Kevin Kolb, John Skelton have high hopes for offseason

[blindseyed]

Me too!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000...opes-for-offseason?module=HP11_headline_stack

 

[BigRedRage]

wow what a crappy article. Basically says nothing

Kolb and Skelton reportedly are even heading into the offseason workouts, which stand to benefit Skelton the most. As a 2010 fifth-round pick, last offseason was critical to his development and he was denied that work by the lockout. Six weeks in, Skelton is already seeing the benefits of the program.

they are even heading to OTAs? what else would they do?

 

[blindseyed]

wow what a crappy article. Basically says nothing

Slow news day, unless of course you wanna read another story on how the Pats and Cowboys are favorites for the SB yet again lol

 

[BigRedRage]

wait, they are even as far as competition. Now I get what he said. Still a lame ass article but appreciate the link.

 

[Duckjake]

"When we started (this offseason), you realized how much they missed last year," McNulty said. "We're going from ground zero so to speak: each play, each protection, each situation."

So Kolb, Skelton, and Bartel learned absolutely nothing during the 5 weeks of pre season and 17 weeks of the season last year? What do they do in practice all week? Oh yeah I forgot. They go to the Cinema.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

So Kolb, Skelton, and Bartel learned absolutely nothing during the 5 weeks of pre season and 17 weeks of the season last year? What do they do in practice all week? Oh yeah I forgot. They go to the Cinema.

Maybe this is why they have a new QB coach.

 

[THESMEL]

a lot


I argue that Horton took the same players in a similar defense and emphasized the fundamental and improved that defense 2 fold

We went from a high risk high reward Clancy/Davis -complicated scheme - 3-4 defense -that concentrated on getting turnovers and big plays as a priority. Bend don't break -give up the yardage but get stingy at the goal line!

To a low risk low reward- fundamentally focused priority-draw a line in the dirt- I'll block you, hit you, cover you and tackle you for every inch of this grid iron, If we get a turnover it will because we knocked a turnover out of you or won the battle with fundamentally sound coverage’s as a unit.

I say all that to say this about this read, Mcnulty impresses me, you see even with no offseason, CBA delay and the late start for Kolb at camp- QB fundamentals needed to be priority last year, Chris Miller concentrated on 3-5-7 step drops, complicated defensive reading and reacting- pass receiver progressions- instead of drilling the fundamentals into the offense with young or new QB.

No time? well it is like it is 1pm and you have an flight at 2pm,
It takes 1 hour to get to the airport, it is the most important appointment in your entire year- you must be there on time- or ruin your year.
You look down and see your car on empty
there is no time to put gas in your car- you willl miss your flight!
Do you stop and get gas? or run out on the way

 

[JeffGollin]

So Kolb, Skelton, and Bartel learned absolutely nothing during the 5 weeks of pre season and 17 weeks of the season last year? What do they do in practice all week? Oh yeah I forgot. They go to the Cinema.

I think you're confusing the concept - of going back to the beginning and making sure your fundamentals are sound - vs. having learned nothing during the previous year.

It sounds to me like McNulty just wants to make sure that, during the chaos of last season, any bad habits that may have been picked up in the heat of battle a year ago will be undone

 

[pinetopred]

I think you're misintepreting the concept - of going back to the beginning and making sure your fundamentals are sound - with having learned nothing during the previous year.

It sounds to me like McNulty just wants to make sure that, during the chaos of last season, any bad habits that may have been picked up in the heat of battle a year ago will be undone

Either that or he is a coach who thinks everything is based off fundamentals and will run future OTA's the exact same way. IMO no matter how good a player is its usually starts with the fundamentals, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is just how he plans on coaching.

 

[Stronso]

I argue that Horton took the same players in a similar defense and emphasized the fundamental and improved that defense 2 fold

We went from a high risk high reward Clancy/Davis -complicated scheme - 3-4 defense -that concentrated on getting turnovers and big plays as a priority. Bend don't break -give up the yardage but get stingy at the goal line!

To a low risk low reward- fundamentally focused priority-draw a line in the dirt- I'll block you, hit you, cover you and tackle you for every inch of this grid iron, If we get a turnover it will because we knocked a turnover out of you or won the battle with fundamentally sound coverage’s as a unit.

I say all that to say this about this read, Mcnulty impresses me, you see even with no offseason, CBA delay and the late start for Kolb at camp- QB fundamentals needed to be priority last year, Chris Miller concentrated on 3-5-7 step drops, complicated defensive reading and reacting- pass receiver progressions- instead of drilling the fundamentals into the offense with young or new QB.

No time? well it is like it is 1pm and you have an flight at 2pm,
It takes 1 hour to get to the airport, it is the most important appointment in your entire year- you must be there on time- or ruin your year.
You look down and see your car on empty
there is no time to put gas in your car- you willl miss your flight!
Do you stop and get gas? or run out on the way

Dude, you come up with the most bizarre analogies.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So Kolb, Skelton, and Bartel learned absolutely nothing during the 5 weeks of pre season and 17 weeks of the season last year? What do they do in practice all week? Oh yeah I forgot. They go to the Cinema.

