KC@ARI: Heroes and Goats

[Jetstream Green]

Cooper looked absolutely terrible in the first couple of plays. You're right, though, as the game went on he settled in a little bit and I ended up watching other things.

Still too often--particularly in the passing game--he ended up turned around or not blocking anyone. It was more along the lines of it not being pretty, but getting the job done more or less. I'll have to look at the coaching tape a little more to see where Williams was being so productive on runs up the middle--averaged 5.0 YPC.

Don't know how Dan Williams can be that responsible on a 60+ yard TD that went outside the offensive tackle. I think Patrick Peterson is the guy who lost control of his gap there.

It was Peterson, he was there for sure to make the tackle by held back as if he did not want to get involved... he usually does not shy away from contact, and that seems to be more Cro's past rep

 

[BurqueCardFan]

This sounds like a lot of people who are confusing results with process. I'll go through some of Cooper's worst blocks when I have time to go through the coaching tape.

Anyone who knows anything about offensive line play would easily put Cooper on the goats list. It was an ugly game for him.

Please tell us what your pedigree is as an expert in O-line play? To questions other peoples knowledge of the position because it differs from your opinion doesn't seem right.

 

[kerouac9]

Please tell us what your pedigree is as an expert in O-line play? To questions other peoples knowledge of the position because it differs from your opinion doesn't seem right.

I don't put myself forward as an expert by any means. But I'm more than a casual fan who says "Willams averaged five YPC, Cooper is hte awesome." That, in essence, was TJ, Stout, and MCD's arguments in favor of Cooper.

 

[NJCardFan]

Either way, Cooper looked a hell of a lot better than Larsen or Fanaika, bad technique or otherwise. Certainly not a goat. Take him out and put Dan Williams for his weak tackling job on Charles during that 63 yard TD run.

Ugh, this. That was down right pathetic. It's like he didn't even try. He thought he could knock him down when he needs to wrap the runner up.

 

[kerouac9]

Ugh, this. That was down right pathetic. It's like he didn't even try. He thought he could knock him down when he needs to wrap the runner up.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20141...ameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000440025&tab=videos

Don't know if that link is going to work or not. Dan Williams came from all the way over from starting shaded inside the left guard's nose. Once he makes contract with Charles, Charles is already past him. Williams bascially bounces off the rear inside bumper of Charles.

You'd prefer he make that play, but it's hard to think that Williams made a mental error or something.

Tony Jefferson actually was more squared up and Charles just bounces off of him.

As to Russ's earlier question on whether or not the TE was set, it's kind of hard to tell.

 

[NJCardFan]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20141...ameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000440025&tab=videos

Don't know if that link is going to work or not. Dan Williams came from all the way over from starting shaded inside the left guard's nose. Once he makes contract with Charles, Charles is already past him. Williams bascially bounces off the rear inside bumper of Charles.

You'd prefer he make that play, but it's hard to think that Williams made a mental error or something.

I see what you're talking about(and I hope you can break this one down) but watching it again, he was in position to at least trip him up but simply lunged at him. If he lunged with an arm out he could have disrupted Charles enough so that he would't have made the burst and maybe gone for 10 or 15 instead of 63. Again, on review, Peterson's effort, if you want to call it that, should get him fined. Also(I feel like a coach with a clicker), Minter was held on that play because even though the TE blocked him initially, he had a handful of Minter's jersey. Johnson was held badly by #81 as well but getting back to Williams, he was in position to make a play, he simply flubbed it. One more observation. Jefferson really crapped the bed on that play. Had he stayed home, he would have had an angle on Charles limiting him to a decent gain but not the long one. Instead he broke in and made a terrible tackle attempt. A guy his size shouldn't be trying to knock anyone down. He was better served using his arms but he chose to dive at his legs. There are a lot of goats on that play.

 

[football karma]

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20141...ameinfo|contentId:0ap3000000440025&tab=videos

Don't know if that link is going to work or not. Dan Williams came from all the way over from starting shaded inside the left guard's nose. Once he makes contract with Charles, Charles is already past him. Williams bascially bounces off the rear inside bumper of Charles.

You'd prefer he make that play, but it's hard to think that Williams made a mental error or something.

Tony Jefferson actually was more squared up and Charles just bounces off of him.

As to Russ's earlier question on whether or not the TE was set, it's kind of hard to tell.

it doesnt help that the Cards D was in an alignment were all three of the defensive linemen were left of the Chiefs right guard when the running play went to the Chiefs right with Okafor standing on the offensive tackles outside shoulder.

when the TE came in motion to the right side, the defense was outnumbered on that side.

and Jeff just whiffed on the tackle

 

[kerouac9]

I see what you're talking about(and I hope you can break this one down) but watching it again, he was in position to at least trip him up but simply lunged at him. If he lunged with an arm out he could have disrupted Charles enough so that he would't have made the burst and maybe gone for 10 or 15 instead of 63. Again, on review, Peterson's effort, if you want to call it that, should get him fined. Also(I feel like a coach with a clicker), Minter was held on that play because even though the TE blocked him initially, he had a handful of Minter's jersey. Johnson was held badly by #81 as well but getting back to Williams, he was in position to make a play, he simply flubbed it. One more observation. Jefferson really crapped the bed on that play. Had he stayed home, he would have had an angle on Charles limiting him to a decent gain but not the long one. Instead he broke in and made a terrible tackle attempt. A guy his size shouldn't be trying to knock anyone down. He was better served using his arms but he chose to dive at his legs. There are a lot of goats on that play.

Rarely do you have a 67-yard touchdown run where there aren't multiple failures along the way.

FWIW, heroes and goats isn't about a single sparkling play, it's about contribution over the full 60 minutes. From a couple of viewings, it looked to me like Williams made a great effort to follow the play.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I don't put myself forward as an expert by any means. But I'm more than a casual fan who says "Willams averaged five YPC, Cooper is hte awesome." That, in essence, was TJ, Stout, and MCD's arguments in favor of Cooper.

I have no idea what that means but I'm pretty sure I didn't say that!

Cooper had a few plays where he lost his technique but for the most part he played really well in his first start. Definitely not a goat.

I personally think the skys the limit for Cooper. Is he there yet? Absolutely not! There must have been about 10 plays where he lost his technique and can greatly improve. However there were also plays where he showed why the Cardinals were so high on him.

Thursday will be a different story IMO. The Rams have the best front 7 in football and have that advantage of playing at home. I expect the Cardinals offense to really struggle this time around but it will be interesting to see how Cooper holds up against the best.

 

[Garthshort]

SK said yesterday that Sunday was the OL's best game of the year. I'm guessing that Cooper was part of that. And as I've said, he'll only get better.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Cooper's a goat because his technique was bad, and technique is something that he should've been working on for the last ten weeks. He's just playing out of control at times, although he did settle in from a terrible start.

+1

Cooper looked like horse poop. It is unfortunate, but from what I see, he gained NOTHING from his rookie year, and learned nothing while injured. He is being humbled right now in the NFL, and I question whether he realizes that he has to either work to take his game to the next level, or if he is OK with being a bust.

Unless Cooper turns things around, I will never talk up a guard in the top half of the 1st round again.

Big, big disappointment so far, IMO.

 

[TJ]

I don't put myself forward as an expert by any means. But I'm more than a casual fan who says "Willams averaged five YPC, Cooper is hte awesome." That, in essence, was TJ, Stout, and MCD's arguments in favor of Cooper.

In essence, is not even close. Two different points meshed into one.