Kansas CB Talib tested positive for pot three times

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I agree, when I was younger I was a straight up punk. Very angry at the world and tried everything. I grew up and have 5 boys and 2 grandbabies, all very good kids. They have had all kinds of questions about my tatoos and why I'm such a rocker. WhOO!

I was placed on house arrest when I was 18. I picked guitar up and it saved me. Soon I was very good and went to school to study music. Do you have any idea how hard it is to study theory when you cant read music? It took alot of study time and practice. Ya the guitar saved my freedom.

Anyone can change and if you are out there and say you have no faults or are better than others, good luck looking into the mirror and have fun lying to yourself

Right, anyone CAN change if given the motivation to. If you have issues and are still picked in the first round and will be given millions of dollars up front, where's the motivation to change? You've effed up 3 times and were still picked in the first round and given millions of dollars. Now, if you are not and drop to the 2nd or third, then there's motivation to prove people wrong.

The one thing that all of the pro-sports teams in AZ have in common is that they don't put up with people that have character issues. I love that. Talib has tested positve 3 times so far and I doubt they'll be the last. He has bust written all over him, as in busted for possession of Marijuana and then suspended by the zero tolerance Roger Goodell. That's just too risky for a team to use a first rounder on.
 

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Dude no need for insults, what are you 18? Oh I guess your just a smart a$$ or a keyboard tough guy. Because you said a tiger doesn't change their stripes.

I was a drug councelor for a few years and I hung out with a pretty rowdy group of bikers (iam sure you can figure out who). So I have seen people change and grow up and become outstanding citizens. So to say that a Tiger doesn't change their stripes may be true, but people aren't tigers their human and it's human to err. So try and be a little forgiving it will make the world a better place.

OK, why were you SO insulted that I said, "come off the pipe", it was a statement of your logic that there is a good chance he could stop his behavior. A little too sensative.... and coming back with calling me a smart A is over the top. I didn't cuss at you...as you did...looks like you got a little keyboard tough.

The kid is a fool. I don't care if it was weed or chocolate. If your told that you can't do something and you will be tested to prove if you have and you fail the test, fail it again, then fail it one more time the kid is stupid.

You don't hand a kid with problems guaranteed 1st round cash. These guys are to be the future leaders of your team on and off the field. Talib has shown he can't be trusted off the field.

For every guy you name that got off the pipe I can give you two that never did.

relax, this is a debate forum about the subject, not about you and I.

I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Right, anyone CAN change if given the motivation to. If you have issues and are still picked in the first round and will be given millions of dollars up front, where's the motivation to change? You've effed up 3 times and were still picked in the first round and given millions of dollars. Now, if you are not and drop to the 2nd or third, then there's motivation to prove people wrong.

The one thing that all of the pro-sports teams in AZ have in common is that they don't put up with people that have character issues. I love that. Talib has tested positve 3 times so far and I doubt they'll be the last. He has bust written all over him, as in busted for possession of Marijuana and then suspended by the zero tolerance Roger Goodell. That's just too risky for a team to use a first rounder on.

DEAD ON!!!!!
 
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With Denny at the helm, I could see us drafting Talib because Denny doesn't dodge drafting dudes with detrimental defficiencies in their decidedly dumb decisions. (I will spare you all the use of Denny's famous quote of what we will all say of Talib when he's suspended)

With Whis at the helm, no way he drafts him because he won't put up with that nonsense. Case closed against Talib. Even if he's better and turns out to be, we aren't Cincinatti so just say no to stoners.
 

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With Denny at the helm, I could see us drafting Talib because Denny doesn't dodge drafting dudes with detrimental defficiencies in their decidedly dumb decisions. (I will spare you all the use of Denny's famous quote of what we will all say of Talib when he's suspended)

With Whis at the helm, no way he drafts him because he won't put up with that nonsense. Case closed against Talib. Even if he's better and turns out to be, we aren't Cincinatti so just say no to stoners.

Whatever Green might have accepted is IRRELEVENT.

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Good lord. Is it maybe time that this thread gets closed?
 

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I agree, when I was younger I was a straight up punk. Very angry at the world and tried everything. I grew up and have 5 boys and 2 grandbabies, all very good kids. They have had all kinds of questions about my tatoos and why I'm such a rocker. WhOO!

I was placed on house arrest when I was 18. I picked guitar up and it saved me. Soon I was very good and went to school to study music. Do you have any idea how hard it is to study theory when you cant read music? It took alot of study time and practice. Ya the guitar saved my freedom.

Anyone can change and if you are out there and say you have no faults or are better than others, good luck looking into the mirror and have fun lying to yourself

Black, for everyone like you who did manage to change, they are 6 who couldn't do it. It takes courage, hard work and people you care for to accomplish this. You have my admiration.
 

