just curious

[95pro]

Correct. Even if Bledsoe doesn't have pg vision, he can still improve the shooting. We've seen that from players time and time again.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I'd agree that the idea of preferring Bledsoe over Love would be a huge stretch for most of the league but I don't think it will be for long. I really think Eric is on his way to becoming a top 10 player, maybe even top 5. I don't think he's the second coming of KJ but I do believe he will be a better all around player than Kevin before too much longer. Keep in mind that KJ didn't tear up the NBA world his first year in Phoenix either. Bledsoe can be incredibly disruptive on defense and once he perfects his mid-range game he'll be a two way force out there.

It's interesting though to look at their team and ours. Minnesota already has a decent point guard and they already have a top 10 center and they have Love but they're 4.5 games behind us. How do you explain this given the negative reviews you've presented for most of this team (except Plumlee and Dragic, IIRC) especially considering your statement that Love is "by far" the best player on either team. Something doesn't seem to add up. Also, if it's that easy to build around him why haven't they been able to? I know you're not really in love with Love but I do think you're undervaluing most of the players on this team. I think just about every player we have is still well below their ceiling and they're already pretty effective.

Steve

Doesn't it come down to wins and losses.

Our biggest acquisition this off season was Bledsoe. We have improved dramatically. Love puts up fantastic numbers in Minnesota but his TEAMS wins and losses are virtually not affected whether he plays or doesn't.

Love produces in virtually every area except for on the defensive end, but he does get a butt load of rebounds which is a defensive STAT.

There is just something missing with KLove. What is it? It cannot always be his teammates.

I would much rather add to our squad via free agency or the draft than to trade a bunch of our current contributors and future assets to acquire KLove.

 

[82CardsGrad]

How far do you expect Love to carry the T-Wolves by himself? He's pretty much the franchise. Pekovic is a nice center and Rubio is a decent PG, but after that, the rest of their roster is trash and the coaching has been suspect.



I think with the abundance of young talent on the Suns, a guy like Love would propel the team from a fringe playoff team to a top four western conference team.

But if you gave up Bledsoe and the other talent being mentioned, that won't happen...
Dragic isn't good enough alone... As Archie is still years away.
Love is a nice player, but the deal being proposed here would virtually place him in the same situation he's in now in MN...
Dragic


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[Mainstreet]

How far do you expect Love to carry the T-Wolves by himself? He's pretty much the franchise. Pekovic is a nice center and Rubio is a decent PG, but after that, the rest of their roster is trash and the coaching has been suspect.

I think with the abundance of young talent on the Suns, a guy like Love would propel the team from a fringe playoff team to a top four western conference team.

I expect a star to show signs of carrying a team at least for periods of time. He certainly is not in the class of Durant, Lebron, Kobe or Nash when he came over from Dallas. IMO, he is a second level star that does not help his team reach the next level. I'm not against acquiring Love but I fear the cost would be too much for what he brings to the table. I'd rather the Suns add to the team rather than diminish it. Some of those proposed trade rumors involving the Suns are off the chart and would hurt the team going forward. Maybe it's not a close comparison, but Kevin Love reminds me a lot of Tom Gugliotta.

 

[devilalum]

How far do you expect Love to carry the T-Wolves by himself? He's pretty much the franchise. Pekovic is a nice center and Rubio is a decent PG, but after that, the rest of their roster is trash and the coaching has been suspect.

I think with the abundance of young talent on the Suns, a guy like Love would propel the team from a fringe playoff team to a top four western conference team.

I am not super impressed with Rubio. I wouldn't trade Dragic or Bledsoe for him. He's a great passer but he's not a good defender, shooter or scorer. IMO The Twolves are mediocre because they don't have the level of athleticism needed to win in today's NBA.

The Suns on the other hand are crazy athletic.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am not super impressed with Rubio. I wouldn't trade Dragic or Bledsoe for him. He's a great passer but he's not a good defender, shooter or scorer. IMO The Twolves are mediocre because they don't have the level of athleticism needed to win in today's NBA.

The Suns on the other hand are crazy athletic.

Rubio is on pace to be the worst shooter in the history of the modern NBA (according to Simmons and Zack Lowe at Grantland) http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=10193210

 

[elindholm]

Rubio is on pace to be the worst shooter in the history of the modern NBA (according to Simmons and Zack Lowe at Grantland)

What's weird is that this surprises anyone. He was an awful shooter before coming to the NBA, and I remember reading lots of analysts expressing skepticism that he had the talent or work ethic to improve substantially. It's strange to me how readily scouts can be willing to overlook a fundamental flaw in someone's game if they're wowed by an unusual strength.

 

[Phrazbit]

Rubio is pleasing to ascetically, he clearly has a lot of ability and he has some real flashy passing skills, but right now he is, at best, a poor man's Jason Williams (the Kings "White Chocolate" version from the late 90s). He gets steals but its purely because he gambles non stop in the passing lanes, and he might be the worst shooter in the NBA.

