Kevin Kolb how much to pay.

[kerouac9]

I think Bulger/Smith are complete and utter whiffs, three pitch strikeouts. And if we sign either one of those guys, Fitz is gone IMO and once we lose the face of the franchise (and ANOTHER high profile player) you might as well drop a nuclear bomb on the UOP because ain't no one's gonna want to play here.

Hasslebeck's my secondary option. if we're going band-aid, that's where we should go, but i bet we don't pony up for him either.

Then we disagree on the abilities of Bulger and Smith, especially considering that Alex Smith was significantly better than Matt Hasselback last year, and really the last two years.

We also disagree on Hasselback, who I don't think has anything at all left in the tank and has been brittle and awful the last two seasons.

I'll run with your baseball analogy because it is more cogent with the topic.

If we sign Bulger or Hasselbeck, it would be like signing Randy Johnson to a 1 or 2 year contract and expecting him to return to greatness. A once devastating 99 mph fastball has dipped to 91 mph and his slider does not have as much movement as it once did. Moreover, his arm and body have aged and sustained past injuries and is more prone to future injuries. Plus, his recovery time would be longer than a younger player. Subsequently, that baseball team has to call up a young AAA player who may or may not amount to anything.

In this argument, Bulger and Hasselbeck are Johnson and the AAA player is Skelton. Bulger and Hasselbeck were once great, but have diminished in talent, are older, and sustained past injuries. The AAA player is a young Skelton, who played recently against inferior talent. I could also use the analogy that he is a AA player who leap-frogged his way to the majors as he played at Fordham and not a BCS school. We have no clue what his level of contribution is or will be.

So instead of signing a player who has little tread on the tires and is unequivocally not the long-term solution, you take a risk on a guy like Kolb who has proven he can produce on the field. I know your counterpoint is going to be a bunch of stats (which mean nothing to me); however, you take a look at him through a scout's eyes and see a young player who can make the throws and read defenses. Does he need polishing? Sure. But not by much. He can easily be the QB for now and the future as opposed to a possible (not guaranteed) QB for now in the older aforementioned players. If we trade a first rounder and hit a homer, it does not matter as it is the equivalent of drafting a great QB, and I know if Kolb succeeds, we will look back in hindsight and say that first rounder we gave up was certainly worth it.

I'll just say this: there is a reason Andy Reid traded Donovan McNabb, a proven veteran and probable HoFer and felt comfortable about it. And it wasn't because he knew Vick was the answer, but rather Kolb proved himself. Vick's renaissance was simply an anomaly and not predicated by anyone. Additionally, there is a reason he is more coveted by teams who need a QB than Bulger, Hasselbeck, Smith or Palmer.

It's time for this franchise to take a risk. Get Kolb and don't think twice - simple

The difference between a QB and a pitcher is that your QB touches the ball every offensive down, and a pitcher only has control over maybe 30 games out of 162. You can have a 20-game winner on an awful team (Carson Palmer's career is an example), but that doesn't prevent your squad from losing 100 games. I disagree with your side of the metaphor.

Signing Bulger or Alex Smith or Hasselback would be, IMO, like signing Johnny Damon. They weren't perrennial All-Stars at their peak, but they'll do enough to keep on the roster, even if you have to pay a little more to get them. The Rays are 6 games over .500 right now.

I agree that it's time for the franchise to take a risk, but IMO the potential of Kolb is not worth the kind of risk of the Franchise for the next three or four years minimum. We disagree on the evaluation of Kevin Kolb. I think that you're underrating how over-the-hill Reid recognized Donnie McNabb to be (especially with only one year left on his contract), and instead saying that there must be something about Kevin Kolb that is awesome.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And who's the target next year? Brees? He has as much chance of hitting the open market as Peyton. Orton? We might as well give up a 3rd or 4th for him this year if he's the one. Sage Rosenfels? Brady Quinn? Jason Campbell? This is your list of 2012 FA QBs. Not overly impressive, if you ask me.

So then you're left to rely on drafting your QOTF. In your scenario, the Cards would be picking in the 20+ range as division winners. Since 2000, the following QBs have been drafted at pick 20 or lower: Patrick Ramsey, Rex Grossman, JP Losman, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow. Rodgers is obviously the only solid candidate on that list, and he took four years to develop. Whis doesn't have a four year grace period to let that happen.