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Yeah but we can't count on this guy to change, the team can't afford to risk an investment of millions with the hope that he "changes his stripes"...the Cardinals aren't good enough to make those kinds of mistakes. They make enough errors as it is without even knowing a risk going in.

I don't disagree with you one bit. He was never on my wish list even before the weed thing came out. I am still hoping for a RB Mendenhall, or Stewart, and if it's a CB then I want Jenkins.
 

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So,i'm thinking,if we draft Talib, we should give him a guitar :D.
 

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Good question. Lloyd didn't know?

Rich Rodriguez should fit in quite well with this non policy.

How Mario Manningham failed drug tests, yet played for U-M

BY MARK SNYDER • FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER • April 10, 2008


When wide receiver Mario Manningham's failed drug tests at Michigan became public Tuesday, the issue brought up a variety of questions.
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When are college football players tested for drugs?

What are the testing procedures and punishments?

And how can someone with two failed drug tests continue to play at Michigan?

The answers to all of those questions depend on who you're asking, and who does the testing.

The NCAA enacted its drug-testing policy in 2005. It tests on multiple occasions, in random on-campus visits year-round and at bowls.

The tests can occur at any point during the bowl season -- but rarely are done after the game.

Yet the NCAA tests for different substances during the regular season than during bowl season.

In the random, on-campus tests, only performance-enhancing drugs are on the test list, not "street drugs," which is how the NCAA classifies heroin and marijuana.

At bowls, though, the NCAA tests for a full range of drugs, from performance-enhancing ones (such as steroids) to recreational drugs.

An athlete who fails a drug test administered by the NCAA for any substance on the banned list draws a yearlong suspension for the first offense, and the second offense brings the elimination of all eligibility.

So how did Manningham, who told NFL executives in a letter that he failed two tests for marijuana while at Michigan, according to Pro Football Weekly, continue to play for the Wolverines?

Tests administered by an individual school -- not the NCAA -- are subject only to the punishments in place by that school under its guidelines. And the Big Ten Conference, which enacted its drug-testing policy at the start of the 2007 season, tests only for performance-enhancing drugs -- not marijuana.

"Some people do mirror what we do, and some have a variety (of punishments), from warnings and education to periods out of competition," said Mary Wilfert, NCAA associate director of health and safety. "They can do that and not report to us if it's their administered drug test."

A Michigan athletic department spokesman declined to discuss Manningham's specific circumstances, citing the Federal Educational Rights and Privacy Act.

The school enacted its drug-testing policy in 2004. The policy states that "all varsity student-athletes will be subject to random, year-round drug testing," and also points out that the NCAA program and Michigan's are not related.

The U-M program focuses mostly on what the school calls "drugs of abuse," which include amphetamines, cocaine and marijuana. Performance-enhancing drugs are not the primary focus, but may be included as part of the testing.

Any athlete failing to appear for a test or refusing to provide a urine sample is immediately suspended.

As for punishment, a Michigan athlete who fails a first test will be referred for counseling and attend an assessment with the athletic department doctor. If the athlete does not participate in the counseling, "additional disciplinary action will be taken by the athletic director and/or head coach and may include, but not be limited to, suspension from practice/games," according to the policy.

A second positive test -- at least 90 days later -- results in suspension from competition for 10% of the maximum allowable contests in the traditional season and must be served immediately. The coach may enhance the penalty.

A third positive test -- again, at least 90 days later -- results in a yearlong suspension. It can be appealed if the athlete shows successful completion of a substance abuse treatment program.

Manningham was suspended for only one game in his three seasons at Michigan. He missed last year's home game against Eastern Michigan for what the school called a violation of team rules. Manningham said in his letter to NFL executives that his coach, Lloyd Carr, suspended him because "I was lacking in focus," according to Pro Football Weekly.

The report did not indicate when Manningham -- who is from Warren, Ohio, and who declared for the NFL draft in January -- failed his two drug tests.

Michigan State's policy, revised in 2006, is more specific, well-defined and has more immediate penalties.

The first positive test for "performance-enhancing drugs" results in a 30-day suspension or until the athlete is determined to be "drug-free" by a team physician. The second positive results in a yearlong suspension. The third permanently bans the athlete from the athletic program.

The first positive test for "socially used drugs" results in counseling and, depending on the nature of the drug and nature of use, the athlete could be suspended for "a specified period of time." A second positive brings a minimum 30-day suspension. A third positive means a yearlong suspension.

The MSU policy also encompasses tobacco, alcohol and nutritional supplement use, with less stringent penalties.

Contact MARK SNYDER at 313-223-3210 or [email protected].
 

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Ya, it was funny. Why not give him a guitar as a signing bonus!
 
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