Keims Conference

[SoonerLou]

True.....

He's not as twitchy as they are. Much smoother, seems to almost glide.

His comps are hard. Which is one reason I tend to side with Chris here.

One of Chris comps makes sense.....

Santana Moss. A faster and better jumping version. And to be fair he didnt exactly have great QB play.

 

[Cardsfan77]

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[Cardsfan77]

I am a big believer in the sunk cost fallacy but right now the Cardinals have drafted

2014 John Brown Walter Powell
2015 JJ Nelson
2016 0 WR
2017 Chad Williams
2018 Christiam Kirk
2019 Andy Isabella Hakeem Butler Keesan Johnson

6 years and 8 receivers. No receiver from even 3 years ago is still on the team. That's wretched.

Keim MUST make a solid pick at #8. The lower the floor the worse this gets

And go back a slight bit to Floyd... ugh... these guys have all had a team-first, non-diva, first ballot HOF WR to learn from. Mind boggling indeed.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

And go back a slight bit to Floyd... ugh... these guys have all had a team-first, non-diva, first ballot HOF WR to learn from. Mind boggling indeed.

Hah that is another great WR urban legend.

 

[SoonerLou]

ugh....

I tend to think Keim really wanted Kupp or Golladay...

once they were gone he went with the next smaller school wr on his board.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am a big believer in the sunk cost fallacy but right now the Cardinals have drafted

2014 John Brown Walter Powell
2015 JJ Nelson
2016 0 WR
2017 Chad Williams
2018 Christiam Kirk
2019 Andy Isabella Hakeem Butler Keesan Johnson

6 years and 8 receivers. No receiver from even 3 years ago is still on the team. That's wretched.

Keim MUST make a solid pick at #8. The lower the floor the worse this gets

good god that's awful.

they can't screw up this pick. even just getting a guy who is merely a solid contributor at either OL, WR or DL would go such a long way with the other moves made this offseason.

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

When they talk trade down that made me think of Becton or Thomas.


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You could be right my brother? We're all just fans making guesses right now lol. We shall get the truth in 7 days.

 

[SoonerLou]

True.....

He's not as twitchy as they are. Much smoother, seems to almost glide.

His comps are hard. Which is one reason I tend to side with Chris here.

Good breakdown

3) Henry Ruggs, Alabama

Ruggs is going to be one of the fastest players in the NFL the second he steps onto the field, but his best trait is his hands. Ruggs has a reputation as a speed only player, but he’s more physical than his teammate. With that said, the plays that aren’t generated for Ruggs leave a lot to be desired. He’s not Tyreek Hill or DeSean Jackson because he lacks their wiggle and make you miss ability. Ruggs forced four missed tackles all season.

8) Henry Ruggs, Alabama

Ruggs feels like I’m drafting Sammy Watkins. I may get 7/110 one game, but 3/45, the next four games. I need more consistency than that if I’m taking a receiver as high as Ruggs is projected to go.

1) Jerry Jeudy, Alabama

I’d feel comfortable lining Jeudy up anywhere because a cornerback has a better chance at knowing the play than getting their hands on Jeudy at the line of scrimmage. We haven’t seen this level of route running in the past handful of years. I’d put Jeudy at “Z” to avoid as many contested situations over the middle.

X marks the spot

1) CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma

The more I watched Lamb, the more I came around on his route-running. He still has to be more consistent at the top, but early on in routes, Lamb is as good as it gets at working to the cornerback’s blind spot and manipulating a defender with a change of pace. Add in Lamb’s attacking mentality both when the ball is in the air and when it’s in his hands, and you have a star.

2) CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma

As Lamb continues to work on his craft, it’s tough to imagine him not being a top-10 receiver in the league. As silly as it sounds, Lamb could have had even better stats had his quarterback not missed some throws last year.

1) Jerry Jeudy, Alabama

The best receiver in the draft. His frame, build, and catching over the middle may be a concern. I haven’t seen this good of a route runner since OBJ came out of the draft. Jeudy manipulates defenders at an elite level, and I expect him to get stronger and become a deep threat in the NFL. This is a superstar we’re talking about.

ninersnation.com/2020/4/16/21223080/49ers-ranking-the-20-best-receivers-in-the-nfl-draft

 

[blindseyed]

I am a big believer in the sunk cost fallacy but right now the Cardinals have drafted

2014 John Brown Walter Powell
2015 JJ Nelson
2016 0 WR
2017 Chad Williams
2018 Christiam Kirk
2019 Andy Isabella Hakeem Butler Keesan Johnson

6 years and 8 receivers. No receiver from even 3 years ago is still on the team. That's wretched.

Keim MUST make a solid pick at #8. The lower the floor the worse this gets

Why do you post stuff like that? I was feeling really good this morning...then you post this....lol

 

[Proximo]

True.....

He's not as twitchy as they are. Much smoother, seems to almost glide.

His comps are hard. Which is one reason I tend to side with Chris here.

They really are, to me he doesn't look quite as fast as he times - but I think it is because of the lack of twitchiness.

Very curious to see what kind of pro he becomes.

 

[Buckybird]

I believe Lamb can play outside or in. He’s a solid route runner. He uses the sideline very effectively. Tight coverage doesn’t bother him. He’s now strong enough to typically avoid getting pushed out of bounds. Last year he became an extremely effective receiver regardless of positioning.

