Ken Somers Blog: We'll Probably Trade Down

[Bobcat]

Blah Blah Blah,


Can you imagine what would've happened if Graves has selected Boldin and Larry Johnson, instead of Johnson/Pace? Graves would be a hero.

But he didn't...!!! It is more like if the Horse wouldn't have taken a bump he would have won the race...!!! Get s clue; Graves blow it then and hopefully not now.

BOBCAT

 

[kerouac9]

John Sullivan out of the league.

Pace (somehow) is still on the team.
SH is actually pretty good.

At least we won that deal, right....?

Terrell Suggs has been to two Pro Bowls.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

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But he didn't...!!! It is more like if the Horse wouldn't have taken a bump he would have won the race...!!! Get s clue; Graves blow it then and hopefully not now.

BOBCAT

I have a clue, and you never answered my question.

"If you have a problem with trading down, because you aren't sure that Graves can make solid picks, why do we trust him to make a good pick at any time in the draft?"

 

[Bobcat]

I have a clue, and you never answered my question.

"If you have a problem with trading down, because you aren't sure that Graves can make solid picks, why do we trust him to make a good pick at any time in the draft?"

Just look at the first five projected players in this draft. You cannot miss with any of them. Well that is what all the talking heads have said, but we know better than that. I do trust RG. I also trust Whiz. and his Coaching staff. The problem is with the owner. But he seems to wants to finally to put a winner on the field. We fans have talked with our full house games, Now Mr. B. and his faily realize that you can even make more money if you win rather than lose.


BOBCAT

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Just look at the first five projected players in this draft. You cannot miss with any of them. Well that is what all the talking heads have said, but we know better than that. I do trust RG. I also trust Whiz. and his Coaching staff. The problem is with the owner. But he seems to wants to finally to put a winner on the field. We fans have talked with our full house games, Now Mr. B. and his faily realize that you can even make more money if you win rather than lose.


BOBCAT

I disagree. You CAN miss with Russell, Quinn, or Adams. Take a look at the bust thread that was created here, A lot of people think that Russell has one of the biggest bust potentials of anyone in the 1st round.

 

[Mulli]

I disagree. You CAN miss with Russell, Quinn, or Adams. Take a look at the bust thread that was created here, A lot of people think that Russell has one of the biggest bust potentials of anyone in the 1st round.

I think those people just thought that "bust" meant man boob potential.

Hah!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think those people just thought that "bust" meant man boob potential.

Hah!

1/5

 

[Mulli]

1/5. Yeah I'll take it.

 

[vinnymac]

I think those people just thought that "bust" meant man boob potential.

Hah!

I win the "man-cans" catagory. That what happens when you keep yourself in good shape when you are younger and let yourself go when you are older.

Lesson for today " Work out when you are youger if you want man-boobs when you are older."

 

[WildBB]

Just look at the first five projected players in this draft. You cannot miss with any of them. Well that is what all the talking heads have said, but we know better than that. I do trust RG. I also trust Whiz. and his Coaching staff.

BOBCAT

Say we do trade down because we get an extra 2nd/5th all the way down to 12 with Buffalo. They also take Wells. factoring in that the 2 QB's , Peterson, CJ and Thomas are allready gone. That leaves 7 players left. I'd take one of em. :

Adams,Brown,Landry,Branch,Okoye,Willis,Anderson/carriker.

 

[Mulli]

I win the "man-cans" catagory. That what happens when you keep yourself in good shape when you are younger and let yourself go when you are older.

Lesson for today " Work out when you are youger if you want man-boobs when you are older."

Hah.

 

[kerouac9]

Say we do trade down because we get an extra 2nd/5th all the way down to 12 with Buffalo. They also take Wells. factoring in that the 2 QB's , Peterson, CJ and Thomas are allready gone. That leaves 7 players left. I'd take one of em. :

Adams,Brown,Landry,Branch,Okoye,Willis,Anderson/carriker.

So you get the 12th overall pick (1200 points), 43rd overall pick (470 points), and 184th overall pick (thier 6th rounder because Buffalo doesn't have a 5th rounder; 18.8 points) for the 5th overall pick (1700 pts.) and Reggie Wells?

Even if Buffalo had a 5th round pick (say, 145th overall--33.5 points), you're basically throwing in Reggie Wells. I'd say trading out of the Top 9 is too risky, since you can't predict what's going to happen and ideally you'd like a choice of three guys and not be forced into the one that nobody else wanted.

