K9's Post-Combine Mock Draft

[Denny Green Fan]

How about Timmy Jernigan as a replacement for Dockett? He has the

motor that we love. I like all of these mock drafts on this thread.

 

[Twist18]

This is from Mitchs thread about 2 different scouts opinion. Makes kind leery about Hageman.

Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota: 6-6, 310. Fifth-year senior. "He's unique," one scout said. "He's big and long, and when he wants to play he can play. He has an unusual ability of batting balls down. He does play (high). He does a lot of things you don't like. But when he doesn't want to be shoved, around they can't shove him." Wonderlic of 13. Regarded as somewhat hard to coach. "For the one or two plays a game he plays good, he's a first-rounder," another scout said. "For the other 30 when he's out of the game, or the other 20 when he doesn't do anything, then he's a free agent. It all depends how you value the kid."

I know alot of people have mentioned him as a Cards pick but he reminds me a bit of Alan Branch. Being an Illini and Big 10 fan, he just has an inconsistent motor BUT if you pi$$ him off, look out.

 

[kerouac9]

How about Timmy Jernigan as a replacement for Dockett? He has the

motor that we love. I like all of these mock drafts on this thread.

I don't think that if the team was re-making the roster from scratch, Dockett would be on it. I love Dockett, but he's been playing out of position at 3-4 end (five-technique) for what seems like a decade now (it's actually been like six or seven years).

A five-technique should be 6'4" or taller and at least 300 lbs.

Jernigan will be a good player for someone, just probably not the Arizona Cardinals. Keim's talked several times about the need to add length to the front seven.

 

[Finito]

I think when Kiem was talking about adding length I took as talking about outside linebacker and in the secondary. Of course Dockett would be who you going to find better than him that's a realistic option. He had a pretty good year last year considering he's getting up there in age.

The more I think about it I think it's going to be Pryor or Clinton-Dix and Adrian Wilson was nowhere near a pro bowl caliber safety when he was let go he was horrible

 

[cardncubfan]

I think you make a good point here K9. It may be nice to have a top notch safety but if the system doesn't require one why waste the resources on one.
I caught the end of a segment on Moving the Chains yesterday on Sirius and they were discussing the Cardinals and possible draft choices. They mentioned a TE and WR as the first two choices. What I don't know is if they had separated the defense and offense and were giving possible choices for each side as I only caught the very end of the segment.

To cover TE's would be my guess.

 

[kerouac9]

To cover TE's would be my guess.

I think that's why you pay Daryl Washington and (hopefully) Karlos Dansby.

The 2013 Arizona Cardinals were top 10 in the league against every type of receiver except Tight Ends, where they were 20th. [Aside: we were #1 in the NFL against #1 WRs--thanks, Patrick]

Cards allowed on average 9 ppg to tight ends and 76 ypg to tight ends. That's not really acceptable. But the defense is going to focus all offseason on how to stop tight ends (and the offense is going to focus all offseason on how to convert third downs).

I dunno. There's no question that we were embarrassed by Zach Ertz, Lance Kendricks, and Vernon Davis. But I still question the value that this team places on the safety position, and I hope to get some better upgrade in free agency over using a valuable draft choice at a position that's already well cost-controlled.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I think that's why you pay Daryl Washington and (hopefully) Karlos Dansby.

The 2013 Arizona Cardinals were top 10 in the league against every type of receiver except Tight Ends, where they were 20th. [Aside: we were #1 in the NFL against #1 WRs--thanks, Patrick]

Cards allowed on average 9 ppg to tight ends and 76 ypg to tight ends. That's not really acceptable. But the defense is going to focus all offseason on how to stop tight ends (and the offense is going to focus all offseason on how to convert third downs).

I dunno. There's no question that we were embarrassed by Zach Ertz, Lance Kendricks, and Vernon Davis. But I still question the value that this team places on the safety position, and I hope to get some better upgrade in free agency over using a valuable draft choice at a position that's already well cost-controlled.

An understandable position...the argument for adding to the secondary would be to copy the Seattle model - a dominant secondary that allows more time for the front 7 to get pressure.

