Jurecki reports Saints/Cards deal on the table

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
Yeah baby! Trade #17 and #37 for #7. Grab Suggs, Trufant, Kennedy or Williams, then land Jeff Faine. Woo!! Now we're talking.

Great minds run in circles!

 

[Krangodnzr]

No way Jose.

We would be getting swindled big time if we take this trade.

One thing everyone needs to take into account: Most of these players are going to be only ok, or average players.

If we trade up, the chances of getting 2 average players compared to one good to great players is pretty high.

 

[kerouac9]

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

Don't do this. Please don't... This is a bad idea... This team will not be better with 2 mid-round picks than with one true blue-chipper in the Top 10.

Carolina took Peppers with the #2 draft pick last year, and there were some questions about him, too. Had they traded down to #17 and #18, they would have had Bryan Thomas and Charles Grant available at DE, Javon Walker and Ashley Lelie at WR, Daniel Graham and Jerramy Stevens at TE, and Phillip Buchanon, Mike Rumph, and Lito Sheppard at CB. Would any two of those players had the kind of impact that Peppers had on the Panthers? No.

Don't do this. We'll be the new Bengals if we do.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
No way Jose.

We would be getting swindled big time if we take this trade.

One thing everyone needs to take into account: Most of these players are going to be only ok, or average players.

If we trade up, the chances of getting 2 average players compared to one good to great players is pretty high.

Depends. Hypothetically the guy picked at 15 as say a DT could be no better than the guy picked at 30, that's why the NFL scouts are panning this draft they say after the top 15 there's a lot of "2nd round quality guys" going in the first round.

But if you're not going to get the guy you want at 6(let's say it's Robertson) and you're not sold on Suggs, why not move down?

WHat if 17 and 18 is McDougle and Kelley Washington? I think that's an interesting deal. What if Sullivan slides down so you get Sullivan and Washington or Sullivan and McDougle?

The sticking point is the #2 next year because if the deal works out and we get better my guess is we'll give up the pick. By conditional they mean similar to lottery protected in the NBA, if the pick is in say the top 10 of the 2nd round, it becomes a 3rd rounder, if it's not it's a 2nd rounder. So if the picks this year improve us, we give up a better pick next year.

But I don't think this is a colossal mistake if we draft well with those picks.

I'd reject it for one reason I don't want TWO unsigned #1 picks waiting for the tv money to come in (-:

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Carolina took Peppers with the #2 draft pick last year

You aren't really comparing Suggs to Peppers, are you?

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Originally posted by kerouac9
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

Don't do this. Please don't... This is a bad idea... This team will not be better with 2 mid-round picks than with one true blue-chipper in the Top 10.

Carolina took Peppers with the #2 draft pick last year, and there were some questions about him, too. Had they traded down to #17 and #18, they would have had Bryan Thomas and Charles Grant available at DE, Javon Walker and Ashley Lelie at WR, Daniel Graham and Jerramy Stevens at TE, and Phillip Buchanon, Mike Rumph, and Lito Sheppard at CB. Would any two of those players had the kind of impact that Peppers had on the Panthers? No.

Don't do this. We'll be the new Bengals if we do.

...huh huh, huh huh...you said "Rumph"...huh huh, huh huh...

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
You aren't really comparing Suggs to Peppers, are you?

He ran a 4.8 last year.

He benched 19 times.

He doesn't have half the techinque of Suggs....

 

[azsports]

NO NO NO Not if it includes our 2nd round next year.

 

[AntSports Steve]

I can see wanting a stud blue chipper, but at #6, all the picks have risk and question marks.

I would rather trade down and get more picks. If the odds are 50% that a first round player is a bust, then I think 2 players would at least give the Cards a chance of getting one player.

The risk of the player at #6 being a bust is high this year. Spead the risk!

Now, Two #1 for the cards #1 and 2004 #2 I don't like. Switch that to a 2004 #3 and I'd go for it.

Who knows, may Suggs will drop all the way down and the Cards still get him. He seems to be falling like a rock.

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by azsports
NO NO NO Not if it includes our 2nd round next year.

No no no no no no no under any circumstances. If for some reason the Top 5 becomes Roberton, Kennedy, Suggs, Newman, Truffant. Still no.

Sec: Yes, I'm comparing Suggs to Peppers.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by kerouac9
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

Don't do this. Please don't... This is a bad idea... This team will not be better with 2 mid-round picks than with one true blue-chipper in the Top 10.

Carolina took Peppers with the #2 draft pick last year, and there were some questions about him, too. Had they traded down to #17 and #18, they would have had Bryan Thomas and Charles Grant available at DE, Javon Walker and Ashley Lelie at WR, Daniel Graham and Jerramy Stevens at TE, and Phillip Buchanon, Mike Rumph, and Lito Sheppard at CB. Would any two of those players had the kind of impact that Peppers had on the Panthers? No.

Don't do this. We'll be the new Bengals if we do.

wow, i don't know, phillip buchanon and ashley lelie may one day be better than just peppers...

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by AntSports Steve
Who knows, may Suggs will drop all the way down and the Cards still get him. He seems to be falling like a rock.