There are point guards who have succeeded without being able to hit a jumper, Rondo thrives, Jason Kidd thrived, but Rubio is on an entire different level of suck as a scorer, the guy cant even make a layup. A 35% shooter, and sadly its not a fluke, his numbers in Europe were just as pathetic.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201937

Look at that. A 38% shooter at the rim, thats unbelievable. And his outside shots are typically undefended because teams know his only threat is as a passer. The guy is essentially useless in the half court. For contrast, Bledsoe shoots 64.6% at the rim and Dragic 61.2%.

He might improve, Jason Kidd entered the league not being able to shoot and ended up as a record setting three point shooter. But as of now he is a below average player.

 

[sunsfan88]

Hell no.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Rubio is pleasing to ascetically, he clearly has a lot of ability and he has some real flashy passing skills, but right now he is, at best, a poor man's Jason Williams (the Kings "White Chocolate" version from the late 90s). He gets steals but its purely because he gambles non stop in the passing lanes, and he might be the worst shooter in the NBA.

There are point guards who have succeeded without being able to hit a jumper, Rondo thrives, Jason Kidd thrived, but Rubio is on an entire different level of suck as a scorer, the guy cant even make a layup. A 35% shooter, and sadly its not a fluke, his numbers in Europe were just as pathetic.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201937

Look at that. A 38% shooter at the rim, thats unbelievable. And his outside shots are typically undefended because teams know his only threat is as a passer. The guy is essentially useless in the half court. For contrast, Bledsoe shoots 64.6% at the rim and Dragic 61.2%.

He might improve, Jason Kidd entered the league not being able to shoot and ended up as a record setting three point shooter. But as of now he is a below average player.

When people say that KLove cannot be that good because his team hasn't made the playoffs, I think it is perfectly fair to say that KLoves biggest problems have been Kahn and Rubio (the second a result of the first). You wonder how good KLove would be if the defense had something else to focus on. The same grantland discussion suggests a trade of Okafor's expiring, Len, and all of the Suns firsts this year for KLove. Joe House seemed to think that was too high a price to pay for Phoenix. I would trade the Morris twins, and all our picks (with Okafor). Let Fry play behind Love. That also gets Green more minutes at the SF spot and Archie a little more burn at the 2.

Interestingly enough, they also say that the Dragic/Bledsoe backcourt should be untouchable. Here is the quote, "LeBron James is untouchable and Dragic/Bledsoe is untouchable"

The discussion starts at around the 49 minute mark.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=10193210

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Carmeltdown is one of my least favorite NBA players.

 

[devilalum]

Rubio is pleasing to ascetically, he clearly has a lot of ability and he has some real flashy passing skills, but right now he is, at best, a poor man's Jason Williams (the Kings "White Chocolate" version from the late 90s). He gets steals but its purely because he gambles non stop in the passing lanes, and he might be the worst shooter in the NBA.

There are point guards who have succeeded without being able to hit a jumper, Rondo thrives, Jason Kidd thrived, but Rubio is on an entire different level of suck as a scorer, the guy cant even make a layup. A 35% shooter, and sadly its not a fluke, his numbers in Europe were just as pathetic.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201937

Look at that. A 38% shooter at the rim, thats unbelievable. And his outside shots are typically undefended because teams know his only threat is as a passer. The guy is essentially useless in the half court. For contrast, Bledsoe shoots 64.6% at the rim and Dragic 61.2%.

He might improve, Jason Kidd entered the league not being able to shoot and ended up as a record setting three point shooter. But as of now he is a below average player.

Bledsoe, JWill, French Fries and Rondo are all crazy athletic. Rubio, not so much.

 

[devilalum]

Correct. Even if Bledsoe doesn't have pg vision, he can still improve the shooting. We've seen that from players time and time again.

If Bledsoe could shoot he'd be a non-gansta Allen Iverson.

 

[devilalum]

Interestingly enough, they also say that the Dragic/Bledsoe backcourt should be untouchable. Here is the quote, "LeBron James is untouchable and Dragic/Bledsoe is untouchable"

I hope Bledsoe is buying into this. If he isn't it doesn't show in his play. Most PGs want to be "The Guy" for a team. Dragic seems to be OK with his role and he already got his pay day. I hope Bledsoe can be OK with it too. Like they said in the podcast, these two cause WAY more match up problems for other teams than they create for the Suns.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I hope Bledsoe is buying into this. If he isn't it doesn't show in his play. Most PGs want to be "The Guy" for a team. Dragic seems to be OK with his role and he already got his pay day. I hope Bledsoe can be OK with it too. Like they said in the podcast, these two cause WAY more match up problems for other teams than they create for the Suns.

My concern has more to do with how Dragic will feel/respond if Bledsoe signs a max or near max deal here. We can tell him that it's his and Eric's team over and again but in the end, the true scoreboard for something like that is in the paycheck.

Steve

 

[SirStefan32]

My concern has more to do with how Dragic will feel/respond if Bledsoe signs a max or near max deal here. We can tell him that it's his and Eric's team over and again but in the end, the true scoreboard for something like that is in the paycheck.

Steve

I wouldn't be concerned until Dragic's next payday. He'll opt out and expect a similar deal. Plus, Goran is a pro with not a lot of ego.