Kevin Kolb Isn't Good Enough to Win a Game for You

[RugbyMuffin]

It's not even close to the same thing. It's not that he's not playing well in the 4th quarter; it's that he's getting demonstrably worse as the season goes on. And that he's dreadful in quarters 2 and 3 which takes the entire passing offense off the table.

The defense handed the offense the ball in Giants territory 3 times in the first quarter and we got 6 points out of it!

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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

He blows, cards got Feeley'd by philly.

 

[Russ Smith]

You're not even saying it's the same thing because Rodgers lit up the scoreboard like a pinball machine when he first started playing--and the Packers didn't give up anything to bring him in, either.

It's not even close to the same thing. It's not that he's not playing well in the 4th quarter; it's that he's getting demonstrably worse as the season goes on. And that he's dreadful in quarters 2 and 3 which takes the entire passing offense off the table.

The defense handed the offense the ball in Giants territory 3 times in the first quarter and we got 6 points out of it!

They won 6 games the first year Rodgers was playing regularly and the book was Rodgers held the ball too long and was getting sacked too much because of it. He got sacked 34 times the first year and 50 the next and I had people on this board telling me see I told you that you were wrong about Rodgers he holds the ball too long.

now the difference is he threw 28 TD's to 13 picks the first year and 30 to 7 the next but he had the exact same comments about him when he took over as the starter, holds the ball too long, doesn't react well to the rush.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He blows, cards got Feeley'd by philly.

Not really because DRC has done nothing either. I'm not ready to give up on Kolb yet.

 

[kerouac9]

They won 6 games the first year Rodgers was playing regularly and the book was Rodgers held the ball too long and was getting sacked too much because of it. He got sacked 34 times the first year and 50 the next and I had people on this board telling me see I told you that you were wrong about Rodgers he holds the ball too long.

now the difference is he threw 28 TD's to 13 picks the first year and 30 to 7 the next but he had the exact same comments about him when he took over as the starter, holds the ball too long, doesn't react well to the rush.

Okay... so except for how profoundly productive Rodgers was, he's exactly like Kolb? I drafted Rodgers in like the 14th round in fantasy that season and rode him to an undefeated season, I remember that year very, very well.

It's nothing like we're experiencing here. Rodgers was at least able to find targets other than Donald Driver.

I was hoping that we'd be losing shootouts and the last team with the ball would win, but we're not winning shootouts. We're losing games when the other team scores 13 points.

 

[Russ Smith]

Okay... so except for how profoundly productive Rodgers was, he's exactly like Kolb? I drafted Rodgers in like the 14th round in fantasy that season and rode him to an undefeated season, I remember that year very, very well.

It's nothing like we're experiencing here. Rodgers was at least able to find targets other than Donald Driver.

I was hoping that we'd be losing shootouts and the last team with the ball would win, but we're not winning shootouts. We're losing games when the other team scores 13 points.

Where did I say he was exactly like Kolb? I said not that it's going to turn out the same but people made the exact same comments about Rodgers when he first played that they're making about Kolb now.

Multiple people on this board told me Rodgers was going to fail and he was another Tedford QB that would fail in the NFL and him holding the ball too long would be his undoing.

That's what I said. If kolb puts up 28 TDs to 13 picks this year I think we'd both be pretty happy with that? That's what Rodgers did as a first year starter.

But early in his career he had lots of Packer fans complaining, holds the ball too long, in the close games the Packers keep losing etc.

He was able to get over the hump, we don't know yet if Kolb will or not.

 

[kerouac9]

Where did I say he was exactly like Kolb? I said not that it's going to turn out the same but people made the exact same comments about Rodgers when he first played that they're making about Kolb now.

Multiple people on this board told me Rodgers was going to fail and he was another Tedford QB that would fail in the NFL and him holding the ball too long would be his undoing.

That's what I said. If kolb puts up 28 TDs to 13 picks this year I think we'd both be pretty happy with that? That's what Rodgers did as a first year starter.

But early in his career he had lots of Packer fans complaining, holds the ball too long, in the close games the Packers keep losing etc.

He was able to get over the hump, we don't know yet if Kolb will or not.

If Kolb was as good as Aaron Rodgers was his first year in Green Bay, people wouldn't be complaining. Heck, if Kolb were as good as he was in his spot starts in Philly, people wouldn't be complaining.

