Kipers latest Big Board

[desertdawg]

Ok, this means we should take Mallet.

You and I both are in a bromance with Luck.

You and I both are terrified of Mallet.

Conclusion...Luck will be a bust and Mallet a stud.

It's pretty simple, really.

Now this scares me, if Luck/Newton are gone and we go linebacker or pass rush in the draft, Seattle and SF will be right behind us. I could see Mallet turning into "the man" on one of those two teams, just because it would ruin my world.

 

[Buckybird]

My favorite sleeper QB in this draft is Kellen Moore of Boise State.

He will be that mid round QB that has a lot of success. His QB rating for the season is 185. 33 TDs to 5 ints. 70% completion percentage.

Best QB rating in college football in the 4th quarter.

Luv Moore, but he is small. Probably the smartest QB coming out & his armstrength is better than people think.

 

[Buckybird]

what kind of size does Clemens have? I love his game in college and dude seems pretty unflappable. That 65 yard strike he threw on a rope with 9 seconds left against Nevada with a decent rush in his face was one of the greatest plays i've ever seen.

Mallet seems like just the QB this team would take who'd be a complete bust. he scares me.

you mean Kellen Moore?

 

[binkar]

Kellen Moore would be a waste of draft pick. The guy is a good college QB against the weak talent in the WAC but he won't survive 5 seconds in training camp with his lack of size and arm. The guy needed a running start and had to use his entire body to throw it 50 yards

If Max Hall can last 5 seconds, anyone can...

 

[DoTheDew]

Are we sure about that? I was trying to work this out with my dad last night.

Carolina and Cincy have 2 wins or less; we're not going to get in front of them. Denver, Detroit, and Buffalo all have 3 wins; can any of them win 2 more games?

DET: @TB, @MIA, v. MIN
DEN: @OAK, v. HOU, v. SD
BUF: @MIA, v. NE, @NYJ

I think Detroit could co 2-1 there; Denver might lose out, and I think Buffalo could win at least one of those.

I guess the Cards could get to six wins, but they'd have the highest pick among the six-win teams. To get to 14, the Cards would have to win two more games, and SF, WAS, TEN, HOU, MIN, and CLE have to lose out. I don't think that's a mathmatical possibility, because DEN plays both OAK and HOU.

I wish there were a draft order scenario machine where I could get the possibilities, but I think it's unlikely that we're picking below 10, and unlikely we're picking above 7.

I hadn't looked at who played who. Still if we go 2-1, there's a lot of teams we could fall behind and two more could still take us out of these guys (Newton, Mallet), especially if some underclassmen don't declare.

 

[Garthshort]

Kiper is such a phoney. It looks like he was dead wrong about Newton. So he then sees so many other experts on the Cam Newton bandwagon and moves him to mid-first, and then keeps moving him up, a few spots with every revision of his Big Board. What's next, he's #2 to Andrew Luck's #1?

 

[Vermont Maverick]

What do you think Luck would be worth in our position of perhaps #5 or #6? Perhaps our #1 and #2?

Luck is a Franchise QB that some are saying is the best prospect since Manning. Our #1 and #2? Yes, we could start with our #1 and #2. Our 2011 #1 AND #2, and our 2012 #1 and #2.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Kiper is such a phoney. It looks like he was dead wrong about Newton. So he then sees so many other experts on the Cam Newton bandwagon and moves him to mid-first, and then keeps moving him up, a few spots with every revision of his Big Board. What's next, he's #2 to Andrew Luck's #1?

You got it. It's all about marketing. He can't keep his board the same every week, that wouldn't sell. He's just using Newton because he is a name. Most people don't even know one name outside of the QBs.

 

[Southpaw]

My favorite sleeper QB in this draft is Kellen Moore of Boise State.

He will be that mid round QB that has a lot of success. His QB rating for the season is 185. 33 TDs to 5 ints. 70% completion percentage.

Best QB rating in college football in the 4th quarter.

Moore is a junior. Not a lock to come out and there doesn't seem to be a need for 6'0" 185 # QBs in the NFL. He deserved the Heisman.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Moore is a junior. Not a lock to come out and there doesn't seem to be a need for 6'0" 185 # QBs in the NFL. He deserved the Heisman.

Meh on Kellen Moore. He's your typical Max Hall-ish small QB with moxie, who plays in a gimmicky college offense and doesn't consistently face top competition.

I like Luck and Mallet the best. Luck of course is the total package. Mallet is the big pocket passer in the Drew Bledsoe mold. Newton is intriguing; he's got all the tools, has won big against top competition, but hasn't put up huge passing numbers. IMO he's a more talented Vince Young, but I think he's got a better head and is more charismatic.

I see all the posts saying to trade up to get Luck, but this team has so many holes and yet we're still a decently talented team. Fill the holes, bring in a veteran QB, and if one of the top 3 QBs fall to us you take one of them.