Plus, you'd have to spend the first round pick on that player, which is what people are so unwilling to give up for Kolb. One way or another, next year's first rounder is likely going toward a QB. Unless it's used to replace Fitz, who could very well walk without a viable plan for QB in place. More viable than waiting for someone drafted in the late first round to develop.

I'm not exactly aching to give up a first for Kolb, but given the alternatives, I think the risks involved with getting him have been way overblown.

well put.

 

[kerouac9]

And who's the target next year? Brees? He has as much chance of hitting the open market as Peyton. Orton? We might as well give up a 3rd or 4th for him this year if he's the one. Sage Rosenfels? Brady Quinn? Jason Campbell? This is your list of 2012 FA QBs. Not overly impressive, if you ask me.

So then you're left to rely on drafting your QOTF. In your scenario, the Cards would be picking in the 20+ range as division winners. Since 2000, the following QBs have been drafted at pick 20 or lower: Patrick Ramsey, Rex Grossman, JP Losman, Aaron Rodgers, Jason Campbell, Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow. Rodgers is obviously the only solid candidate on that list, and he took four years to develop. Whis doesn't have a four year grace period to let that happen.

Plus, you'd have to spend the first round pick on that player, which is what people are so unwilling to give up for Kolb. One way or another, next year's first rounder is likely going toward a QB. Unless it's used to replace Fitz, who could very well walk without a viable plan for QB in place. More viable than waiting for someone drafted in the late first round to develop.

I'm not exactly aching to give up a first for Kolb, but given the alternatives, I think the risks involved with getting him have been way overblown.

Next year you know what you have in Skelton (maybe he turns out to be better than a career backup), or you can invest in a quarterback in the first round. Any of the QBs that come out will be more prepared to contribute sooner than Gabbert or Newton or maybe even Locker would've been. If the defense is good enough to help us win the NFC West, then we shouldn't need to draft for need at the outside pass rusher position.

Add into the likelihood that there will be some kind of rookie salary structure in place for the 2012 draft class, and you're going to be spending immensely less for a five- or six-year commitment to a rookie quarterback than you would be trading for Kolb and signing him to a contract somewhere between Matt Cassell and Aaron Rodgers.

If we're drafting in the 20s, then we likely made the playoffs, and Fitz will re-sign with us because we won. Do you think that if Kolb is traded for and we still lose 10 games that Fitz will say, "Well, they showed a commitment to the QB position because they got this guy who can't win and we're stuck with him for three more years"? And then sign on the dotted line? If we're drafting in the 20s, then we can trade up into the early teens and get a QB that we want.

Even if the drafted QB is a Blaine Gabbert-type project, the fact that you made the playoffs once with Bulger/Hasselback means that you'll be able to compete for the playoffs again with him (neither of those guys are signing one-year deals) while the rookie learns the offense and comes in when they're hurt.

When the can is as ugly as I think that Kevin Kolb: Franchise QB is, I don't mind kicking it down the road a year. Whatever flavor of the month that will be available for trade in 2012 will be about as promising as Kevin Kolb is.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Then we disagree on the abilities of Bulger and Smith, especially considering that Alex Smith was significantly better than Matt Hasselback last year, and really the last two years.

so good that he led his heavily favored team to an 0-5 record while playing like utter and complete crap. When the chips are down, Smith plays like complete and utter ****... when the chips are off the table (or when he's playing the Cardinals) he looks ok. No thanks to that. As to Hasselback, I don't think he's a great option, but of all the FA, at least he's a guy who COULD be rejuvenated (looked pretty damn sick to me against NO and played well against the Bears if his WRs could catch) and at least he's won before. Smith is a loser IMO. we've got enough of those on this team.

We also disagree on Hasselback, who I don't think has anything at all left in the tank and has been brittle and awful the last two seasons.

ok. I'd rather take my chances with a former winner who's been beat up the last two years but still showed enough to beat the Saints/Bears/SD last year and played very well in the playoffs.

 

[conraddobler]

I'll say it again, once more.

The only QB on a current roster that I'd trade for is Chase Daniel with NO, and of all the FA, Palmer is the most attractive to me.

Other than that I expect things to be less than optimum.

Chase Daniel is the most Warner like QB that we could possibly AFFORD to trade for, Kolb IMO isn't the answer for what we're going to do.

You need a QB who makes very quick decisions and knows how to spread it around to make our offense go, that's Chase Daniel.

