Kiper's Big Board

[john h]

Here is the latest Kiper big board. We will not be in a position to get Luck but will likely be in a position to take Mallet who Kiper now has 8th overall and second best QB behind Luck who he has at #1:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=5788207&ex_cid=2010_ins_news_nov_eml

 

[juza76]

Here is the latest Kiper big board. We will not be in a position to get Luck but will likely be in a position to take Mallet who Kiper now has 8th overall and second best QB behind Luck who he has at #1:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=5788207&ex_cid=2010_ins_news_nov_eml

i can see just the top five..anyway nothing new

 

[Stout]

I would be all for Mallet at #8, if we're picking there and he's available. He only left Michigan because he wasn't the running style QB that Rodriguez uses.

 

[john h]

Kipers Top Five By Position

Kipers top five by position:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=5788374

 

[NJCardFan]

But Whiz would take Bowers or Peterson. I don't care if we're #1 he'd screw it up.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Here is the latest Kiper big board. We will not be in a position to get Luck but will likely be in a position to take Mallet who Kiper now has 8th overall and second best QB behind Luck who he has at #1:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=5788207&ex_cid=2010_ins_news_nov_eml

Your saying you dont think we will have a top 8 pick? Are you kidding me? We have top 5 easy. Perhaps top 3.

Much easier to see the cards not win another game than it is to imagine winning 3 more.

 

[CaptTurbo]

no way am I ever spending a dime on espn insider.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Your saying you dont think we will have a top 8 pick? Are you kidding me? We have top 5 easy. Perhaps top 3.

Much easier to see the cards not win another game than it is to imagine winning 3 more.

You know that fate will prevent us from having a high enough draft pick to select the player we need.

The one year we did (2003...when we should have drafted Terrell Suggs, Marcus Trufant, or Kevin Williams) we traded down.

 

[AzCardzFan]

We should be anywhere from 3rd-8th, we should really take a look at Peterson from LSU if he is there. He is a big corner and the closest player to a sure thing in this draft other than Luck. Having Peterson, Cromartie and Toler as our top 3 corners would be a great foundation for the future of this D.

 

[kerouac9]

Your saying you dont think we will have a top 8 pick? Are you kidding me? We have top 5 easy. Perhaps top 3.

Much easier to see the cards not win another game than it is to imagine winning 3 more.

Carolina's bad. Buffalo is bad. But Detroit and Cincy are both two-win teams right now. Denver and San Francisco can both end up drafting ahead of us.

I can realistically see us winning at least one more game. We still play Carolina as well as San Francisco and St. Louis at home. We'll almost certainly win two of those three games.

 

[az jam]

Carolina's bad. Buffalo is bad. But Detroit and Cincy are both two-win teams right now. Denver and San Francisco can both end up drafting ahead of us.

I can realistically see us winning at least one more game. We still play Carolina as well as San Francisco and St. Louis at home. We'll almost certainly win two of those three games.

I think we will end 5 - 11 or even 6 -10. We will probably get a pick from 8 to 14. I think both Mallet and Locker would be there as both have lots of issues. I'm not sure if the Cards would go for either of them. Luck will be gone before the Cards pick.

 

[kerouac9]

I think we will end 5 - 11 or even 6 -10. We will probably get a pick from 8 to 14. I think both Mallet and Locker would be there as both have lots of issues. I'm not sure if the Cards would go for either of them. Luck will be gone before the Cards pick.

I honestly am more interested in targeting a pass rusher to help the defense (which I think is further along) than in forcing a franchise QB prospect who isn't there. That's how you end up with Patrick Ramsey or Kyle Boller.

Get a guy in the second round whom you can groom behind the 2011 equivalent of Shaun Hill.

 

[BigRedMO]

Trade up if neccessary.

 

[187]

We should be anywhere from 3rd-8th, we should really take a look at Peterson from LSU if he is there. He is a big corner and the closest player to a sure thing in this draft other than Luck. Having Peterson, Cromartie and Toler as our top 3 corners would be a great foundation for the future of this D.