With most of the top OT/OLB/QB prospects likely to be gone by pick 20, I could live with one of the two top safeties. (despite the fact it isn't a premium position)

I fully anticipate we'll sign a FA LT, and there are apparently a ton of good tackle prospects we can take in rounds 2-4.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I think that's why you pay Daryl Washington and (hopefully) Karlos Dansby.

The 2013 Arizona Cardinals were top 10 in the league against every type of receiver except Tight Ends, where they were 20th. [Aside: we were #1 in the NFL against #1 WRs--thanks, Patrick]

Cards allowed on average 9 ppg to tight ends and 76 ypg to tight ends. That's not really acceptable. But the defense is going to focus all offseason on how to stop tight ends (and the offense is going to focus all offseason on how to convert third downs).

I dunno. There's no question that we were embarrassed by Zach Ertz, Lance Kendricks, and Vernon Davis. But I still question the value that this team places on the safety position, and I hope to get some better upgrade in free agency over using a valuable draft choice at a position that's already well cost-controlled.

One of the reasons that I technically put Peterson ABOVE Richard Sherman: Peterson shadows the #1 receiver, while Sherman plays one side of the field. I think the Lions love having Nate Burleson matched up against Richard Sherman.

If you are saying that we could either give up 30 ypg against a TE and 100 for the top receiver, or 75 ypg against a TE and 50 ypg from the top receiver, I think I take more yardage from the TE scenario.

I see your point on safeties, but I still think we do need an upgrade; I'm also leery of Rashede Hageman and view him as a prospect that has declined since the draft process began. I definitely put Tuitt as a higher ranked prospect since he's been an extremely disruptive pass rusher at times, which has worked very well in Bowles' scheme. Maybe a trade down from 20 down to the lower parts of the 1st round and then take Tuitt.

 

[kerouac9]

An understandable position...the argument for adding to the secondary would be to copy the Seattle model - a dominant secondary that allows more time for the front 7 to get pressure.

With most of the top OT/OLB/QB prospects likely to be gone by pick 20, I could live with one of the two top safeties. (despite the fact it isn't a premium position)

I fully anticipate we'll sign a FA LT, and there are apparently a ton of good tackle prospects we can take in rounds 2-4.

Maybe, but Seattle has a ton of resources dedicated to their front seven, almost nothing committed to their CBs, and one high pick dedicated to their safeties. Because of the system they run, they need a guy like Earl Thomas who can man the deep center by himself.

I think that we play enough 2-man coverage that we don't really need that kind of rangy guy. He'd be nice to have, but it doesn't maximize the value of that kind of player. If that's what we wanted, we likely would've kept Kerry Rhodes instead of putting in Rashard Johnson.

 

[Finito]

Maybe, but Seattle has a ton of resources dedicated to their front seven, almost nothing committed to their CBs, and one high pick dedicated to their safeties. Because of the system they run, they need a guy like Earl Thomas who can man the deep center by himself.

I think that we play enough 2-man coverage that we don't really need that kind of rangy guy. He'd be nice to have, but it doesn't maximize the value of that kind of player. If that's what we wanted, we likely would've kept Kerry Rhodes instead of putting in Rashard Johnson.

The fact guys still bring this up is amazing. We tried to keep Kerry Rhodes for Christ sakes. He thought he could get more and wanted to test the market. That's why he's gone not because the cardinals didn't want him

 

[WildBB]

The more research I do, the more I am convinced we will take one of Calvin Pryor or Ha-Ha Clinton Dix. That is our biggest weakness on defense and adding a big hitter in the secondary would add another dimension to our defense. Would be good to have a guy who can actually cover a TE too.

I'm on board there.

1a)
1- C. Pryor - S
2- D. Easley - DE
3- J. Bitonio - OT

1b)
1- A. Donald - DT/DE
2- A. Richardson - OT
3- J. Attouchou - OLB


I'd be happy with either.

 

[juza76]

I'm on board there.