2008 Completions--- 385 Attempts--- 528 Yards--- 4,335 Completion percentage--- 72.9% Yards per Attempt ---8.21 Long---80 TDS---39 Interceptions---18 Sacked---14 Rating---159.44

He's undrafted just like Warner, he's about the same size 6' 1" vs 6' 2"

I hope someone is smart enough to start him someday, if you compare his stats in a spread to Tebows his crush Tebows and yet he went in the first round.

Now if everyone wants to fantisize about Kolb being better than that go ahead, I aint buying it.

 

[Dayman]

Add into the likelihood that there will be some kind of rookie salary structure in place for the 2012 draft class, and you're going to be spending immensely less for a five- or six-year commitment to a rookie quarterback than you would be trading for Kolb and signing him to a contract somewhere between Matt Cassell and Aaron Rodgers.

That's a fair point, but it would likely be just as expensive to pay the rookie and a stopgap for a couple years. Your sig even says that Bulger will be looking at $10 million per year. I also thought the new CBA would limit rookie contracts to four years, which would minimize the savings. Not to mention that we still don't know for sure how much Kolb is looking for in his new contract. A Cassel-type deal ($10 million per, $28 million guaranteed) wouldn't exactly be crippling. It would even be a bargain if Kolb turned into an above average QB.

Even if the drafted QB is a Blaine Gabbert-type project, the fact that you made the playoffs once with Bulger/Hasselback means that you'll be able to compete for the playoffs again with him (neither of those guys are signing one-year deals) while the rookie learns the offense and comes in when they're hurt.

I'm not convinced Bulger or Hasselbeck will make it through one full season. Two playoff caliber years would be fairly shocking to me.

When the can is as ugly as I think that Kevin Kolb: Franchise QB is, I don't mind kicking it down the road a year. Whatever flavor of the month that will be available for trade in 2012 will be about as promising as Kevin Kolb is.

This is obviously where we differ. I think Kolb is a great fit with Whis. He's a relentless worker, he's fairly mobile, he's comfortable throwing the ball 35 times a game and he's shown the ability to play well in his limited starts. Sure, he has his question marks, but I believe he's worth the risk. Depending on the trade compensation, of course. Somers suggestion of 800 points on the draft trade chart sounds about right.

 

[DoTheDew]

So instead of signing a player who has little tread on the tires and is unequivocally not the long-term solution, you take a risk on a guy like Kolb who has proven he can produce on the field. I know your counterpoint is going to be a bunch of stats (which mean nothing to me); however, you take a look at him through a scout's eyes and see a young player who can make the throws and read defenses. Does he need polishing? Sure. But not much. He can easily be the QB for now and the future as opposed to a possible (not guaranteed) QB for now in the older aforementioned players. If we trade a first rounder and hit a homer, it does not matter as it is the equivalent of drafting a great QB, and I know if Kolb succeeds, we will look back in hindsight and say that first rounder we gave up was certainly worth it.

If you want to compare Kolb to a baseball pitcher, I think the best example is Dice-K. A guy who's highly uncertain but has a really high ceiling. The Red Sox decided to go ahead and break the bank for him, and while he has had some good games, he has not been the type of impact player that warrants the cost. This is exactly what I expect to happen with Kolb. He'll be a middling QB who can win you some games and maybe even get you to the playoffs if you give him a good D, but he'll never get you to a SB and by trading for him and giving him a big extension, the Cards won't be making any SBs either.

I guess what it boils down to is, do you want to use bandaids and keep sucking until you get lucky and find a true franchise QB, or do you want to break the bank on a guy who's not on the elite level but a step below in Kolb and be a good team but never have any SBs to show for it?

 

[kerouac9]

TJ -- Has Kevin Kolb shown more to this point in his career than what #7 showed before he went into the time-share with Warner? In what ways? Do you want to trade a #1 pick and a mid-seven-figure contract to go through the #7 experience again?

 

[TJ]

TJ -- Has Kevin Kolb shown more to this point in his career than what #7 showed before he went into the time-share with Warner? In what ways? Do you want to trade a #1 pick and a mid-seven-figure contract to go through the #7 experience again?

I guess you could have asked the same question about Schaub a few years back. At the time, people asked "why the hell would Houston take a huge gamble on him?" Well, it turns out scouts and coaches knew more than the typical arm chair quarterback.

