Kings at Suns 2-13-2011

[desertdawg]

We really suck tonight.

 

[Ronin]

almost

 

[Proteus]

From the 3:48 minute mark...the Kings didn't miss a shot.

So much for the improved defense.

 

[Proteus]

So disgusting. Suns lose 113-108.

Congrats Suns on losing to the 2nd worst team in the Nba twice and this time on a back to back.

Every time I think the team has turned a corner they go out and lay a massive egg like this.

 

[Chaplin]

2 main reasons we lost this game:

1) Channing Frye in the 2nd half
2) Grant Hill in the WHOLE GAME -- probably the worst game he's had in a couple months.

 

[Ronin]

So much for the improved defense.

I wouldn't be too hard on them.......

 

[Proteus]

Suns shot 42% in the 4th quarter, Kings 63%.

 

[sunsfan88]

The Suns need to stop teasing and just rebuild!!! Fans need to start cheering "Sarver sucks" at every game until he blows the team up.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Two steps forward, one and a half steps back. Still, I like this team a lot more than the team that started the season. I see a lot of battered bodies at the base of the cliff, I think I'll wait a while before I jump off.

Steve

 

[devilalum]

Is Carter trying to get released?

 

[Evil Ash]

The Suns simply overlooked the Kings. The effort was half-hearted at best and it looked like the team was going through the motions after an emotional win against the Jazz.

Please, please get rid of half man, half retired soon. He should not be on the Suns roster after the deadline

 

[Chaplin]

The Suns need to stop teasing and just rebuild!!! Fans need to start cheering "Sarver sucks" at every game until he blows the team up.

LOL, like that's going to do anything.

 

[sunsfan88]

LOL, like that's going to do anything.

You never know. It'd be like a threat saying fans wont go to anymore games unless he rebuilds. Sarver wants to keep the fans happy cause or else he loses $$$. To keep the fans happy, the idiot should rebuild!

How about your boy Channing Frye tonight? I aint gonna lie, his last few games performances, even when shot piss poor he played good defense and boxed out well. I thought the "girl" that was in him was finally gone.

But what do you know....SHE'S BACK!!!! He played today just like did earlier in the season. All-Star, MVP oh wait nvm SCRUB Carl Landry was whoppin his a** and made Frye his b***h.

 

[mjb21aztd]

man come on suns we had the lead in the 3rd qtr, than our 4th qtr shooting gets the best of us. This was a real bad loss but hopefully the suns learn from it just real bad to lose to the kings at home ugh. Lets get the next one suns!!!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Is Carter trying to get released?

He needs to be encased in glass with a sign that says "for emergency use only, in case of high profile game".

Steve

 

[Covert Rain]

2 main reasons we lost this game:

1) Channing Frye in the 2nd half
2) Grant Hill in the WHOLE GAME -- probably the worst game he's had in a couple months.

We also came out at the start of the 1st half and the 2nd half and let the Kings go on a run. The defense was horrid then and we couldn't get any stops down the stretch.

AGAIN, Lopez should not be starting and neither should Vince Carter. Not only is Vince not scoring but his defense has fallen off the map. Dude simply can not run anymore.

 

[Mainstreet]

It looks like the Suns reached the top of their mountain and are now heading down the other side with Utah and the Mavericks coming up. The Suns look to be at best somewhere around a .500 team. The Kings was the Suns best opportunity to keep moving forward in a positive direction. Now I think the Suns need to look forward to the long time future if there are any moves to be made before the trading deadline.

 

[Chaplin]

It looks like the Suns reached the top of their mountain and are now heading down the other side with Utah and the Mavericks coming up. The Suns look to be at best somewhere around a .500 team. The Kings was the Suns best opportunity to keep moving forward in a positive direction. Now I think the Suns need to look forward to the long time future if there are any moves to be made before the trading deadline.

LOL seriously? After a single loss?

Look, the loss was bad, no argument there, but the sky is hardly falling yet. And no matter how many times you and others repeat it, WE WILL NOT DO A COMPLETE REBUILD. That's just a simple fact that nobody seems to be accepting, no matter how bad it is.

 

[slinslin]

Please lets just tank, hovering around .500 just to eventually miss the playoffs anyway or for a best case quick first round exit doesn't help us anything, neither this season, nor next season or any other future seasons.

 

[Mainstreet]

LOL seriously? After a single loss?

Look, the loss was bad, no argument there, but the sky is hardly falling yet. And no matter how many times you and others repeat it, WE WILL NOT DO A COMPLETE REBUILD. That's just a simple fact that nobody seems to be accepting, no matter how bad it is.

No, this is based upon watching the Suns all season. Even if the Suns reach the 8th playoff spot (unlikely) they are not going anywhere. The Suns are dog paddling to stay afloat. I've never been for trading for the sake of trading (let alone a complete rebuild) but if there are any moves that can improve the team for the future then it should be done. The Suns are a one star team (Nash) and he will likely be gone this summer. Why fight reality?

 

[Chaplin]

No, this is based upon watching the Suns all season. Even if the Suns reach the 8th playoff spot (unlikely) they are not going anywhere. The Suns are dog paddling to stay afloat. I've never been for trading for the sake of trading (let alone a complete rebuild) but if there are any moves that can improve the team for the future then it should be done. The Suns are a one star team (Nash) and he will likely be gone this summer. Why fight reality?