But that's not the case. I get why you're carrying water for Kolb right now--and for Whis who chose him--but the issue is not just holding the ball too long and taking sacks. The issue is not locating secondary or tertiary targets and being productive in the offense.

There wasn't a hump for Rodgers except going from good fantasy QB to good QB (call it the Phillip Rivers Conundrum). Kolb just isn't productive, and he's getting worse every game, not better.

 

[CtCardinals78]

If Kolb was as good as Aaron Rodgers was his first year in Green Bay, people wouldn't be complaining. Heck, if Kolb were as good as he was in his spot starts in Philly, people wouldn't be complaining.

But that's not the case. I get why you're carrying water for Kolb right now--and for Whis who chose him--but the issue is not just holding the ball too long and taking sacks. The issue is not locating secondary or tertiary targets and being productive in the offense.

There wasn't a hump for Rodgers except going from good fantasy QB to good QB (call it the Phillip Rivers Conundrum). Kolb just isn't productive, and he's getting worse every game, not better.

I remember hearing earlier this week that they were going to open up the play book for him a little more this week. I wonder if that is messing with him a little bit. I don't think Kolb is a bad QB, and he's better than what the Cards had last year, but I don't see him as a QB you ever want to have the ball late in the 4th needing a comeback to win.

 

[Duckjake]

There wasn't a hump for Rodgers except going from good fantasy QB to good QB (call it the Phillip Rivers Conundrum). Kolb just isn't productive, and he's getting worse every game, not better.
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This is the real concern. If, as the apologists claim, Kolb needs to adjust to a new system shouldn't he be getting progressively better instead of progressively worse?

 

[Russ Smith]

If Kolb was as good as Aaron Rodgers was his first year in Green Bay, people wouldn't be complaining. Heck, if Kolb were as good as he was in his spot starts in Philly, people wouldn't be complaining.

But that's not the case. I get why you're carrying water for Kolb right now--and for Whis who chose him--but the issue is not just holding the ball too long and taking sacks. The issue is not locating secondary or tertiary targets and being productive in the offense.

There wasn't a hump for Rodgers except going from good fantasy QB to good QB (call it the Phillip Rivers Conundrum). Kolb just isn't productive, and he's getting worse every game, not better.

Rodgers' 3rd and 4th starts that year were not good at all 2 TD 3 picks took 8 sacks they lost both games and everyone was saying see I told you they couldn't replace Favre. Then he played brilliantly the next 3 games passer ratings over 100, won 2 of 3 including a win over Indy.

What I'm saying is I hope Kolb comes close to doing what Rodgers did the rest of the way because right now his first 4 starts mirror what Rodgers did his first 4 starts replacing Favre.

Obviously it's a lot easier to replace Derek Anderson than it is Favre and I'm not saying Kolb is going to be as good as Rodgers, I'm saying the reaction after 4 starts was the same. People were predicting Rodgers would be benched eventually.

 

[PJ1]

This is the real concern. If, as the apologists claim, Kolb needs to adjust to a new system shouldn't he be getting progressively better instead of progressively worse?

This is what bothers me also. Teams are now getting all of this film on him to review and it could get worse.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Kolb is Ken Whisenhunt's hand-picked guy. Whisenhunt has had three years to groom his QB of the future and chose Kolb. Ryan Fitzpatrick could have been had for much less.

Andy Reid would not have let Kolb go if he was as good as Whisenhunt made Kolb out to be. This should not be a surprise

 

[LarryStalling]

They won 6 games the first year Rodgers was playing regularly and the book was Rodgers held the ball too long and was getting sacked too much because of it. He got sacked 34 times the first year and 50 the next and I had people on this board telling me see I told you that you were wrong about Rodgers he holds the ball too long.

now the difference is he threw 28 TD's to 13 picks the first year and 30 to 7 the next but he had the exact same comments about him when he took over as the starter, holds the ball too long, doesn't react well to the rush.

But Kolb has traditionally thrown about as many ints as he has td.

 

[Duckjake]

Kolb is Ken Whisenhunt's hand-picked guy. Whisenhunt has had three years to groom his QB of the future and chose Kolb. Ryan Fitzpatrick could have been had for much less.

Andy Reid would not have let Kolb go if he was as good as Whisenhunt made Kolb out to be. This should not be a surprise

To me it isn't as much of a surprise that Kolb isn't that good as it is that the Cards aren't that much better than last year overall now that Dereck Anderson and Max Hall are gone. In fact their record is worse.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

To me it isn't as much of a surprise that Kolb isn't that good as it is that the Cards aren't that much better than last year overall now that Dereck Anderson and Max Hall are gone. In fact their record is worse.