 

[AzWins23]

Last time we traded down, we ended with with Bryant Johnson, and Calvin Pace. Look how that turned out for us!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Last time we traded down, we ended with with Bryant Johnson, and Calvin Pace. Look how that turned out for us!

 

[Bobcat]

Say we do trade down because we get an extra 2nd/5th all the way down to 12 with Buffalo. They also take Wells. factoring in that the 2 QB's , Peterson, CJ and Thomas are allready gone. That leaves 7 players left. I'd take one of em. :

Adams,Brown,Landry,Branch,Okoye,Willis,Anderson/carriker.

Sounds good but you over counted, remember we have pick #5 you listed 5 players...???

BOBCAT

 

[WildBB]

Sounds good but you over counted, remember we have pick #5 you listed 5 players...???

BOBCAT

Yeah, the three and the two QB's who we're not interested in. It's assuming the others are gone (Thomas, CJ and AP) in the top 4.

 

[RedStorm]

First, the thought of Rod Graves trading down scares the bejeebes out of me...

Second, if Levi Brown is in teh 7-9 range and we take him at 5 what is the big deal? Out side of money sure but picking someone within 2-3 slots should be ok. Or, am I wrong?

 

[WildBB]

So you get the 12th overall pick (1200 points), 43rd overall pick (470 points), and 184th overall pick (thier 6th rounder because Buffalo doesn't have a 5th rounder; 18.8 points) for the 5th overall pick (1700 pts.) and Reggie Wells?

Even if Buffalo had a 5th round pick (say, 145th overall--33.5 points), you're basically throwing in Reggie Wells. I'd say trading out of the Top 9 is too risky, since you can't predict what's going to happen and ideally you'd like a choice of three guys and not be forced into the one that nobody else wanted.

Point is We'd get a dang good player and a (high) second. Forget about Wells and the 5th. If we throw them Wells we get a 4th next yr.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I disagree somewhat....there are still guys in the early to mid teens that would be great values and would certainly help the team....

guys like Lawrence Timmons, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Posluszny, Reggie Nelson, Carriker, Anderson, would all be solid options that could help the team quite a bit in addition to picking up an extra pick or two

there's a lot of talent to be had in the second and third, so any extra picks they could get would be even better

that said, I think its unlikely that they trade down at all. Not because they necessarily don't want to, but more because they have no partners

there were so many deals that were gonna happen last year, and nothing really came to fruition till the Cutler trade because teams value their picks these days big time. nobody wants to pay the price to move up

hmm, i'm going to have to disagree here. there will be 32 players drafted in the first round and 32 players drafted in the second round, but if we compared talent level to talent level across multiple drafts i think this draft is a tad weak overall, and CERTAINLY a LOT weaker than last year. i'd reckon only 25 of the players have what i'd consider first round talent and maybe even less than that number have second round talent. just b/c we draft someone in a particular round doesn't mean that talent-for-talent they'll match up with the same level of talent as an individual drafted in that slot in a prior year. it is for that reason that i cringe at the thought of trading into the teens to get an "okay" first rounder only to pick up a third-round talent with an acquired 2nd rounder or a fourth-round talent in the 3rd.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Blah Blah Blah,

Hearing about the Johnson/Pace trade is about as old as the "Bidwills are cheap" line. Trading down is just fine, but it depends on what you do with the picks.

Can you imagine what would've happened if Graves has selected Boldin and Larry Johnson, instead of Johnson/Pace? Graves would be a hero.

ah, but he DIDN'T, did he? that's why it's relevant. he's the one making the decisions again and the last time it was on him and he traded down what did we get? johnson and pace! so how is that "old?" in my book it's historical. and those who ignore history's mistakes are bound to repeat them. can a puppet learn from history? i guess we'll see . . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I get what you are saying. I don't have a problem with the trade down scenerio at all. If you have a problem with trading down, because you aren't sure that Graves can make solid picks, why do we trust him to make a good pick at any time in the draft?

For the record, I want us to draft Thomas with the #5.

i don't trust him to do that.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

I disagree. You CAN miss with Russell, Quinn, or Adams. Take a look at the bust thread that was created here, A lot of people think that Russell has one of the biggest bust potentials of anyone in the 1st round.

Here is a quote from a scout about Russell: " We wont touch him. If the Raiders pass on him this could be Aaron Rodgers all over again. He lacks the work ethic and intangibles to be an elite quarterback. His upside is tremendous but so is his downside. Jacksonville may be waiting for him with open arms." Al Davis told Chris Mortenson that Russell reminds him of John Elway