Jurecki speculation re: FO

[football karma]

as always- FWIW


based on his discussions people in the building over at Cards HQ


Cards dont want to lose Steve Keim, he believes he will be promoted to GM

Is hearing Graves likely moves on -- maybe some other role in the org

Will ask Whis to give back some personnel power. If he doesnt, Whis will be gone.

Haley is a candidate -- but not a shoo in


I know it isnt much -- but Jurecki is speaking pretty confidently

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Ugh, the fact that the front office is even considering Haley makes me nauseous.

 

[LarryStalling]

In reality he has been as successful as our present loser.

 

[New Mexico]

Ugh, the fact that the front office is even considering Haley makes me nauseous.

The fact that the FO is considering retaining Whiz just made me throw up in my mouth a little.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Ugh, the fact that the front office is even considering Haley makes me nauseous.

I'm hoping this is purely a rumor.

 

[Jetstream Green]

If we get rid of freaking Miller and have a more active GM in control of player movement who has the power to override Whis, then yes the situation to me gets a lot better.

 

[juza76]

I think should be' better looking for some amateur tournment for millionaires . Where he could just complain and yelling his candy about some missed shots

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

In reality he has been as successful as our present loser.

By what metric exactly? In Whiz's first three years as a HC he went to the playoffs twice including the Super Bowl. Haley bombed out of KC then torched the place on his way out with his paranoia and overall lunacy in under three years. does nobody recall this guy not showering or changing clothes and accusing the KC front office of bugging his phones? He sounds more like an aging Howard Hughes than a modern football coach.

The fact that the FO is considering retaining Whiz just made me throw up in my mouth a little.

I'm fine with letting Whiz go, but this would be just like firing Bugel to bring in a less accomplished and crazier Buddy Ryan. Or firing Dick Tomey to bring in John Mackovic. We'd be begging for Whiz back after a couple years with nutjob Haley.

 

[JeffGollin]

Keim for (a kicked upstairs Graves) would be OK.

Before we all play "ready...fire...aim" with Wiz, Haley or anyone else as HC, we'd be well-advised to lay out some job specs first.

If you want the offense to be a tough, pounding, demanding (somewhat unimaginative) unit, Haley would fit the bill as OC.

Personally - especially given our receivers, lack of physicality of our OL, lack of a presence at QB and RB's who (with the exception perhaps Beanie) aren't what you'd describe as "maulers" - we might place a higher priority on creative play caller and developer of QB's. I thought Wiz had the magic as an offensive guru, but now I'm not so sure. I do think he's an excellent organizer, motivator and overall tone-setter, but (if he were to stay on) would need to delegate play-calling/design and QB development to someone new (& qualified).

 

[BigRedRage]

Also said on twitter he expects to see adub let go as of now.

A real gm and a real oc is the solution, not firing whiz. Is keim good enough to be "a real gm"? Well he has to be better than graves. Whiz is a great head coach, he needs a real gm, less power and someone to drive the offense so he can simply facilitate everything

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[PDXChris]

The problem I have with this rumor is that why not get the GM part one done sooner rather than later. This does not require an off-season move, in fact, if you wait until the off-season and end up having to fire Whiz, by the time it all plays out, there may be no decent coaches left.

 

[Shane]

The problem I have with this rumor is that why not get the GM part one done sooner rather than later. This does not require an off-season move, in fact, if you wait until the off-season and end up having to fire Whiz, by the time it all plays out, there may be no decent coaches left.

not firing Whiz

 

[artp]

Maybe Haley as OC. Pittsburgh will fire him. If he is considered as HC, that is a huge mistake.

"A real gm and a real oc is the solution, not firing whiz. Is keim good enough to be "a real gm"? Well he has to be better than graves. Whiz is a great head coach, he needs a real gm, less power and someone to drive the offense so he can simply facilitate everything"

I can live with this

 

[PDXChris]

not firing Whiz

Referring to the part were he decides not to give up power and Keim has to fire him. It Keim is promote about a week after the season ends and then works with Whiz for a couple of weeks to figure that part out, it could drag on. Promote Keim now and get that dialogue started now. He says no, fire him, he says yes, help him pick out a new OC. I prefer the second option personally, I still feel Whiz is the guy for the job.

 

[Superfuzz]

Maybe Haley as OC. Pittsburgh will fire him. If he is considered as HC, that is a huge mistake.

"A real gm and a real oc is the solution, not firing whiz. Is keim good enough to be "a real gm"? Well he has to be better than graves. Whiz is a great head coach, he needs a real gm, less power and someone to drive the offense so he can simply facilitate everything"

I can live with this

That would be ideal, but as usual I have no faith in the Cardinals to make this happen if the opportunity rolls around.

Todd Haley as HC = risky, potentially devastating move.