1a)
1- C. Pryor - S
2- D. Easley - DE
3- J. Bitonio - OT

1b)
1- A. Donald - DT/DE
2- A. Richardson - OT
3- J. Attouchou - OLB


I'd be happy with either.

richardson probably has knee issue and it may require surgery.could sit in his rookie year.
i think probably he could slide in rounth 4 or 5
maybe bitonio in round 2,he is athletic like cooper.he was the only one at senior bowl able to block dotson
has versatility.can play guard and tackle

deon buchanon is another prospect i like..good tackler and can cover
2.12 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA7_3Yv8FEE

 

[Finito]

If Richardson slides to the 4th I would jump on him. He is probably going to sit his rookie year but when he comes back I put him at guard he's massive and really athletic, I think he would be a tremendous guard much like Leonard Davis.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I saw a mock, think it was Walterfootball, that had the Cards taking Kouandjio in round 4 and Richardosn going 2 picks later to Cincy. Unless those two are hurt far greater than we know, I can't see any scenario with that happening. However, any draft in which we could pick up Cyrus in round 4, I'm all for it.

 

[Mitch]

I saw a mock, think it was Walterfootball, that had the Cards taking Kouandjio in round 4 and Richardosn going 2 picks later to Cincy. Unless those two are hurt far greater than we know, I can't see any scenario with that happening. However, any draft in which we could pick up Cyrus in round 4, I'm all for it.

Having extra picks in this draft would make it easier to take players like Mettenberger and Cyrus.

This is one reason why I think Steve Keim will be tempted to trade down early in this draft---it's deep enough that we should still be able to draft a player that we would be considering at #20 anyway and pick up the extra picks that could land us key players with potentially bright futures.

With all the picks (12) the 49ers have---they can use the IR for players like these as they did with Marcus Lattimore---just saying because the 49ers are apt to have a bonanza draft, alas.

 

[MWOOD92]

Signature for my current mock. Same rules applied.

 

[Cardiac]

Having extra picks in this draft would make it easier to take players like Mettenberger and Cyrus.

This is one reason why I think Steve Keim will be tempted to trade down early in this draft---it's deep enough that we should still be able to draft a player that we would be considering at #20 anyway and pick up the extra picks that could land us key players with potentially bright futures.

With all the picks (12) the 49ers have---they can use the IR for players like these as they did with Marcus Lattimore---just saying because the 49ers are apt to have a bonanza draft, alas.

I do want SK to trade down early and often. I'm even of the thinking that the draft is so deep that even if we miss out on a player that we wanted at #20 having the extra picks will more than make up for it.

So in essence I would take three B+ players over 1 A player.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Having extra picks in this draft would make it easier to take players like Mettenberger and Cyrus.

This is one reason why I think Steve Keim will be tempted to trade down early in this draft---it's deep enough that we should still be able to draft a player that we would be considering at #20 anyway and pick up the extra picks that could land us key players with potentially bright futures.

With all the picks (12) the 49ers have---they can use the IR for players like these as they did with Marcus Lattimore---just saying because the 49ers are apt to have a bonanza draft, alas.

The #20 pick may have a top 10 value compared to last year's draft. Doubt they'd give up that value in round 1. Trade down in later rounds. I'm all for.

 

[Duckjake]

I think that's why you pay Daryl Washington and (hopefully) Karlos Dansby.

The 2013 Arizona Cardinals were top 10 in the league against every type of receiver except Tight Ends, where they were 20th. [Aside: we were #1 in the NFL against #1 WRs--thanks, Patrick]

Cards allowed on average 9 ppg to tight ends and 76 ypg to tight ends. That's not really acceptable. But the defense is going to focus all offseason on how to stop tight ends (and the offense is going to focus all offseason on how to convert third downs).

I dunno. There's no question that we were embarrassed by Zach Ertz, Lance Kendricks, and Vernon Davis. But I still question the value that this team places on the safety position, and I hope to get some better upgrade in free agency over using a valuable draft choice at a position that's already well cost-controlled.