Suggs will not make it past #10 at the very latest!

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by AntSports Steve
I can see wanting a stud blue chipper, but at #6, all the picks have risk and question marks.

I would rather trade down and get more picks. If the odds are 50% that a first round player is a bust, then I think 2 players would at least give the Cards a chance of getting one player.

The risk of the player at #6 being a bust is high this year. Spead the risk!

Now, Two #1 for the cards #1 and 2004 #2 I don't like. Switch that to a 2004 #3 and I'd go for it.

Who knows, may Suggs will drop all the way down and the Cards still get him. He seems to be falling like a rock.

Suggs won't fall past Minnesota....

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by AntSports Steve
I can see wanting a stud blue chipper, but at #6, all the picks have risk and question marks.

I would rather trade down and get more picks. If the odds are 50% that a first round player is a bust, then I think 2 players would at least give the Cards a chance of getting one player.

The risk of the player at #6 being a bust is high this year. Spead the risk!

Now, Two #1 for the cards #1 and 2004 #2 I don't like. Switch that to a 2004 #3 and I'd go for it.

Who knows, may Suggs will drop all the way down and the Cards still get him. He seems to be falling like a rock.

First, Suggs will not drop below 10.

Second, there are only, at most 15 first-round rated prospects in this draft (all draft picks have risk [TJ was supposed to be "can't miss {Don't hate on me, Krang, it was how it was then}]). That means you're trading a Top 10 pick for 2 second rounders. With our history of second-round selections, would you make that trade? Hell, no.

 

[RedStorm]

I think 17-18 is too far down. I would go between 10-14 but that is it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
He ran a 4.8 last year.

He benched 19 times.

He doesn't have half the techinque of Suggs....

then why was he the 2nd pick of the draft and some people are saying Suggs could drop to 8?

 

[Russ Smith]

In ESPN's mock draft they have the Saints taking Faine at 17 and Polamalu at 18.

They have both McDougle and Washington still on the board. They didn't have the Jets trade(they have them taking Sullivan at 13). My guess is if Chicago moved back it might mean they want a QB and wanted to pay less, or they figure they can just draft Sullivan at 13 anyways. ESPN also has Brayton and Joseph off the board by 17.

I don't know I'm not a McDougle fan at 6 or even at 10 but at 17 and 18 getting Washington and McDougle would be intriguing.

 

[jw7]

Well the only benefit would be lower signing bonuses.

The draft really drops in talent after the top 12 or so.

I vote no! Go get an impact player..the Cards had no pro-bowlers last year. At some point you need serious talent.

I don't think its there past 15.

 

[DieHardFromMO]

I don't like the trade proposal. The CARDS need an impact player of the likes of Suggs or Leftwich.

If they did do the deal I think I would have to seriously consider using one of the picks on McGahee.

I would rather attempt to trade up with Houston by swapping picks and a lower pick to draft Robertson.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
then why was he the 2nd pick of the draft and some people are saying Suggs could drop to 8?

I don't (in the words of Jake Plummer) give a rat's ass why. Simeon Rice ran a 4.8 at the combine. Strahan ran a 4.9 at 255 lbs.

 

[kerouac9]

Think of it this way: When was the last time the Cards had a Pro Bowl-caliber performer on D? Simeon Rice. That was three years ago. Is there anyone on this squad right now, on either side of the ball, with that kind of potential? No. When you don't have any great players, you don't trade down for more middling ones, you grab a catalyst that'll make the rest of them better.

You're not going to find that kind of player in the bottom third of the draft.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I would vote no for this trade as well.

only a handful of impact players actually come out of the draft each year. Your chance at getting one of them at six is, I think, more than twice what it is at 16 and 17.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by kerouac9
Think of it this way: When was the last time the Cards had a Pro Bowl-caliber performer on D? Simeon Rice. That was three years ago. Is there anyone on this squad right now, on either side of the ball, with that kind of potential? No. When you don't have any great players, you don't trade down for more middling ones, you grab a catalyst that'll make the rest of them better.

You're not going to find that kind of player in the bottom third of the draft.

Nice post!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I don't (in the words of Jake Plummer) give a rat's ass why. Simeon Rice ran a 4.8 at the combine. Strahan ran a 4.9 at 255 lbs.

Geez man! Maybe he's not going that high because people who work evaluating talent for a living don't think he's as good! I mean when was the last time that the first STUD DE ever possibly could have dropped down below 5? Think about it and maybe you'll realize that your bias being an ASU student is clouding your vision a little bit.

 

[Shane]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
Geez man! Maybe he's not going that high because people who work evaluating talent for a living don't think he's as good! I mean when was the last time that the first STUD DE ever possibly could have dropped down below 5? Think about it and maybe you'll realize that your bias being an ASU student is clouding your vision a little bit.

Many NFL scouts think he IS that good and many have been quoted as saying that the guy has the best array of pass rush moves coming out of college in a long time!

Some people just buy into the 40 times and others dont. Also it depends on what teams feel is more of a need for them when they are drafting. It means nothing more and nothing less!