Kevin Kolb Contract

[john h]

When we signed Kolb to a 61million 5 year contract here is what we based that on from his previous experience:

Great numbers from @MattPomPom. Kolb's contract breaks down thusly: $21M per career win (3); $9M per start (7); $5.7M per TD (11).

What kind of team signs a guy to this kind of contract with those kind of numbers? The Cards thats who. Do we have a numbers guy in our organization or what ever we call the top guys that run this team.

 

[football karma]

No offense, but give me the structure of that contract and we can evaluate.

 

[Paso Fino]

In fairness, not all the money is guaranteed. I would like someone to remind us how the contracts works. I thought the Cardinals could cut him at the end of this year and avoid a big payment next year.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What kind of team signs a guy to this kind of contract with those kind of numbers? The Cards thats who. Do we have a numbers guy in our organization or what ever we call the top guys that run this team.

The same kind of team who has Levi Brown due 17+ million next year.

 

[Duckjake]

The same kind of team who has Levi Brown due 17+ million next year.

Well to be fair we used to criticize the Cards for not putting those clauses in the contract and therefore losing out on better free agents and having top draft picks hold out.

The problem is that they are supposed to negotiate new contracts before it reaches the critical stage. Something I don't think they handled well.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Well to be fair we used to criticize the Cards for not putting those clauses in the contract and therefore losing out on better free agents and having top draft picks hold out.

The problem is that they are supposed to negotiate new contracts before it reaches the critical stage. Something I don't think they handled well.

Just watch, the Cards will find a way to keep Brown while letting Dansby, Rolle, Bolden, Breaston, Pace.... etc get away. The Cardinal way.

 

[Duckjake]

Just watch, the Cards will find a way to keep Brown while letting Dansby, Rolle, Bolden, Breaston, Pace.... etc get away. The Cardinal way.

LOL this reminded me of how excited some people were because the Cards extended LJ Shelton.

 

[Cheesebeef]

LOL this reminded me of how excited some people were because the Cards extended LJ Shelton.

and No Play Ray Thompson!

 

[jw7]

When we signed Kolb to a 61million 5 year contract here is what we based that on from his previous experience:

Great numbers from @MattPomPom. Kolb's contract breaks down thusly: $21M per career win (3); $9M per start (7); $5.7M per TD (11).

What kind of team signs a guy to this kind of contract with those kind of numbers? The Cards thats who. Do we have a numbers guy in our organization or what ever we call the top guys that run this team.

No you can't do math that way. He does have a $60 million contract but that is funny-money. $21 Million guaranteed or about 1.5 years of Fitz' salary as a WR.

Cards can cut him after this year and pay out the balance of guaranteed.

 

[Bodha]

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[Phrazbit]

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To call criticism of Kolb's deal "hindsight" only shows you had a severe lack of foresight. His deal was dumb even if you loved him as a player.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

LOL this reminded me of how excited some people were because the Cards extended LJ Shelton.

Or even worse, when the extended Chris Dishman. I remember just laughing that we couldn't keep guys like Jamir Miller and Lomas Brown around but actually spent money to keep Chris Dishman. Also, the FA signing of Larry Tharpe was nice.

 

[Bodha]

To call criticism of Kolb's deal "hindsight" only shows you had a severe lack of foresight. His deal was dumb even if you loved him as a player.

He got paid what starting QBs get paid.

Thats what it took to get him here, so thats what happened. There wouldve been a riot had we gone into the season with DA.


If we were 9-1 right now, thered be no 'Kolb contract' discussions. so nothing changes.

 

[kerouac9]

He got paid what starting QBs get paid.

Thats what it took to get him here, so thats what happened. There wouldve been a riot had we gone into the season with DA.


If we were 9-1 right now, thered be no 'Kolb contract' discussions. so nothing changes.

But we're not 9-1. Kolb has lead us to all of one win, and it's not apparent that he's better than Matt Moore.


Smart teams might have traded for Kolb, but they don't give him that contract before they could inspect the goods. What would he have done--hold out? Not under this CBA.

 

[Phrazbit]

He got paid what starting QBs get paid.

Thats what it took to get him here, so thats what happened. There wouldve been a riot had we gone into the season with DA.


If we were 9-1 right now, thered be no 'Kolb contract' discussions. so nothing changes.

And if I could poop gold id be rich!

Unfortunately Kolb had us closer to 1-9.

Its a complete joke to give him that contract. They could have waited until week 8 and no matter how he was doing he would have taken that juicy deal, and as it turns out they probably could have shaved 20 million off of it and he would have jumped all over it.

Of course, the original problem was trading for a crappy QB to begin with. You are now going to have to pay this junk player because you just gave his agent a ton of leverage... unless you wait and evaluate him during the year.

But the Cardinals are stupid and impatient (which is why they traded for a "win now" player) and wanted to justify their stupid trade by giving him a stupid contract.