A trend in the past few years is that outside of Joe Haden, a CB hasn't gone top 10 since 2006. The position, imo, is too risky to take with a top ten pick. The top 5 is dominated by QB/OT/DT, so I would much rather either A) trade down or B) wait until the 2nd round if we want a CB. Just some draft history on CB's taken in the top 10 recently:

2003 - Terrence Newman #5 overall, solid CB that's been to the PB
2004 - DeAngelo Hall #8 overall - his play is all over the place from year to year, never know what you will get
2004 - Dunta Robinson #10, only thing noteworthy he has done is lighting up Desean Jackson
2005 - Adam Jones #6, do I even need to go there?
2005 - Antrel Rolle #8.....definitely don't need to elaborate here
2006 - Carlos Rogers #9, has never posted more than 2 INT's a year. Solid player, but has not lived up to top 10 status imo
2010 - Joe Haden, too soon to tell

On that list, Terrence Newman (when he was younger) and DeAngelo Hall (at times) are the only guys that have lived up to top 10 expectations. I think Peterson looks like a good player, but I do not want to spend a prime pick on a position that has an incredibly high bust rate in the top 10.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

But Whiz would take Bowers or Peterson. I don't care if we're #1 he'd screw it up.

Taking Petrson would not be screwing anything up. I think he's the best player in the draft.

 

[az jam]

I honestly am more interested in targeting a pass rusher to help the defense (which I think is further along) than in forcing a franchise QB prospect who isn't there. That's how you end up with Patrick Ramsey or Kyle Boller.

Get a guy in the second round whom you can groom behind the 2011 equivalent of Shaun Hill.

Can't argue with you on this as IMO the only real franchise qb appears to be Luck. Its also possible that Mallet and Locker could be there in round 2. Locker has had a horrible senior season and Mallet has many doubters on his skills.

 

[Stout]

I honestly am more interested in targeting a pass rusher to help the defense (which I think is further along) than in forcing a franchise QB prospect who isn't there. That's how you end up with Patrick Ramsey or Kyle Boller.

Get a guy in the second round whom you can groom behind the 2011 equivalent of Shaun Hill.

And who would that be, on both counts? We've neglected the position for too long (and apparently screwed it up drafting Leinart...don't get me started!).

If Mallet is there, at this point, I'd say run to the podium. Unless something comes out between now and then to lower his value, I think the kid will be a day-one starter. I don't want Locker in any round.

Now, if you disagree with Mallet as a prospect, that's fine. In that case, sell the draft out to get Luck. If he's that good, he's just what we need. I cannot emphasize how pointless anything and everything else is if we don't fix the QB position.

 

[Chopper0080]

And who would that be, on both counts? We've neglected the position for too long (and apparently screwed it up drafting Leinart...don't get me started!).

If Mallet is there, at this point, I'd say run to the podium. Unless something comes out between now and then to lower his value, I think the kid will be a day-one starter. I don't want Locker in any round.

Now, if you disagree with Mallet as a prospect, that's fine. In that case, sell the draft out to get Luck. If he's that good, he's just what we need. I cannot emphasize how pointless anything and everything else is if we don't fix the QB position.

This is pretty accurate. The one position that you just can't afford to skimp on is QB. If Luck is there and we are close (in the top 10), you almost have to offer the picks that it will take to get him if you are serious about a quick turn around. It may be hard to stomach at the time, but it would be worth it in the long run.

 

[SECTION 11]

Just like old times. I say Darren Sproles.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Can't argue with you on this as IMO the only real franchise qb appears to be Luck. Its also possible that Mallet and Locker could be there in round 2. Locker has had a horrible senior season and Mallet has many doubters on his skills.

Nobody is doubting Mallet's skill. It's the mental makeup that is the major question with him. From what I've read, Whiz would have him a blithering mess within a year because of how hard he is on QB's.

 

[kerouac9]

And who would that be, on both counts? We've neglected the position for too long (and apparently screwed it up drafting Leinart...don't get me started!).

If Mallet is there, at this point, I'd say run to the podium. Unless something comes out between now and then to lower his value, I think the kid will be a day-one starter. I don't want Locker in any round.

Now, if you disagree with Mallet as a prospect, that's fine. In that case, sell the draft out to get Luck. If he's that good, he's just what we need. I cannot emphasize how pointless anything and everything else is if we don't fix the QB position.

