Kipers Latest Mock

[Reddog]

Here's what Kiper has for us. I like it but might have gone CB but there was a run on them ahead of us and this is what was left; Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson, Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech, Xavien Howard, CB, Baylor. Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama went to Skins at 21. Other guys available at 29 that have been bantered around on the board were Lynch, Spence, DT Jarran Reed,S Karl Joseph.

Arizona Cardinals

Round 1 (29): Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia

Round 3 (92): Graham Glasgow, C, Michigan

Analysis: This draft is off to a good start already thanks to the addition of Chandler Jones, who represents that second-round pick that was shipped to New England. While safety is a clear need, with Vonn Bell off the board it makes sense to grab Floyd, who provides needed pass-rushing ability. There aren't gaping holes, but I don't need to reach for a needed center in Round 1 at the cost of passing on a high-upside pass-rusher like Floyd, and I'm able to grab Glasgow in Round 3.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15189670/mock-draft-2016-nfl-draft

 

[Goldfield]

I'm very happy with that so far.

 

[Reddog]

FYI-Here is a pretty thorough piece on Floyd. You might not be as stoked once you read it.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/4/18/1...t-breakdown-leonard-floyd-georgia-pass-rusher

 

[Goldfield]

Kiper generally puts need in front of best player available (and he really is by thinking Chandler is not enough) and cornerback is the need and not safety... so his mocks mean diddly squat and are never even really half accurate

I believe in bpa. But that changes imo when your a legit SB contender. I think taking bpa that fills a need is more important.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Here's what Kiper has for us. I like it but might have gone CB but there was a run on them ahead of us and this is what was left; Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson, Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech, Xavien Howard, CB, Baylor. Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama went to Skins at 21. Other guys available at 29 that have been bantered around on the board were Lynch, Spence, DT Jarran Reed,S Karl Joseph.

Arizona Cardinals

Round 1 (29): Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia

Round 3 (92): Graham Glasgow, C, Michigan

Analysis: This draft is off to a good start already thanks to the addition of Chandler Jones, who represents that second-round pick that was shipped to New England. While safety is a clear need, with Vonn Bell off the board it makes sense to grab Floyd, who provides needed pass-rushing ability. There aren't gaping holes, but I don't need to reach for a needed center in Round 1 at the cost of passing on a high-upside pass-rusher like Floyd, and I'm able to grab Glasgow in Round 3.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15189670/mock-draft-2016-nfl-draft

Kiper generally puts need in front of best player available (and he really is by thinking Chandler is not enough by selecting Floyd because 'need' is his general approach) and cornerback actually is the need and not safety... so his mocks mean diddly squat and are never even really half accurate
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[Chopper0080]

Easy to make an argument for Leonard Floyd. Can never have enough pass rushers.

 

[Reddog]

Easy to make an argument for Leonard Floyd. Can never have enough pass rushers.

What did you think of the argument against him in that SBNation link?

 

[Jetstream Green]

I believe in bpa. But that changes imo when your a legit SB contender. I think taking bpa that fills a need is more important.

I still go with bpa for the future since rookies do not provide an instant benefit and that is reserved for free agents in my opinion

 

[Ohcrap75]

I wouldn't be upset with Floyd in the first. He's a long explosive athlete that can rush the QB and also drop in coverage. His sack totals would've been much higher, but he was so often in coverage. He also lined up as an inside LB on many occasions.

 

[Mitch]

I am fine with Floyd---but Glasgow at #92 is a major reach, imo. At #128 fine, but not at #92.

 

[WildBB]

Here's what Kiper has for us. I like it but might have gone CB but there was a run on them ahead of us and this is what was left; Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson, Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech, Xavien Howard, CB, Baylor. Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama went to Skins at 21. Other guys available at 29 that have been bantered around on the board were Lynch, Spence, DT Jarran Reed,S Karl Joseph.

And Neal, I think he's xtill in play there, prob. ahead of Joseph.

Haven't heard much interest in Reed or Lynch from them.