As for the difference between Kolb and #9 (that's his jersey # at Houston now. gotta update that my man ), I think it is more mental than physical. Does #9 have the physical tools to be a good QB in the league? Most definitely. But he seems to have some sort of mental block that keeps him from succeeding. Whether it's lack of focus, mental toughness, motivation, leadership, confidence, etc., he cannot handle the intangible duties of being a QB and a field general for an NFL team. We saw him play scared and tentative in preseason. We saw him cry to the media when Whiz wanted to challenge him. We heard rumors and reports about rifts in the locker room. The bottom line is even though we had the worst QB production in the league last season, it does not diminish the fact that #9 could not prove he was a leader and reliable QBoF. In order for him to succeed, he has to first work on his mental game. Plus, it seemed as if the relationship between him and the Cards was irreconcilable at the point when he was released.

From what I've seen with Kolb, he does not play scared. He's not afraid to take risks down the field and he makes good decisions. In his few opportunities, like Schaub had, he has shown he can light up the field with yards and TDs. I like his arm, I like his toughness and I like his determination. Again, there are people that know more than I about football (in more than one organization) who think he is worth the risk of a big time salary and a first rounder. There are no guarantees in any path we take with the QB spot. We could handcuff ourselves for an unknown period of time if we continue to bring in over-the-hill guys to temporarily fill the need at that position. I dont think any of the ones available are close to Warner's abilities. But at least with Kolb, we know there is a good possibility he can be a very good to great QB in this league and can sustain the position for several years.

Overall, there is a huge gray area at QB for the Cardinals. We can choose to be frugal and overly cautious and pick up 35-year olds, or we can take risks on players who may be productive for years to come. The worst thing that could happen is he goes to another team and lights up the league. Then, we are left with regret and cognitive dissonance.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah... I actually don't think we're that far apart on our evaluations of Kolb. Kolb's ceiling is probably Matt Schaub, but where has Matt Schaub lead the Texans? Would you trade a first-round pick (plus?) for Matt Schaub, understanding that Schaub was in a more complex offense in Houston?

I wouldn't. I'd think hard about trading a first-rounder for Schaub, but not more than that. Schaub seems just as soft to me as Kevin Kolb. Kolb's put up good stats, but hasn't performed when the pressure was on. There was also a reason why Andy Reid went back to Donnie McNabb once it seemed like the transition had happened two years ago.

 

[TJ]

Yeah... I actually don't think we're that far apart on our evaluations of Kolb. Kolb's ceiling is probably Matt Schaub, but where has Matt Schaub lead the Texans? Would you trade a first-round pick (plus?) for Matt Schaub, understanding that Schaub was in a more complex offense in Houston?

I wouldn't. I'd think hard about trading a first-rounder for Schaub, but not more than that. Schaub seems just as soft to me as Kevin Kolb. Kolb's put up good stats, but hasn't performed when the pressure was on. There was also a reason why Andy Reid went back to Donnie McNabb once it seemed like the transition had happened two years ago.

Well if he's anything like Matt Schaub, you can expect him to pass for at least 4000 yards and 24 TDs. That's what his stats indicate from the last two seasons when he has played all 16 games. You are also talking about the guy who was the league leader in passing yards in 2009: more than Peyton, more than Brady, more than Warner, etc etc etc. He also threw for 29 TDs that season. 2010 wasn't bad either.

If that's what we get from Kolb, then my short-term memory would kick in with regards to what we gave up to get him.

Additionally, I'm not sure about the pressure situation The last game Kolb played in 2009, he threw for 327 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs. I think that pressure thing is blown out of proportion. McNabb came back simply because he was healthy and the franchise QB of the team. Nothing more, nothing less. Again, Reid was very comfortable trading McNabb because Kolb was in their back pocket. Moreover, Kolb has been groomed by respected coaches as opposed to being thrown to the wolves like many other young QBs.

The market is going to dictate what he's worth; not our perceptions or opinions. You may think he's worth a 2nd rounder, but if push comes to shove and the 49ers, for example, are offering a 1st, then you'll have to come in with a 1st and/or get very creative to outdo their offer.

 

[kerouac9]

How many playoff appearances has Schaub lead the Texans to? What have those 4000 yard seasons built for Houston?

As for a bidding war, it feels to me like a lot of fans are allowing their desperation for and hope from the QB position to lead them into overpaying for a guy who isn't going to lead anyone anywhere.

 

[Jetstream Green]

If the old school owner of the Bengals breaks and is willing to trade Palmer, then I would go after it and maybe a second round pick and say a fifth could do it. Kolb has not shown enough in enough time to trade for him and I think it would be a mistake. Who ever becomes the QB, I will support them but please just say no to Kolb. I would really like Bulger than Kolb. Trading for Kolb is almost like taking a risk on drafting a QB in the top ten and hoping and praying he works but at least you can do that in the draft without having to give anything up as Kolb would demand

 

[TJ]

How many playoff appearances has Schaub lead the Texans to? What have those 4000 yard seasons built for Houston?