For the veteran, you could take Alex Smith, Troy Smith, Trent Edwards, Tyler Thigpen, Tavaris Jackson, Kellen Clemens, or Kerry Collins and be better off than we are now. Kerry Collins is like the good version of Derek Anderson.

I don't like Ryan Mallet as a prospect, but I don't like the idea of selling out to get the #1 overall pick, either. This year's #1, next year's #1, this year's #2, and probably next year's #3 and maybe O'Brien Schofield (if the Bills have the #1 overall)? Is that the deal you want to make and then shell out $55 million guaranteed for Luck?

I'd sign Tyler Thigpen and draft Pat Devlin in the 2nd. I know that people don't think that Devlin's ready to play, but he played in Div I and then transerred down like Joe Flacco. There's a world of difference between playing at Delaware and playing in the PATRIOT league like Skelton did (after no one wanting him in FBS or FCS).

But I don't want to throw the ball 35 times a game anymore, either. There's zero chance for success continuing on with our current offensive system. I don't believe that Whis understands that he wasn't the reason that the offense was good when Warner was here. Unless Whis can show that he can get back to his Pittsburgh roots and understand how you protect a bad/inexperienced quarterback, it's folly to invest in a prospective franchise quarterback--especially when we cannot protect him.

 

[joeshmo]

And who would that be, on both counts? We've neglected the position for too long (and apparently screwed it up drafting Leinart...don't get me started!).

If Mallet is there, at this point, I'd say run to the podium. Unless something comes out between now and then to lower his value, I think the kid will be a day-one starter. I don't want Locker in any round.

Now, if you disagree with Mallet as a prospect, that's fine. In that case, sell the draft out to get Luck. If he's that good, he's just what we need. I cannot emphasize how pointless anything and everything else is if we don't fix the QB position.

Mallet is going to have to prove to me to be stronger not just physically but mostly mentally. Dude is SOFT in both area's IMO.

This is all assuming Mallet and/or Luck even come out early.

 

[john h]

I would be all for Mallet at #8, if we're picking there and he's available. He only left Michigan because he wasn't the running style QB that Rodriguez uses.

You will get a good chance to see Mallet on TV. The next two games he plays in are against a tough Mississippi State and ranked LSU who beat Alabama. Both have good pass defenses so he will be tested. Arkansas is averaging something like 34 points a game and also have a NFL type sophomore junior RB who helps Mallet with his passing game. This back averages something like 7-8 yds a carry and is a fast 245 lb beast. I have watched most of Mallets games on TV. All the TV analyst, most of which come out of the NFL, say he can make all the throws the pros look for. There only concern is he may be to tall at 6'7". Only a few QBs that tall have made it in the NFL. He does have a quick over the top release and can see the field. He remains the number 2 QB behind Luck and should go in the top 10. He is second in the nation in his completion rate and leads the nation in TD's and passes completed over 20-25 yards. Last year he threw the ball to hard but this year has learned to finesse the ball to his receivers. I have never seen Luck but assume he must be very good. I wonder how many of the teams in the first round need a QB and are in the top ten draft spots? I think some of them will have taken a QB in the last two drafts.

How about Colt McCoy coming out of the woodwork to show he can be a starter in the NFL. You never know when lightning will strike.

 

[splitsecond]

we do not want mallet. he is a slightly more accurate version of DA

 

[john h]

Can't argue with you on this as IMO the only real franchise qb appears to be Luck. Its also possible that Mallet and Locker could be there in round 2. Locker has had a horrible senior season and Mallet has many doubters on his skills.

No one can no for sure who will be the franchise QB and who will not. All the experts had Bradford as the best QB and he was selected #1 by St Louis and he has been the starter. It appears he is as advertised and will be the St Louis QB for years to come. The experts now say Mallet is the second best QB and Kiper has him going in the eight slot of round one. To think he will be there in round two is almost next to zero chance. The Cards need a QB worse than any team in the NFL and they IMHO will be fools if they do not take one. There appear to be 3-4 NFL ready QBs. We had better get one while we are likely to be in a position to get one. We cannot continue to live with castoffs from other teams. Every forecast I have seen have the Cards taking a QB. Why not as that is the most important position on any team. Look just where we are now which is the result of having no QB. One never knows what management will do. They may not take a QB and we will sign another Derrick Anderson. We do not even have a QB in waiting.