Kevin McHale conjecture on Nash

[AzStevenCal]

We still have the best mascot in the game...

I agree, but I'm not sure that Oliver Miller would.

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

I mentioned this on another thread but McHale, Webber and what's his face also started a chant on air...."Free Nash Now"....they mentioned T-Shirts and stuff.

OUCH!!!!!

 

[WuRaider]

+1

+100

How many more losses until all the Amare haters come out and apologize for not supporting our home grown superstar?

 

[devilalum]

I mentioned this on another thread but McHale, Webber and what's his face also started a chant on air...."Free Nash Now"....they mentioned T-Shirts and stuff.

OUCH!!!!!

That doesn't even make sense?
Doesn't Nash have to want to leave first?

 

[Gaddabout]

I hope you're wrong. In part, I believe you ARE wrong. I don't think Nash is going to continue to sell tickets, if he even still is. I just don't see how an aged point guard leading a really bad team is such a draw. Whether he's traded or not, I think paid attendance numbers will decline rapidly this season.

Nash has been on an obvious decline for 13 months now. He's still capable of putting up good numbers but watching the games, he just doesn't control the offense the way he used to. He has flashes of his old self but the passes are less accurate and less crisp and his shot is less consistent. He's a smart guy, I have to think he'll wake up and realize he's a spot player now and doesn't belong on a team that needs him every moment of every game.

This is the perspective of multiple people who cover the team. They've heard from management, players and agents. Unless someone is stupid -- someone mentioned Harden and picks, that's insanity, but it would make the Suns listen -- absolutely nothing is going to happen. The Suns aren't shopping and Nash is like Grant -- he's not wanting to chase a trophy as a backup on some contender. Both parties are relatively content to play out the rest of contract.

 

[devilalum]

Everybody talks about trading for picks, what's the point of this?

Any pick the Suns got in a trade would be a low pick and the Suns have done nothing but fire blanks in the bottom of the draft for about 10 years. Maybe they wouldn't sell Rondo for cash if they were rebuilding but I have no faith in the front office.

 

[Hoop Head]

At least if the Suns got picks even late round picks that would more than just another loss in the standings.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

- Oklahoma City: Westbrook could move over to the 2 and their backcourt would be unstoppable. A package around bringing Harden back to AZ and draft picks?

Here. Sarvs won't trade Nash for anything other than another "face of the franchise" and Harden is just that. There'd probably be a third team involved ending up with Nash since OKC likes Westy at point and the offense running through Durant (as well they should).

Here...

PHX sends:
Nash
G. Hill

NYK sends:
Gallinari
Eddy Curry

OKC sends:
Harden
Maynor

PHX receives:
Harden
Maynor
Curry

NYK receive:
Nash
G. Hill

OKC receive:
Gallinari

 

[AzStevenCal]

This is the perspective of multiple people who cover the team. They've heard from management, players and agents. Unless someone is stupid -- someone mentioned Harden and picks, that's insanity, but it would make the Suns listen -- absolutely nothing is going to happen. The Suns aren't shopping and Nash is like Grant -- he's not wanting to chase a trophy as a backup on some contender. Both parties are relatively content to play out the rest of contract.

It was this aspect of your post that I was inclined to agree with. I don't want it to be that way but I'm afraid it is. I don't, however, believe that Nash will continue to put seats in the arena for much longer. Fans had too high of expectations and that's a surefire recipe for disaster when a team plays this poorly. This board may not be a mirror image of fans in general but it's representative enough to show that morale is bottoming out. Unfortunately, I'm not sure the team has bottomed out yet.

Steve

 

[HooverDam]

^I like that deal for the Suns and Knicks, Im not entirely sure it makes sense for OKC though. Gallinari is a really nice piece, but they have both Durant and Jeff Green who are SFs already, though one is usually playing out of his 'natural' position.

The Thunder have needed some interior size for a while, I wonder if you'd have to do something like send RoLo their way. Perhaps the Suns could add Lopez and Warrick in the deal (to OKC) and get Jeff Green back. That clears up OKCs SF abundance and gives them a Center who can either replace Kristic or back him up (they're pretty equal). Additionally they get a traditional PF in Warrick off the bench, which would allow them to play Gallinari at the 3 more.

OKC depth chart:
C Kristic/Lopez
PF Gallinari/Warrick/Ibaka
SF Durant/Gallinari
SG Sefolosha/Cook
PG Westbrook/Ivey/Peterson

That leaves them a bit thin at guard w/ out Harden, but I bet Gallo could play the 2 at times if there's a less athletic SG on the other team whos primarily a spot up shooter.

New Suns (just showing the players who'd like be here next year)

C Gortat
PF Frye
SF Green/Dudley/Childress
SG Harden/Pietrus
PG Dragic/Maynor

Though Id like the Suns to move Childress if at all possible as well and clearly they'd need to draft for front court help.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Or we could become a facilitator for the Melo trade such as this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

We'd have to take back a pick or two to get fair value, but the Nets conceivably become a contender while maintaining good depth and the trade becomes less convoluted than the one with DET and DEN still gets Favors and cap relief and Billups gets to stay in DEN to retire and the Suns get a bit younger while maintaining their flexibility and picking up draft picks.

Alternatively, send Hill to NJ with Nash in something like this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Nothing really changes except that the Nets get even better and deeper thus increasing the considerations the Suns could take back - an additional pick?