You know more than me I’m sure Harry. I hope you’re right if we do indeed draft him. Your opinions are always highly appreciated by me & others here.

I still have some doubts about how great he can be on the outside. let me say this. Most of his damage came from the slot at OU & I’ve seen lots of their games. Plus, most of the Cards WRs do their best work on the inside. Hopkins, does at least change that somewhat.

I would still luv to have Jeudy or Michael Pittman more because of fit. Let’s hope I’m wrong

 

[Garthshort]

SK said that there are 8-10 BC guys in the Draft, but it seems that none of the media people asked whether that included QB's. I'm going to assume that it didn't since we aren't considering QB's. So, if Simmons or Brown are not available when we pick, I'm hoping that we move back. But in order to get a blue chipper we can't move further back than #15 (best case). Here's why:
1. Three QB's seem sure to go in the top 15.
2. There are 10 BC guys (best case).
3. I'm guessing that two teams will select a guy that we don't consider to be elite.

Thus, 3 + 10 + 2 = 15.

P.S. If it turns out to be only eight BC guys (SK was blowing smoke) than we can't go further back than pick #13. JMO.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Daniel Jeremiah (NFL Network) was saying that his sources (team officials) say that because of the disrupted offseason most of the mock drafts are way off.

 

[TheCardFan]

This seems like it will be the most exciting draft in recent memory.

We could literally take anyone (except for QB) and the position we may pick really doesn't have a clear cut order/ranking.

Can't wait until Thursday!

 

[Harry]

You know more than me I’m sure Harry. I hope you’re right if we do indeed draft him. Your opinions are always highly appreciated by me & others here.

I still have some doubts about how great he can be on the outside. let me say this. Most of his damage came from the slot at OU & I’ve seen lots of their games. Plus, most of the Cards WRs do their best work on the inside. Hopkins, does at least change that somewhat.

I would still luv to have Jeudy or Michael Pittman more because of fit. Let’s hope I’m wrong

I’m just going by his college career. He lined up inside and outside, appearing to be equally effective at each. When outside I mentioned the sideline but don’t underestimate his route running. While not quite at Jeudy’s level, he’s far above average. He gets sufficient separation on cuts and even if a safety comes down his ability to catch in traffic is unparalleled in this pool. His ability to contort his body makes him an ideal target for back shoulder throws. I’m not saying he won’t be used inside, but he is the most physically skilled receiver in this pool. He’s like Fitz. Just throw him the ball. In or out, he’ll make the catch.

 

[Garthshort]

Daniel Jeremiah (NFL Network) was saying that his sources (team officials) say that because of the disrupted offseason most of the mock drafts are way off.

Makes me think that this helps Ruggs as there is no denying his speed.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Daniel Jeremiah (NFL Network) was saying that his sources (team officials) say that because of the disrupted offseason most of the mock drafts are way off.

I think this may be the draft that has the most players actually sticking, because GMs really only have game tape to go off of, for the most part and that should keep them from overthinking and over-reaching for projects.

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[WhyAlwaysMe]

Actually I think Keim gave a huge tell in his press conference and it wasn't a WR.

When Keim talked about the top 4 OT at one point he started listing them off by name. He mentioned Betcon, Wirfs, Thomas, and then for some strange reason he said "The Kid From Alabama".

Why would Keim call Wills "The Kid From Alabama" when he named all of the other tackles. Maybe because subconsciously he was trying to downplay his true feelings about Wills(I mean "The Kid from Alabama"). Hey "that kid from Alabama" is good but not good enough for Keim to remember his name when everyone in the NFL knows that kids name by heart.

noticed the exact same thing

I would expect Wills to be the pick if he’s there and Okudah/Simmons/Brown are gone.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Right now Isabella is 100% a bust. Just like every other time we have drafted small speed guys. Kirk and Brown are the only two decent ones.

way too early to call AI a bust

If he has <500 yards this year or <4 TD then ok he’s a bust.

He, like Wirfs, was never a plug and play guy. You’re gambling on his ability to get stronger and wiser to leverage his elite athleticism.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

What really worries me about Ruggs is Keim just keeps drafting the same damn dude and thinking THIS is the time where it will transform the offense.

John Brown
Chad Williams
JJ Nelson
Any Isabella
Christian Kirk

All in the last 6 years and we have:

Decent player
Total Bust
Bust but drafted low
Likely total bust
Average WR

speed is something that becomes a lot more valuable in quantity and also when you have guys like Hop occupying safety help

Plus KM throws an elite deep ball

I called Isabella to Cards last year and I think SK will end up being vindicated at turning Rosen into Isabella.

Putting tons of speed on the field is like having tons of shooting in basketball: defense has to pick their poison. If we have Ruggs/AI/KM/Drake you will see Hop getting WAY less help from safeties and he will eat

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Can't wait to see whom we pick. Personally I think there are a ton of WR options that will be a good choice.

I like Lamb at 8, but wouldn't take Ruggs or Jeudy there. I realize all 3 might be good, but the YAC and contested catches look like star material to me with Lamb. Also the familiarity with Murray and the ability to present 4 threats at WR -- I think that is what makes Lamb look like the best choice.

I still would pick Simmons first, Lamb second, then I would go with Andrew Thomas or Wills from Alabama.

 

[iLLmatiC]

Just nail this f**king pick please, regardless of position. Keim legit scares me when it comes to the draft.