Maybe they have the Stewart Bradley learning disorder as they seem to be the only guys unable to pick up the schemes.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Slow news day, unless of course you wanna read another story on how the Pats and Cowboys are favorites for the SB yet again lol

or if Tebow will unseat Sanchez in NY .

 

[Duckjake]

Either that or he is a coach who thinks everything is based off fundamentals and will run future OTA's the exact same way. IMO no matter how good a player is its usually starts with the fundamentals, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is just how he plans on coaching.

But that's not what I get from is quote. To me it says they learned nothing or learned bad habits and have to start all over on everything "each play, each protection, each situation."

Is he saying he's going to have to coach the Arizona out of them? Like Horton said about McFadden. This could very likely be the case especially when you look at the completion % of the CKW QB's: Anderson 51.7% Skelton 52.6% Hall 50.0% Kolb 57.7% Bartel 52.0%. When you have 5 guys who couldn't complete even 58% of their passes (which would have ranked them 22nd in completion % last year) it doesn't shed a good light on the coaching.

If he had said something to the effect that the OTA's give them the opportunity to work on fundamentals which are the cornerstone of success for even the most veteran players it would be different. But he's saying they have to start from scratch with everything.

 

[TRW]

Pathetic really. This coaching regime has shown to be most inept at evaluating QB talent and "coaching them up". Coach Whisenhunt has assembled and gone after the most bizarre group of QBs I have ever seen. Suickage on an epic scale!

Nothing from last season gives me much hope that either guy is a top notch (or even middle of the pack) QB. Kolb was horrible on his best day and Skelton was helter skelton most of the time. You can't teach instinct and Kolb has displayed none and Skelton, while displaying a bit more pocket savy is just too scatter armed to give much confidence that he can do the job.

Bartel? He shouldn't even be on an NFL roster.

I'm hoping for 7-9 this season but it could be ugly. Whichever guy "wins" the job scares me.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Pathetic really. This coaching regime has shown to be most inept at evaluating QB talent and "coaching them up". Coach Whisenhunt has assembled and gone after the most bizarre group of QBs I have ever seen. Suickage on an epic scale!

Nothing from last season gives me much hope that either guy is a top notch (or even middle of the pack) QB. Kolb was horrible on his best day and Skelton was helter skelton most of the time. You can't teach instinct and Kolb has displayed none and Skelton, while displaying a bit more pocket savy is just too scatter armed to give much confidence that he can do the job.

Bartel? He shouldn't even be on an NFL roster.

I'm hoping for 7-9 this season but it could be ugly. Whichever guy "wins" the job scares me.

Most negative post ive seen.

Why would you "hope" for a 7-9 season? They went 8-8 last year and have only improved the roster since. Also, tell me how Kolb was "horrible on his best day"? The truth is that both of them have played like starting QBs in spurts and have played like school girls in others. Another year is fair to see which one they are.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Pathetic really. This coaching regime has shown to be most inept at evaluating QB talent and "coaching them up". Coach Whisenhunt has assembled and gone after the most bizarre group of QBs I have ever seen.

I looked at your old school avatar, after reading this statement. Really. You can't come up with a more bizarre group of QBs in Cardinals history. You're not trying very hard.

 

[Duckjake]

I looked at your old school avatar, after reading this statement. Really. You can't come up with a more bizarre group of QBs in Cardinals history. You're not trying very hard.

While that may be true you have to admit that DeWreck Anderson, Too Small Max Hall, That raw Opie kid from Fordham, Richard "the pick" Bartel and Koncussion Kevin Kolb is a rather odd group. Are any of them even remotely alike? Paying Brian St.Pierre a million dollars for one season was definitely bizarre.

Buddy sure had some weird ideas about QBs. Jay Schroeder, Jim McMahon, Dave Krieg, Stoney Case and Mike Buck. While he lets Beuerlein go on to eventually throw for 4,400 yards and 36 TDs in one season for Carolina.

There was also Joe Bugel's boys Tom Tupa, Stan Gelbaugh, Chris Chandler and Craig Kupp in 1991. Craig Kupp?????

 

[kerouac9]

Most negative post ive seen.

Why would you "hope" for a 7-9 season? They went 8-8 last year and have only improved the roster since. Also, tell me how Kolb was "horrible on his best day"? The truth is that both of them have played like starting QBs in spurts and have played like school girls in others. Another year is fair to see which one they are.

They have? They discarded two starting OL and lost their "Defensive MVP". They added a wideout in the first round (who traditionally have a hard time transitioning to the NFL game right away), and then didn't get an ostensible starter at RT until the fourth round (the home of starting offensive linemen, I guess).

We went 8-8 against a soft schedule that featured the team drafting 1st overall in the prior year, and NFC East division no one wanted to win, and the AFC North that looked stronger than they were because they got to play the NFC West and AFC South, the two worst divisions in their respective conferences.

This year, we'll play the AFC East, travelling to the two best teams in that division. We'll also play the NFC North, where the 4th place team in that division embarrassed us before the first quarter was complete. Instead of travelling to visit Minnesota as an at-large team, we go to visit Atlanta.