Meanwhile Dansby had an exceptionally high # of pdf's last season. He and Washington combined for 29 only 2 less than the Peterson and Powers combo and 6 interceptions compared to 4 for PP/Powers. Were teams throwing more to their TE's when they played us?

 

[Duckjake]

Having extra picks in this draft would make it easier to take players like Mettenberger and Cyrus.

This is one reason why I think Steve Keim will be tempted to trade down early in this draft---it's deep enough that we should still be able to draft a player that we would be considering at #20 anyway and pick up the extra picks that could land us key players with potentially bright futures.

With all the picks (12) the 49ers have---they can use the IR for players like these as they did with Marcus Lattimore---just saying because the 49ers are apt to have a bonanza draft, alas.

When you already have a solid roster filled with talented veterans what do you do with 12 draft picks? Seems to me that you would try to trade some of this year's for future picks, 2014 and 2015, to replenish the roster when your team starts to age 2-3 years down the road.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The #20 pick may have a top 10 value compared to last year's draft. Doubt they'd give up that value in round 1. Trade down in later rounds. I'm all for.

Compared to last year draft the talent is much better this year. When it comes to trading down, I think the opposite. I think there is the top 10-12 and from then on, from about 13-80, the talent level is very good but not alot of separation. Just throwing out random players and draft slots, you could take Shazier at 20 or, say, Van Noy at 37 plus an extra pick or two. I like Shazier, and he is the better player, but going with Van Noy and extra picks is probably better because I doubt Shazier is that much better tha Van Noy.

I've said it before and my wish is that the Cards trade up if Anthony Barr drops to around 10-11. Otherwise, I'm staying at 20 or trading back.

I just realized that I said the Cards should trade up, stand pat, or trade back. Boy am I a genius.

 

[cardncubfan]

When you already have a solid roster filled with talented veterans what do you do with 12 draft picks? Seems to me that you would try to trade some of this year's for future picks, 2014 and 2015, to replenish the roster when your team starts to age 2-3 years down the road.

Sounds reasonable to me Duck. With only being to have 53 on your final roster what do you do with 12 rookies? You could put a couple on the practice squad.

 

[kerouac9]

Having extra picks in this draft would make it easier to take players like Mettenberger and Cyrus.

This is one reason why I think Steve Keim will be tempted to trade down early in this draft---it's deep enough that we should still be able to draft a player that we would be considering at #20 anyway and pick up the extra picks that could land us key players with potentially bright futures.

With all the picks (12) the 49ers have---they can use the IR for players like these as they did with Marcus Lattimore---just saying because the 49ers are apt to have a bonanza draft, alas.

You have to have a trading partner to trade down. Would the 49ers trade inside the division?

Meanwhile Dansby had an exceptionally high # of pdf's last season. He and Washington combined for 29 only 2 less than the Peterson and Powers combo and 6 interceptions compared to 4 for PP/Powers. Were teams throwing more to their TE's when they played us?

Maybe. The data isn't available, but I'd suspect when it comes out that we'll find that the Cards stayed in their base defense against a lot of nickel coverages. It seemed like Dansby wasn't only covering TEs, but also slot WRs and running backs.

I think that teams were also throwing against us quite a bit, either because they were down or because it was futile to attempt running the ball. Cards were 3rd in the NFL in passing attempts against.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

Having extra picks in this draft would make it easier to take players like Mettenberger and Cyrus.

This is one reason why I think Steve Keim will be tempted to trade down early in this draft---it's deep enough that we should still be able to draft a player that we would be considering at #20 anyway and pick up the extra picks that could land us key players with potentially bright futures.

With all the picks (12) the 49ers have---they can use the IR for players like these as they did with Marcus Lattimore---just saying because the 49ers are apt to have a bonanza draft, alas.

Dont forget Colvin the Oklahoma corner. I would take him in round 4.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I do want SK to trade down early and often. I'm even of the thinking that the draft is so deep that even if we miss out on a player that we wanted at #20 having the extra picks will more than make up for it.

So in essence I would take three B+ players over 1 A player.

If we trade down I like Tuitt, Ealy, Ford or Shazier