You can't judge a team that made a major trade mid-season on an entire season. You just can't. There is no reason to do so. We are 11-5 in the last 16 games. You can bet all the money in the world that the front office will not even consider tanking or rebuilding. Why you would think they could is mind-boggling.

And now you're speculating that Nash will be gone this summer. Uh huh. His expiring contract will be just as valuable to us as it is to some other team if there is no lockout. If there is a lockout, nobody is going to trade for him anyway.

I know slinslin and sunsfan88 would love for the Suns to get rid of everybody and get nothing back but draft picks, but talk about living in a fantasy world--that's even more unlikely than winning the championship! I'm sure we're looking to trade Carter, but if nobody wants him, even with the buyout, then we're not going to trade him. Even for a late 1st rounder, as slinslin apparently thinks all our players are worth.

 

[Covert Rain]

No, this is based upon watching the Suns all season. Even if the Suns reach the 8th playoff spot (unlikely) they are not going anywhere. The Suns are dog paddling to stay afloat. I've never been for trading for the sake of trading (let alone a complete rebuild) but if there are any moves that can improve the team for the future then it should be done. The Suns are a one star team (Nash) and he will likely be gone this summer. Why fight reality?

The Suns look better. I think with Gortat coming into his own and the team being a little more coheasive they look better. No doubt.

The problem is that "bettter" doesn't equal going anywhere. This team still has some glaring holes to fill. We still need a more consitant PF and "rent a Carter" is not working. Meaning that after this season we now have to fill both the PF and SG spots. Not to mention if we keep Nash he will be that much closer to the brick wall.

The reality is that this team as built has no shot at a title. Maybe they can get in on a trade after the offseason to bring in a piece. However, short of getting a star at the PF spot or SG spot this team doesn't even have a shot then.

My guess is this team is blown apart in the offseason.

Keep Gortat, Dudley, Pietrus and maybe Grant for some veteran leadership. Dowdell has even shown some positives and could be a good bench player. Everybody else is fair game for trade bait as far as I am concerned. You can't just build through the draft. To rebuild this team your going to have to trade. Either that or become the next Clippers.

 

[Mainstreet]

You can't judge a team that made a major trade mid-season on an entire season. You just can't. There is no reason to do so. We are 11-5 in the last 16 games. You can bet all the money in the world that the front office will not even consider tanking or rebuilding. Why you would think they could is mind-boggling.

And now you're speculating that Nash will be gone this summer. Uh huh. His expiring contract will be just as valuable to us as it is to some other team if there is no lockout. If there is a lockout, nobody is going to trade for him anyway.

I know slinslin and sunsfan88 would love for the Suns to get rid of everybody and get nothing back but draft picks, but talk about living in a fantasy world--that's even more unlikely than winning the championship! I'm sure we're looking to trade Carter, but if nobody wants him, even with the buyout, then we're not going to trade him. Even for a late 1st rounder, as slinslin apparently thinks all our players are worth.

Where did I say tanking or rebuilding in the sense... gut the team? I just believe if the Suns can make a move to improve the future, they should do it. This can be a small thing, like acquiring a first round draft pick or a larger thing if the value is there. I do think Nash will be gone this this summer after hearing it as a possibility from Duffy. I think you see everything in terms black or white instead of shades of gray.

 

[Chaplin]

The Suns look better. I think with Gortat coming into his own and the team being a little more coheasive they look better. No doubt.

The problem is that "bettter" doesn't equal going anywhere. This team still has some glaring holes to fill. We still need a more consitant PF and "rent a Carter" is not working. Meaning that after this season we now have to fill both the PF and SG spots. Not to mention if we keep Nash he will be that much closer to the brick wall.

The reality is that this team as built has no shot at a title. Maybe they can get in on a trade after the offseason to bring in a piece. However, short of getting a star at the PF spot or SG spot this team doesn't even have a shot then.

My guess is this team is blown apart in the offseason.

Keep Gortat, Dudley, Pietrus and maybe Grant for some veteran leadership. Everybody else is fair game for trade bait as far as I am concerned. You can't just build throught the draft. To rebuild this team your going to have to trade. Either that or become the next Clippers.

What trade value do you see the other guys as having? Assuming there isn't a lockout, who wants to pay Frye and/or Warrick what we're paying them?

We're so good at saying "trade everybody!" but most of the time people don't understand that it takes two to tango. Right now, I'll be happy if only Carter is moved, he's dead weight right now. But he's also an expiring. An expiring benefits us just as much as it does another team, which is why the front office won't be too sad if they aren't able to trade him. Who even knows how much effort they are putting in to actually trade him anyway?

Childress would be a good trade asset, but since he gets no time, we're stuck with him. He even makes too much money to use as a throw-in.

 

[Chaplin]

Where did I say tanking or rebuilding in the sense... gut the team? I just believe if the Suns can make a move to improve the future, they should do it. This can be a small thing, like acquiring a first round draft pick or a larger thing if the value is there. I do think Nash will be gone this this summer after hearing it is a possibility from Duffy. I think you see everything as white or black instead of shades of gray.

Oh I see, you too fell for the empty rhetoric of Bill Duffy. He didn't say anything about a trade request--nothing he said even resembled it. He said the Suns would be smart to consider trading their best asset during the summer if the opportunity arises, and if that happens, they'll be ready to talk about it. He didn't say Nash wants to go and he didn't say Nash wants to stay. In fact, he only said that he thought the organization should explore it--not that he and/or Nash were.