Billy Davis was a better defensive coordinator than the stooge that Whisenhunt and Graves brought in. Horton is completely out of his league

 

[Matt L]

Rodgers' 3rd and 4th starts that year were not good at all 2 TD 3 picks took 8 sacks they lost both games and everyone was saying see I told you they couldn't replace Favre. Then he played brilliantly the next 3 games passer ratings over 100, won 2 of 3 including a win over Indy.

What I'm saying is I hope Kolb comes close to doing what Rodgers did the rest of the way because right now his first 4 starts mirror what Rodgers did his first 4 starts replacing Favre.

Obviously it's a lot easier to replace Derek Anderson than it is Favre and I'm not saying Kolb is going to be as good as Rodgers, I'm saying the reaction after 4 starts was the same. People were predicting Rodgers would be benched eventually.

I hope so too. I don't know if QBs are just born with the ability to keep their eyes down field while sliding and stepping into the pocket or if that is a skill that is actually learned. Hopefully, it is something learned and Kolb is able to pick it up because I really believe that is what is holding him back from being a good QB.

 

[Cards_Campos]

How good does Hassleback look now too ...Dude lost his star receiver and still threw for about 300 yards.

 

[PJ1]

Billy Davis was a better defensive coordinator than the stooge that Whisenhunt and Graves brought in. Horton is completely out of his league

Really. What the hell is it with everyone thinking this guy would save us.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Really. What the hell is it with everyone thinking this guy would save us.

No. Billy Davis was a poor Defensive Coordinator. It is just that Horton may be the worst DC in the history of the league.

 

[Russ Smith]

Kolb is Ken Whisenhunt's hand-picked guy. Whisenhunt has had three years to groom his QB of the future and chose Kolb. Ryan Fitzpatrick could have been had for much less.

Andy Reid would not have let Kolb go if he was as good as Whisenhunt made Kolb out to be. This should not be a surprise

The guy he let him go for is 1-3 too.

I am concerned that Kolb is playing worse as the season goes on and I am concerned that teams are figuring out he only seems to trust Fitz and Heap, but that's not unusual for a QB who hasn't played a whole lot, particularly a guy who hasn't played with any of those receivers before this season.

 

[Russ Smith]

But Kolb has traditionally thrown about as many ints as he has td.

He hasn't played that much, almost all QB's do that early in their NFL careers.

The key is can they get past that, we don't know yet with Kolb.

 

[MrYeahBut]

The guy he let him go for is 1-3 too.

I am concerned that Kolb is playing worse as the season goes on and I am concerned that teams are figuring out he only seems to trust Fitz and Heap, but that's not unusual for a QB who hasn't played a whole lot, particularly a guy who hasn't played with any of those receivers before this season.

I think he trusts Doucet, he just can't find him when it counts

 

[ajcardfan]

This game has left me almost speechless.......

But, changing absolutely nothing that Kolb has done, give me two plays, two plays only, going the Cards way these last three weeks and we are 3-1 instead of 1-3 and people would be singing the praises of Kolb, Horton and everyone else we're mad at right now.

It's a short trip from toast-of-the-town to crap-on-toast.

 

[Russ Smith]

I hope so too. I don't know if QBs are just born with the ability to keep their eyes down field while sliding and stepping into the pocket or if that is a skill that is actually learned. Hopefully, it is something learned and Kolb is able to pick it up because I really believe that is what is holding him back from being a good QB.

Yep he definitely has to work on that. Obviously if the tackles weren't beaten like a drum on every pass play it would help.

I think the thing is he's not only essentially starting fulltime for the first time, he's doing it on an entirely different team, new coach, new receivers. That's why not having a normal offseason was so bad for him.

At least with Rodgers he was with the Packers the whole time so he knew the system and the players before he took over.

But obviously if Kolb of the last 2 games is the real Kolb, it's going to be a problem.

 

[Duckjake]

He hasn't played that much, almost all QB's do that early in their NFL careers.

The key is can they get past that, we don't know yet with Kolb.

Great we have a 5th year Rookie at QB. What we are seeing is just about what he did in Philly last season. I believe we're not going to get anymore out of this guy. Hopefully we can win with him being frustratingly mediocre.