He's won more games per season than David Carr. The problem is not Schaub and the offense, but rather their anemic defense, which needs to be better than good in the AFC South. Again, for the 7th time in 10 drafts, they went defense in the first round (DE JJ Watt). They can't seem to figure it out. With Wade Phillips running the D, they might finally get over the hump. Schaub cant play QB and linebacker.

As for a bidding war, it feels to me like a lot of fans are allowing their desperation for and hope from the QB position to lead them into overpaying for a guy who isn't going to lead anyone anywhere.

Well that's your opinion about leading a team nowhere. But you cannot say that definitively. The difference is I'm not jumping to conclusions about his production, but rather giving reasons why he could succeed. I may be wrong, but again, what if he goes to another team, does well, and we continue to struggle on offense? Then that proposed deal looks like a steal hindsight.

I dont think Im being desperate but rather being realistic based on multiple reports and knowledge of how the market works. If the Eagles had only one bidder, they may have to settle for a 2nd rounder or less or keep the guy and lose him in free agency. But if indeed the reports are true and more than a few teams are foaming at the mouth for Kolb, then a 1st round pick (and maybe more) is what they will most likely get.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'll preface this by saying I wouldn't be comfortable with trading a first rounder for Kolb. There is just too much possible QB and defensive talent in next year's draft for me to think that is a wise move. If the Eagles won't budge from wanting a first rounder or if a team offer a package with a first rounder and more, I'd say thanks for the offer and move on to Orton. Smith won't be available, IMO he's a pipedream, he will stay in SF. Hassellbeck is done; anyone who has paid attention knows he's not even a mediocre QB right now. Bulger is old and wouldn't be a long term solution, and he hasn't been good in SIX YEARS. That's a huge gamble, and one I wouldn't bank on.

This leaves me with Orton who has been solid with less than desirable receivers, is still fairly young, and still has a bit of upside. IMO if the compensation for Kolb is too great, this is the guy I look at.

I would offer a package of 2x 2nd rounders (one in 2012, one in 2013) and a conditional draft pick based on starts and QB rating that could potentially be a 2012 3rd rounder, and at worst would be a 4th rounder. Is that a gamble? Sure is but if it didn't work out it wouldn't cripple the franchise and would still give the Eagles a net gain of a second and fourth round pick.

Kerouac: QBs don't always look great in small windows of playing time. Kolb has played well enough at times that the Philadelphia Eagles, a perennial playoff team and a team noted for wise player personnel decisions for the most part, anointed him the starter and traded away a hall of fame QB. Based on film, Kolb has looked the part regardless of what the stats show. There is a reason that a buzz surrounds the guys, he has the makings of a very good NFL QB.

I'll take that swing for a homerun; just not on a 3-2 count. I'd rather take that homerun swing on a 3-1 count and leave myself some room for error, as small as that room may be. Investing a 1st rounder and more constitutes a massive risk IMO, and one that this team shouldn't take. But I would still offer a very nice compensation package for him.

 

[Cheesebeef]

you know what's really interesting about Kolb... I don't know if anyone else notices this, but in general, on this board, certain people seem to view football the same way, agreeing with each other more often than not, no matter what the subject (not because they're "friends" or "haters" or "lovers" or whatever, simply because they think about football in the same way). but with Kolb, we're ALL OVER THE MAP.

that's all.

 

[THESMEL]

Man, Kolb is unproven, He got his chance last year and sucked, and stayed hurt. He might be good, but Matty will have the better career.

Mcnabb is my first choice to start and mentor Skelton, Redskins ran less than us last year, yes it is possible! That put DM in a bad situation.

 

[Duckjake]

Man, Kolb is unproven, He got his chance last year and sucked, and stayed hurt. He might be good, but Matty will have the better career.

Mcnabb is my first choice to start and mentor Skelton, Redskins ran less than us last year, yes it is possible! That put DM in a bad situation.

The Redskins finished 33rd in rushing attempts last season? Didn't know that.