Todd Haley as OC = WIN

 

[BigRedRage]

Mike Jurecki (@mikejurecki) tweeted at 8:06 PM on Tue, Dec 18, 2012:
He doesn't want to leave, he's had a good run in the valley 11 yrs. "@bigredrageasfn see adub gone huh? That blows. adub is the man."
(https://twitter.com/mikejurecki/status/281234109366415362)

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[BigRedRage]

Since then he deleted the retweet

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[Cbus cardsfan]

The only real success Haley has had is when he was running Whiz's offense. But, for some reason, people want to give Haley all the credit even though it was CKW that was in charge of the offense. Makes little sense to me. Oh, that's right, Warner and Haley were drawing plays in the dirt, or on napkins, and using them instead of Whisnehunt's offense .

 

[earthsci]

Norv Turner is going to get fired. Keep Whiz, screw Haley, hire Turner as OC. No team in the NFL is ever going to hire him again as a HC.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

With Wilson, like all athletes, he's fighting getting old and not seeing it. If he accepts a reduced role, I think he'll be back.

If he's let go, I could see him ending up in New England. Belichick loves veteran safeties and got alot mileage out of an older Rodney Harrison.

 

[seesred]

Horton as HC. New OC Turner.

GBR
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[kerouac9]

The only real success Haley has had is when he was running Whiz's offense. But, for some reason, people want to give Haley all the credit even though it was CKW that was in charge of the offense. Makes little sense to me. Oh, that's right, Warner and Haley were drawing plays in the dirt, or on napkins, and using them instead of Whisnehunt's offense .

You can't have it both ways, Cbus. Either Whis's offensive philosophy is the one you stated earlier that he showed in Pittsburgh (running 55%+ of the time, deep passing off play action), or the one that he showed immediately upon his arrival here (passing 60%+ of the time, little interest in the run game).

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You can't have it both ways, Cbus. Either Whis's offensive philosophy is the one you stated earlier that he showed in Pittsburgh (running 55%+ of the time, deep passing off play action), or the one that he showed immediately upon his arrival here (passing 60%+ of the time, little interest in the run game).

I have explained my thinking on this and used it to suggest, as others have argued against, that Whiz does adjust his coaching to match what his offense can do. In Pitts, he had Jerome Bettis, a power running game, stout defense, and a rookie QB. Upon arriving in Arizona, he saw he had Warner, Fitz, and Boldin to go along with a not so stout defense and, once he saw Warner was still able to make plays(probably after Warner came in and lit up Baltimore in week 3), he went to the passing game as the best way to win. In his first 5 games as HC, the Cards had 3 rushing games(in fact his first 2 games both were) of over 100 yards so it's not like he totally abandoned the run upon arrival.

My main point was that Whiz was running the offense. If Whiz was a defensive HC, I would give Haley all the credit in the world. But's that not the case.

 

[Hollywood]

I have explained my thinking on this and used it to suggest, as others have argued against, that Whiz does adjust his coaching to match what his offense can do. In Pitts, he had Jerome Bettis, a power running game, stout defense, and a rookie QB. Upon arriving in Arizona, he saw he had Warner, Fitz, and Boldin to go along with a not so stout defense and, once he saw Warner was still able to make plays(probably after Warner came in and lit up Baltimore in week 3), he went to the passing game as the best way to win. In his first 5 games as HC, the Cards had 3 rushing games(in fact his first 2 games both were) of over 100 yards so it's not like he totally abandoned the run upon arrival.

My main point was that Whiz was running the offense. If Whiz was a defensive HC, I would give Haley all the credit in the world. But's that not the case.

Correct, Whiz wanted a run first team when he got here and only after Warner proved what he could do did the offense change. Still don't know why it hasn't changed back to run first after Warner retired though.

 

[Catfish]

Keim for (a kicked upstairs Graves) would be OK.

Before we all play "ready...fire...aim" with Wiz, Haley or anyone else as HC, we'd be well-advised to lay out some job specs first.

If you want the offense to be a tough, pounding, demanding (somewhat unimaginative) unit, Haley would fit the bill as OC.

Personally - especially given our receivers, lack of physicality of our OL, lack of a presence at QB and RB's who (with the exception perhaps Beanie) aren't what you'd describe as "maulers" - we might place a higher priority on creative play caller and developer of QB's. I thought Wiz had the magic as an offensive guru, but now I'm not so sure. I do think he's an excellent organizer, motivator and overall tone-setter, but (if he were to stay on) would need to delegate play-calling/design and QB development to someone new (& qualified).

Whiz never had the magic as an offensive guru. He rode Ben Rothlisberger and the Bus to a SB in Pittsburgh, and rode Warner, Fitz, Boldin, James to the SB try here. Pittsburgh was never an offensive juggernaut under Cower, as they played tough defense with an offense that didn't give the game away.