 

[gmabel830]

But we're not 9-1. Kolb has lead us to all of one win, and it's not apparent that he's better than Matt Moore.


Smart teams might have traded for Kolb, but they don't give him that contract before they could inspect the goods. What would he have done--hold out? Not under this CBA.

Matt Moore had a QBR of 98.0 last week, he's better than frickin' Joe Montana & Dan Marino!

 

[MadCardDisease]

But we're not 9-1. Kolb has lead us to all of one win, and it's not apparent that he's better than Matt Moore.


Smart teams might have traded for Kolb, but they don't give him that contract before they could inspect the goods. What would he have done--hold out? Not under this CBA.

Really??? You were "On Record" saying that signing Kolb for about the amount the Cardinals did was about right:

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/on-record-for-kevin-kolb-168232.html?highlight=kolb

I've apparently been saddled with a reputation as someone who benefits exclusively from hindsight and someone who hates Kevin Kolb. I'm going to go on record here about my opinions for Kolb, and I'll stick to them. But I don't want people running at me telling me that I'd hate whatever the Cards front office did no matter what happened.


Here are the circumstances in which getting a fair trade for Kolb would be a success:

• Less than a first-round pick.
• Less than a Pro-Bowl player (i.e. DRC)
• Two Second-round picks
• A second-round pick that accelerates to a first with performance incentives (4000 yards passing, Pro Bowl nomination, playoff apprearance)
• A second-round pick plus starting player (i.e., Toler, Hightower, Wells)

Here are the circumstances in which Kolb's extension would be successful:

• 4-6 years
• Less than $60 million in total money
• Less than $35 million in guaranteed money

Here are the circumstances in which Kolb's performance would be successful in 2011:

• 62% completion percentage or better
• 12 starts or better
• 3:2 TD:INT ratio
• 3500 yards passing
• 7.5 wins

That's me, on record, with my minimum qualifications for pats on the back or measured denounciations. I know that there are those of you who will justify your opinions based on whatever the coaching staff says (you know who you are). These are reasonable expectations for this transaction. And this will close my discussion of Kevin Kolb until I either see him in training camp or the preseason starts.

What are yours?

 

[Russ Smith]

But we're not 9-1. Kolb has lead us to all of one win, and it's not apparent that he's better than Matt Moore.


Smart teams might have traded for Kolb, but they don't give him that contract before they could inspect the goods. What would he have done--hold out? Not under this CBA.

That contract was more for Fitz than Kolb IMHO. Remember we signed Kolb first.

Obviously they wanted Kolb but I have no doubt Fitz would not have signed if we'd waited on Kolb.

now we can argue whether that was a bad thing or not since if Kolb started slow maybe we trade Fitz before the trade deadline and get something for him, but that seems unlikely.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Cards can cut him after this year and pay out the balance of guaranteed.

That's my understanding too and Billick mentioned something to that extent during the broadcast.

I'm guessing contracts with the new CBA are the same as the old.. only the guaranteed money is, well guaranteed. Even though Kolb signed for $60mil only $21nil is guaranteed.

It's not a bad contract unless the Cards keep him for the duration and his production continues as is.

Kolb's not going to get cut after the season so everyone just needs to live with it. He'll get at least through next preseason. At minimum.

As deep of a QB draft as this will be I wouldn't mind the Cards drafting Barkley and see how next season unfolds. Then make the descision on Kolb.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

On a side note, I didn't see many people criticizing the contract extension for Ryan Fitzpatrick and that guy, and team, has gone straight down the toliet since signing. He hasn't had a passer rating above 52 in the last month.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Does anyone know how his contract actually breaks down?

 

[freebyrd]

di we have a way to cut him without paying most of this?

 

[kerouac9]

On a side note, I didn't see many people criticizing the contract extension for Ryan Fitzpatrick and that guy, and team, has gone straight down the toliet since signing. He hasn't had a passer rating above 52 in the last month.

Then you're not listening very closely. ESPN Football Today's podcast went on and on yesterday about how the Bills bought high on Fitzpatrick. And it should go without saying that Fitzpatrick had shown far more ability than Kolb has, but got equivalent money.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Then you're not listening very closely. ESPN Football Today's podcast went on and on yesterday about how the Bills bought high on Fitzpatrick. And it should go without saying that Fitzpatrick had shown far more ability than Kolb has, but got equivalent money.

What did they say at the time? Like alot of people around here, it's easy to criticize after the fact and when the QB hasn't lived up to the contract.

 

[Mulli]

Then you're not listening very closely. ESPN Football Today's podcast went on and on yesterday about how the Bills bought high on Fitzpatrick. And it should go without saying that Fitzpatrick had shown far more ability than Kolb has, but got equivalent money.

They are probably right, but that podcast is horrible.