the last 3 years. That's not consistently leading the league.

*cough*Kolb*cough*

 

[kerouac9]

Pssst who judges hurries? Again subject to the prejudices of the viewer. Who knows for sure in every single instance whether the QB was forced to throw before he wanted to? Some QBs abandon the pocket sooner than others is that taken into account if a defense gets a hurry by forcing a QB out of the pocket?

As for QB hits the Cards did not lead the the NFL in 2009 in fact they haven't even been in the top(bottom?) five in hits+sacks the last 3 years. That's not consistently leading the league.

Then don't judge the number of hurries; judge the ranking of hurries by the people who do it.

As I said, I sold off my back issues of the Football Prospectus, otherwise I'd look 'em up. I don't know why you'd think I'd lie about the stats, though. That's never been my M.O.

From the Offensive Line breakdown in Football Outsiders Annual 2010:

So it is with Levi Brown, Arizona’s first-round pick (and the fifth overall selection) in 2007. Brown improved a bit as the 2009 season went on, but he was an obvious liability in pass-blocking situations, frequently
losing inside and outside battles to quicker ends. Gandy led the Cards with nine blown blocks, but Brown was right behind him with eight. (He also had eight in 2008.) Arizona’s ninth-ranked Adjusted Sack Rate was a
mirage to a degree; Kurt Warner was hurried 112 times and put up a passing DVOA of -21.1% on those plays. Warner wasn’t getting sacked on those plays, but he wasn’t making productive gains, either. The good news, we
suppose, is that Leinart had a 28.8% DVOA on his 20 hurries. Sample size be damned!

According to FOA 2010, Warner was 3rd in Adj QB hits (58) behind Schaub and Garrard, and T10 in QB Knockdowns (Sacks + Hits). That year, Mike Gandy was 3rd in the NFL in blown blocks, and L. Brown was right behind him.

Levi Brown was also T5th in NFL in most penalities (offense) with 11 and 2nd in false starts with 8. Maybe Levi Brown really does suck.

In FOA 2011, Levi Brown was 2nd in blown blocks (12.5), but apparently more or less fixed his false start problem. Also, since we started 3 QBs, it's possible that none of them qualified for the QB Knockdowns or Hits ranking.

How good was New England's offense in 2010? They averaged 2.9 yards per drive. That means that nearly every time they got the ball back, they were going to score a field goal at least. Arizona ended up 31st in PPD in 2010 (1.16).


We really sucked in 2010.

 

[JeffGollin]

Pssst who judges hurries?

I do.

Because a good QB with a quick release can avoid sacks that average QBs would accumulate; thereby making their O-line look better than they really are.

Subjective or otherwise, including pressures delivers a more accurate picture of how well an O-Line is actually doing to protect its passer.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Yeah this guy has some red flags that the Cardinals clearly don't want to deal with.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...her-cut-by-san-diego-chargers-after-poor-play

It looks like the Cardinals made the correct decision in avoiding Gaither:

Gaither was handed $13.5 million in guaranteed money last season, including $8 million to sign. He wound up starting four games and was questioned openly about his work ethic. Teammates and writers suggested Gaither was milking a back injury and that he really didn't want to play.

"I can't even look him in the eye," one veteran Charger told U-T San Diego's Kevin Acee in December. Another one said: "(Expletive) Gaither. He (expletive) cost us big-time."

 

[WildBB]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...her-cut-by-san-diego-chargers-after-poor-play

It looks like the Cardinals made the correct decision in avoiding Gaither:

Ya, that's why so much of FA can be fools gold. Demetress Bell, who so many wanted last yr. instead of re upping Levi, turned out to be garbage too.

 

[Buckybird]

Ya, that's why so much of FA can be fools gold. Demetress Bell, who so many wanted last yr. instead of re upping Levi, turned out to be garbage too.

Garbage is still garbage!!! Levi belongs in the landfill of LTs that aren't very good too. Ooooh that smellllll can't you smell that smell...

I very much expect ol #75 to get the axe before the 2014 season begins

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Ya, that's why so much of FA can be fools gold. Demetress Bell, who so many wanted last yr. instead of re upping Levi, turned out to be garbage too.

Right here.

Furious that we didn't go after Bell or Gaither. Shows what I know.

 

[Goldfield]

Right here.

Furious that we didn't go after Bell or Gaither. Shows what I know.

Agree, but we were starting Batiste so it still would of been a small upgrade.

 

[WildBB]

Agree, but we were starting Batiste so it still would of been a small upgrade.

Not at what they signed for.

Batiste was emergency throw in. They had no b/u plan at LT.

Big part of the coaching staff's demise.