We still need a big time pass rusher and left tackle; also if a top ILB is available and grades out as good enough for our 1st rounder I'd think about it too. Washington is a pretty good young player, but we need to pair him with a young stud that can fill gaps but also play well in pursuit.

CB would also be intriguing as well. DRC has really pissed me off, but we don't have many options as far as sending him to the bench. Jefferson or that kid from Nebraska with DRC, Toler, and Money Mike would be a strong CB corps...

 

[Southpaw]

One factor, about Newton, I don't seem to hear, being brought up is his one year career. One year in a gimmick offense that defenses had never seen. Just wondering how far his performance would fall off after SEC defenses saw him again next year? I just don't see an NFL team running his offense and NFL defenses not stopping it. Hasn't taken the NFL defenses to fogure out the Wildcat.

 

[Krangodnzr]

One factor, about Newton, I don't seem to hear, being brought up is his one year career. One year in a gimmick offense that defenses had never seen. Just wondering how far his performance would fall off after SEC defenses saw him again next year? I just don't see an NFL team running his offense and NFL defenses not stopping it. Hasn't taken the NFL defenses to fogure out the Wildcat.

That is a very good point, but Newton has the raw skills to play in most offenses. He may not be effective in a west coast, or other short passing game, but if you put him in an offense featuring lots of boot legs and other plays designed to get him in motion he could be the next Michael Vick.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Kiper is such a phoney. It looks like he was dead wrong about Newton. So he then sees so many other experts on the Cam Newton bandwagon and moves him to mid-first, and then keeps moving him up, a few spots with every revision of his Big Board. What's next, he's #2 to Andrew Luck's #1?

I'm not a huge Kiper fan but there weren't too many people that had Newton rated a first round pick until after the Alabama/SC games.

As for Kellen Moore, we already have Max Hall.They're pretty much the same player.

There aren't any OT's that are top 10 worthy either. The only rush OLB that seems top 10 worthy is Quinn.

Newton and Mallet are both big boom/bust guys. Them, along with any QB, will have to learn how to read complex defenses. Who knows if that will happen.

This would be the year to trade up to get Luck because, other than Quinn, there isn't anyone top 10 worthy at a position of need. Bowers, Fairley, Dareus, Peterson, and Akumura are all good players but not at the Cards greatest needs area.

My hope: Cards trade up and get Luck.
My prediction: they sit where they are and take Quinn and hope Locker falls to them in round 2.

 

[RonF]

I say take the best available player.

 

[Cardiac]

I think if there's a DE/OLB pass rushing demon staring us in the face we almost HAVE to take him. I hate the way this team paints itself into a corner every few years.

Outside of that, I think we need to get better on the OL and realy work on getting better from the inside out. I agree with DDogg--if we can't get Luck (and I might go all ditka on this draft's butt to get him), then we should skip a QB in the first).

JMHO

I'm not sure the O-line is as bad as many think. Fix the QB problem and a lot of ills on both sides of the ball will go away. Absolutely need a pass rusher. I agree we should "go all ditka on this draft's butt".

I see all the posts saying to trade up to get Luck, but this team has so many holes and yet we're still a decently talented team. Fill the holes, bring in a veteran QB, and if one of the top 3 QBs fall to us you take one of them.

As I responded to Pariah this team is truly a QB and pass rusher away from winning the west again.

 

[Duckjake]

I think if there's a DE/OLB pass rushing demon staring us in the face we almost HAVE to take him. I hate the way this team paints itself into a corner every few years.

Outside of that, I think we need to get better on the OL and realy work on getting better from the inside out. I agree with DDogg--if we can't get Luck (and I might go all ditka on this draft's butt to get him), then we should skip a QB in the first).

JMHO

I agree. Think about the difference it might have made in the SB if the Cards had taken Ngata, Greenway or Hali instead of Leinart.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not sure the O-line is as bad as many think. Fix the QB problem and a lot of ills on both sides of the ball will go away. Absolutely need a pass rusher. I agree we should "go all ditka on this draft's butt".



As I responded to Pariah this team is truly a QB and pass rusher away from winning the west again.

I think we're a Defensive Coordinater, a QB (hopefully Skelton is that QB), a pass rusher and an Adrian Wilson replacement away from winning the west again. Unless you're talking about the west that was, we could have won that with just a decent QB and an edge rusher. The Rams are on their way up and the 49er's are a head coach away from being out of our class. The jury is still out on Seattle. I think we have a ways to go just to make up the distance between us, not to mention needing to allow for their improvement also.