Last year, we ended up going 4-2 in division. Half our games were won in our division. Do you expect us to improve on that? Are we finally going to beat Seattle at home again? San Francisco? Are you thinking that we beat both Chicago and Detroit at home this year? What do you think our path to 9 or 10 wins actually is?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

They have? They discarded two starting OL and lost their "Defensive MVP". They added a wideout in the first round (who traditionally have a hard time transitioning to the NFL game right away), and then didn't get an ostensible starter at RT until the fourth round (the home of starting offensive linemen, I guess).

We went 8-8 against a soft schedule that featured the team drafting 1st overall in the prior year, and NFC East division no one wanted to win, and the AFC North that looked stronger than they were because they got to play the NFC West and AFC South, the two worst divisions in their respective conferences.

This year, we'll play the AFC East, travelling to the two best teams in that division. We'll also play the NFC North, where the 4th place team in that division embarrassed us before the first quarter was complete. Instead of travelling to visit Minnesota as an at-large team, we go to visit Atlanta.

Last year, we ended up going 4-2 in division. Half our games were won in our division. Do you expect us to improve on that? Are we finally going to beat Seattle at home again? San Francisco? Are you thinking that we beat both Chicago and Detroit at home this year? What do you think our path to 9 or 10 wins actually is?

The loss of the right side was a step towards improvement. Snyder is certainly an improvement at r-guard and should you doubt, review his two games against the Cards last season. We found a starting OLB in the fourth, so there is reason to hope we can do the same at ORT. Adding a big wideout, whether he has gaudy numbers or not in his first year, should improve the passing game.

Marshall was the defensive MVP in that he allowed flexibility in the back end. Horton made this clear. CC was the best player on "D" last season and, arguably, by a large margin. Washington, I would say, was every bit as good as Marshall.

And with a number of new teams making it to the postseason from one year to the next, I wouldn't get too hung up on the so-called "strength of schedule".

The over/under at this point for some observers is 7.5 wins for the Cards, which seems fair. The possibility of less exists, as well as a few more.

 

[kerouac9]

The loss of the right side was a step towards improvement. Snyder is certainly an improvement at r-guard and should you doubt, review his two games against the Cards last season. We found a starting OLB in the fourth, so there is reason to hope we can do the same at ORT. Adding a big wideout, whether he has gaudy numbers or not in his first year, should improve the passing game.

Marshall was the defensive MVP in that he allowed flexibility in the back end. Horton made this clear. CC was the best player on "D" last season and, arguably, by a large margin. Washington, I would say, was every bit as good as Marshall.

And with a number of new teams making it to the postseason from one year to the next, I wouldn't get too hung up on the so-called "strength of schedule".

The over/under at this point for some observers is 7.5 wins for the Cards, which seems fair. The possibility of less exists, as well as a few more.

There's a lot of suppositions here. Maybe you believe what the coaches are selling--that the same guys who picked Brandon Keith, Rex Hadnot, and Daryn Colledge are as certain about Adam Snyder, but THIS TIME THEY'RE TOTALLY RIGHT.

Considering that our offensive line hasn't played a down together, and it's universally acknowledged that the most important aspect of OL play is continuity, there's little to suggest that the OL isn't going to take a step back in 2012.

The last paragraph of your post has so little meaning that it barely needs to exist.

 

[Phrazbit]

The over/under at this point for some observers is 7.5 wins for the Cards, which seems fair. The possibility of less exists, as well as a few more.

I was just looking at those odds yesterday. They're going to start moving south soon. Last I saw the under was at -140.

 

[Duckjake]

I was just looking at those odds yesterday. They're going to start moving south soon. Last I saw the under was at -140.

No worries. I'm sending LVG $100 to bet on the under for me. Automatic the Cards go over.

 

[Phrazbit]

No worries. I'm sending LVG $100 to bet on the under for me. Automatic the Cards go over.

Hold off then big cat. The next adjustment you'll probably be able to get something like +160 on the over.

 

[Duckjake]

Hold off then big cat. The next adjustment you'll probably be able to get something like +160 on the over.

Doesn't matter. All I have to do is bet, no matter the odds, and the opposite will happen. Never fails. Worked like a charm in 2009. 3 team parlay with Green Bay in game 3. Of course my teams won games 1 and 2 and the Cards won game 3. Cost me some jack but Dansby running into the end zone with the game winner was worth every penny.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

There's a lot of suppositions here. Maybe you believe what the coaches are selling--that the same guys who picked Brandon Keith, Rex Hadnot, and Daryn Colledge are as certain about Adam Snyder, but THIS TIME THEY'RE TOTALLY RIGHT.

Considering that our offensive line hasn't played a down together, and it's universally acknowledged that the most important aspect of OL play is continuity, there's little to suggest that the OL isn't going to take a step back in 2012.

The last paragraph of your post has so little meaning that it barely needs to exist.

A response that borders on the comical from the "guru" of suppositions and cut and paste opinions from his favourite site.