All I care about nowadays for the Suns is that they get picks and future flexibility. It is WELL PAST time to blow this team up. These do just that....

your links show nothing.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

That doesn't even make sense?
Doesn't Nash have to want to leave first?

stockholm syndrome.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

^I like that deal for the Suns and Knicks, Im not entirely sure it makes sense for OKC though. Gallinari is a really nice piece, but they have both Durant and Jeff Green who are SFs already, though one is usually playing out of his 'natural' position.

The Thunder have needed some interior size for a while, I wonder if you'd have to do something like send RoLo their way. Perhaps the Suns could add Lopez and Warrick in the deal (to OKC) and get Jeff Green back. That clears up OKCs SF abundance and gives them a Center who can either replace Kristic or back him up (they're pretty equal). Additionally they get a traditional PF in Warrick off the bench, which would allow them to play Gallinari at the 3 more.

OKC depth chart:
C Kristic/Lopez
PF Gallinari/Warrick/Ibaka
SF Durant/Gallinari
SG Sefolosha/Cook
PG Westbrook/Ivey/Peterson

That leaves them a bit thin at guard w/ out Harden, but I bet Gallo could play the 2 at times if there's a less athletic SG on the other team whos primarily a spot up shooter.

New Suns (just showing the players who'd like be here next year)

C Gortat
PF Frye
SF Green/Dudley/Childress
SG Harden/Pietrus
PG Dragic/Maynor

Though Id like the Suns to move Childress if at all possible as well and clearly they'd need to draft for front court help.

somehow we turn nash/lopez/warrick into harden/green/maynor?

okay, everyone back away from the water pipe . . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

we might be able to get something for a package of carter, nash, gortat to a mid-level team needing to make a push. they get two vets, one of which can still lead a team. and they get a player whose reputation is still as a defensive big (i read stiff all over him). what we can get for that? i have no friggin' clue.

keep dudley. trade everyone else.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

We will only trade Nash to a contender that he's fine playing for. Rule out any mid-level teams. The Knicks would be probably the worst team he'd be willing to play for.

OKC needs a Gallinari-type player. They don't have any shooters outside of Durant. Gallinari would basically take Harden's 6th man spot and really energize that team with his shooting. We or the Knicks (Knicks likely) would probably have to throw something more their way but that's a good start.

 

[BC867]

During the Nets game, Steve Nash passed the all-time percentage of Mark Price's .904 to become the greatest free throw shooter in NBA history.

'Looks good on his resume.

 

[jibikao]

If the Suns and Nash are serious about parting ways, they should look at Dallas. Yes, Kidd is the incumbent PG, but he's not a scorer, and his shooting has regressed to the atrocious levels that characterized his early career. Play Kidd and Nash together and it's obviously a major upgrade over Stevenson (although admittedly Stevenson has magically found a golden touch from long range so far this season).

Butler's salary matches almost exactly, so then it's coming up with some filler for Dallas to send the Suns' way. I'm not high on Beaubois, but I guess he'd be the one to ask for. Beaubois and a pick is probably the best the Suns could do.

I don't think Nash wants to go back to Dallas and Mavs fans certainly don't want him back. And let's say Nash is back, who starts? Kidd of Nash? Unless Suns want to **** Nash over by trading him to Mavs just to get rid of him, I think Nash going to Mavs is less than 2%.

 

[mojorizen7]

We will only trade Nash to a contender that he's fine playing for. Rule out any mid-level teams. The Knicks would be probably the worst team he'd be willing to play for.

????
No. Nash is willing to play here. We suck and Nash knows this. He's ok with that. THATS the problem.
This franchise is not only void of basketball people,but they have no balls either.

 

[Chaplin]

????
No. Nash is willing to play here. We suck and Nash knows this. He's ok with that. THATS the problem.
This franchise is not only void of basketball people,but they have no balls either.

I don't know about that. We did trade for Shaq, after all.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

your links show nothing.

WTF? That's weird.

Link 1:

PHX sends:

Nash

NJN sends:

Favors
Harris
Murphy

DEN sends:

Anthony

PHX gets:

Harris

NJN gets:

Nash
Anthony

DEN gets:

Favors
Murphy

Link 2 was something like adding Hill to NJN for Vujacic+, or something like that - I don't remember 100%.

Both trades got a green light from Trade Checker....

 

[mojorizen7]

I don't know about that. We did trade for Shaq, after all.

True. Sarver pulled the trigger there and that did take some balls.
I cant help but wonder where this team would be today if Kerr were still here as GM and calling the shots.
Hard to believe it was only 7 months ago when he bailed.

 

[Chaplin]

True. Sarver pulled the trigger there and that did take some balls.
I cant help but wonder where this team would be today if Kerr were still here as GM and calling the shots.
Hard to believe it was only 7 months ago when he bailed.

That's a good question. I'd guess Amare would still be gone, but the Hedo trade probably would not have happened. I would say also that Childress and maybe Warrick would still have gone through--but I'm assuming there would have been something else done to address the PF position if Kerr were here.

 

[The Commish]

WTF? That's weird.

Link 1:

PHX sends:

Nash

NJN sends:

Favors
Harris
Murphy

DEN sends:

Anthony

PHX gets:

Harris

NJN gets:

Nash
Anthony

DEN gets:

Favors
Murphy

Link 2 was something like adding Hill to NJN for Vujacic+, or something like that - I don't remember 100%.

Both trades got a green light from Trade Checker....

Ewwwww. Just say no to Devin Harris.

 

[slinslin]

Denver and Phoenix don't get enough in that trade.

Devin Harris ehhh no thanks I'd rather have a #15-20 first round pick.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

It's not about Devin Harris, it's all about the rebuild....