 

[ActingWild]

I voted for a second rounder or less. I don't like the idea of trading our first round pick, in a QB talented draft with Andrew Luck, for an uncertain commodity. If he fails or gets injured and it ends up being that we traded the first pick in the draft away (Andrew Luck) we'll all be meeting face to face on at the rim of the Grand Canyon, briefly, before jumping off. In addition, he's going to want a huge contract without having PROVEN anything and it's a no-go for me for anything more than a 2nd rounder.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Another thing to ponder:

Quite a few of the mentioned destinations for Kolb have dried up, or are probably unrealistic to start with.

Minnesota, Cincy, and the 49ers all addressed QB in the draft. The Seahawks are unlikely to go after him after bring in Whitehurst and showing serious interest resign Hass. The Dolphins could be a contender, but they have a young guy (Henne) with tools who is inconsistent and they're likely to give him another shot and bring in a vet as insurance. The Redskins are unlikely to try and trade for him, and I doubt the Eagles would trade a young QB with some upside to a division rival.

IMO we are the ONLY real suitor for a Kolb trade, and the asking price of a 1st rounder is a bit ridiculous. What if we traded for Kolb AND signed Bulger to go with Skelton? That would be ideal IMO.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Another thing to ponder:

Quite a few of the mentioned destinations for Kolb have dried up, or are probably unrealistic to start with.

Minnesota, Cincy, and the 49ers all addressed QB in the draft. The Seahawks are unlikely to go after him after bring in Whitehurst and showing serious interest resign Hass. The Dolphins could be a contender, but they have a young guy (Henne) with tools who is inconsistent and they're likely to give him another shot and bring in a vet as insurance. The Redskins are unlikely to try and trade for him, and I doubt the Eagles would trade a young QB with some upside to a division rival.

IMO we are the ONLY real suitor for a Kolb trade, and the asking price of a 1st rounder is a bit ridiculous. What if we traded for Kolb AND signed Bulger to go with Skelton? That would be ideal IMO.

If Redskins traded for Kolb, I'd laugh my ass off.

 

[BirdMan21]

Unofficially (due to the lack a CBA, teams "aren't talking") the asking price is laughably high. Until the Eagles bring it down, they aren't going to find a team to buy (the Cards for sure at least). But can't blame them for asking for the moon and hoping for a bite.....either they will lower the price, or they end up with a cheap backup to Vick.

 

[BirdMan21]

The Redskins finished 33rd in rushing attempts last season? Didn't know that.

That's amazing......that's damn near last.

 

[WarnerHOF]

3rd round pick at the most. You don't trade anything more for average QBs who can only MAYBE get you out of a mediocre NFC West, I'd rather have Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley after a bad year.

 

[Cardiac]

I have not been a fan of bringing Kolb into the nest but I'm warming up to the idea.

I still have a couple of concerns:

Giving up a 1st rd pick in what appears to be a QB rich draft this coming year.

1)Kolb has just enough game tape to be intrigued but not enough to feel very confident.

2)There is enough game tape at this point for other teams to know where to attack him. Does he look great like Mat Moore then simply implodes?

3)Can he perform in a non WC offense?

Since the Eagles drafted Kolb in the 2nd rd they are going to want to see a return on their investment. I'll semi piggy back off of Krang and say that we offer a 2nd rd pick in 2012 and a 2nd in 2013. This gives the Eagles a decent return on their investment but allows us to still have enough ammo in the upcoming drafts.

Rumors are flying fast and furious but we aren't the only suitors for Kolb. At least us and the Seahawks are going to make offers. Petey likes competition so it doesn't suprise me he has tried to re-sign Hassleback and might bring in LEENART (which I don't get). Whitehurst hasn't impressed so going after Kolb (WC QB with a WC OC) makes a ton of sense.

The Dolphins are really just a good QB away from competing for a playoff spot.

Holgrem and Reid are close and the Browns have been rumored to be in the Kolb sweepstakes. They do have an extra 1st and 4th rd pick next year that could be used to get Kolb. Maybe that's one of the reasons the Browns traded down this past draft, they wanted ammo to get Kolb.

Wolfley has stated on several occasions that he KNOWS the Cards want Kolb.

I do think Kolb gets us at least 8 wins next year and probably more. We did win 5 games with DA, Hall and a VERY GREEN Skelton.

I was one who thought Reid might be pulling a Feeley on us but IIRC he didn't go on and on about how wonderful he was as he is with Kolb. Reid (IIRC) moved up to draft Kolb. He did trade McNabb and annoint Kolb as the starter. I do think he knew that Vick was improving so it wasn't the ringing endorsement that some take it for but it isn't nothing either.