Steve

 

[Cardiac]

I think we're a Defensive Coordinater, a QB (hopefully Skelton is that QB), a pass rusher and an Adrian Wilson replacement away from winning the west again. Unless you're talking about the west that was, we could have won that with just a decent QB and an edge rusher. The Rams are on their way up and the 49er's are a head coach away from being out of our class. The jury is still out on Seattle. I think we have a ways to go just to make up the distance between us, not to mention needing to allow for their improvement also.

Steve

I'm not sure the DC is the main problem but won't be heart broken if Davis is replaced. It's a bit easier to develop a game plan if you have an elite pass rusher.

Adub has had a less then stellar year but again I don't think he needs to replaced at this point.

"The west that was", we agree that a pass rusher and QB we win it. The west that will be should be more competitive. The Rams are improving rapidly before our eyes and I agree the 49ers just need some real coaching and a real QB.

If Warner hadn't retired I believe we are already at double digit wins this year. Apparent holes on the roster wouldn't be there with a QB like Warner. Thing is you can say that about a lot of teams with a top notch QB.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not sure the DC is the main problem but won't be heart broken if Davis is replaced. It's a bit easier to develop a game plan if you have an elite pass rusher.

Adub has had a less then stellar year but again I don't think he needs to replaced at this point.

"The west that was", we agree that a pass rusher and QB we win it. The west that will be should be more competitive. The Rams are improving rapidly before our eyes and I agree the 49ers just need some real coaching and a real QB.

If Warner hadn't retired I believe we are already at double digit wins this year. Apparent holes on the roster wouldn't be there with a QB like Warner. Thing is you can say that about a lot of teams with a top notch QB.

Yeah, I think having Warner back again this year probably keeps us at or near the 10 win mark. His quick decision making/throws hid some of our deficiencies and although we still wouldn't be running often, we'd run a lot more than we did this season. But, Adrian is a different story IMO. He's always been a bit of a problem when he's forced into coverage but he's getting worse, quickly, and the rest of the league knows it. I think our days of hiding him are over.

Steve

 

[WildBB]

I see all the posts saying to trade up to get Luck, but this team has so many holes and yet we're still a decently talented team. Fill the holes, bring in a veteran QB, and if one of the top 3 QBs fall to us you take one of them.

We still need a big time pass rusher and left tackle; also if a top ILB is available CB would also be intriguing as well. DRC has really pissed me off, but we don't have many options as far as sending him to the bench. Jefferson or that kid from Nebraska with DRC, Toler, and Money Mike would be a strong CB corps...

How about filling the holes through FA and drafting the best players out there. I'm pretty sure if we somehow landed Luck, we'd be all pretty ecstatic!

That's what we've tried to do over the last couple yrs. They should have more cash to go after some names in FA.

Right now those two CB's are intruiging to me as well. We definately have to improve the pass coverage - NO DOUBT.

And get this: Amukamara is from Glendale!

http://huskersgameday.com/2010/11/02/amukamara-named-thorpe-award-semifinalist/

 

[Seandonic]

Are we sure about that? I was trying to work this out with my dad last night.

Carolina and Cincy have 2 wins or less; we're not going to get in front of them. Denver, Detroit, and Buffalo all have 3 wins; can any of them win 2 more games?

DET: @TB, @MIA, v. MIN
DEN: @OAK, v. HOU, v. SD
BUF: @MIA, v. NE, @NYJ

I think Detroit could co 2-1 there; Denver might lose out, and I think Buffalo could win at least one of those.

I guess the Cards could get to six wins, but they'd have the highest pick among the six-win teams. To get to 14, the Cards would have to win two more games, and SF, WAS, TEN, HOU, MIN, and CLE have to lose out. I don't think that's a mathmatical possibility, because DEN plays both OAK and HOU.

I wish there were a draft order scenario machine where I could get the possibilities, but I think it's unlikely that we're picking below 10, and unlikely we're picking above 7.

You can get a good idea of where the Cardinals will be picking by using this K9: http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine

 

[Sandan]

It sure looks like we will have a shot at Mallet or Newton. Mallet is at Kiper's #7 and Newton is at #8. It is a good bet that the #1 pick will trade down for the best offer. What do you think Luck would be worth in our position of perhaps #5 or #6? Perhaps our #1 and #2? Would our owners even want Luck as he will end up costing a lot of dollars. Our owners did hold back money last year. If Luck is as good as everyone says I would easily give up our #1 and #2 and maybe throw in a third pick. In the NFL will he really be worth that much more money than Mallet or Newton? My guess is our owners will not go the extra steps it takes to get a player like Luck. That is based on many years of history with our owners. Newton has moved up considerably since Kiper's last report. You never know about these QB's once the NFL does there evaluation. Luck may look like the best thing since sliced bread to us but some teams in the NFL may fall in love with Newton or Mallet. One of the top QBs is going to remain in school for his senior year.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=5898862

john is talking about it and posted link to it, he didn't quote Kiper