 

[overseascardfan]

I would have took Spence. I'm okay with Glasgow in Round 3 because I don't think he's available with our 4th round pick.

 

[cardncubfan]

I believe in bpa. But that changes imo when your a legit SB contender. I think taking bpa that fills a need is more important.

Kiper generally puts need in front of best player available (and he really is by thinking Chandler is not enough by selecting Floyd because 'need' is his general approach) and cornerback actually is the need and not safety... so his mocks mean diddly squat and are never even really half accurate
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How did you quote Jetstream when his post was after yours? Weird.

 

[Reddog]

I am fine with Floyd---but Glasgow at #92 is a major reach, imo. At #128 fine, but not at #92.

Mitch the two things that struck me based on your comment is that we need to lock down Powers to lessen the dependency on a highly drafted CB and go Center early as it represents our biggest hole.There are more CBs that can contribute late as part of a rotation than there are centers that can jump right in and take command of an O-line.

I can see us being in the position we are every year with a pass rusher where when we pick, they are all gone. I think we have to go Ryan Kelly if he is there at 29 or we risk being in a position where we have to reach or settle for someone incapable of anchoring a SB contending line. This is why we keep going back to Sendlein. As much as everyone thinks you can convert a Guard, Center just isn't that easy a position to fill with an "A" player.

If we had a 2nd round pick I would feel better about grabbing a capable Center after the 1st round.

 

[Mitch]

Mitch the two things that struck me based on your comment is that we need to lock down Powers to lessen the dependency on a highly drafted CB and go Center early as it represents our biggest hole.There are more CBs that can contribute late as part of a rotation than there are centers that can jump right in and take command of an O-line.

I can see us being in the position we are every year with a pass rusher where when we pick, they are all gone. I think we have to go Ryan Kelly if he is there at 29 or we risk being in a position where we have to reach or settle for someone incapable of anchoring a SB contending line. This is why we keep going back to Sendlein. As much as everyone thinks you can convert a Guard, Center just isn't that easy a position to fill with an "A" player.

If we had a 2nd round pick I would feel better about grabbing a capable Center after the 1st round.

I know that C Ryan Kelly is high on the Cardinals' draft board (VP of PP Terry McDonough calls Kelly a "lock" as a 1st rounder)---so it could happen. Not having the 2nd round pick makes the first pick a need pick, as you suggest, Reddog. That is, unless they are high on another center whom they believe they can tab later in the draft.

 

[Goldfield]

How did you quote Jetstream when his post was after yours? Weird.

Fast I guess lol

 

[Chopper0080]

What did you think of the argument against him in that SBNation link?

It depends on where you take him in determining how much those issues all matter. Facts are that you generally aren't going to get a pass rusher without issues at 29. So, if I am going to draft one, I would rather draft one with the potential of an impact pass rusher than one without. If the guy is at 29, I have to understand what the downside of him is, and what my plan is for that.

It is not coincidence that Mathieu worked out in AZ. It is because they had a plan, and worked that plan. That gave Mathieu structure and clarity which are important for young players.

Now, it doesn't seem like Floyd has those personal issues, but more of a translation issue. So, what is the plan to get Floyd to translate his physical ability to the football field? That is what is going to determine his success or failure in the NFL.

 

[Jetstream Green]

How did you quote Jetstream when his post was after yours? Weird.

Beerz and I preplanned it for you... to get you ready for all the trading on draft day

 

[NJCardFan]

That would be a near steal to get Glasgow at 92.


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[WildBB]

Mitch the two things that struck me based on your comment is that we need to lock down Powers to lessen the dependency on a highly drafted CB and go Center early as it represents our biggest hole.There are more CBs that can contribute late as part of a rotation than there are centers that can jump right in and take command of an O-line.

I can see us being in the position we are every year with a pass rusher where when we pick, they are all gone. I think we have to go Ryan Kelly if he is there at 29 or we risk being in a position where we have to reach or settle for someone incapable of anchoring a SB contending line. This is why we keep going back to Sendlein. As much as everyone thinks you can convert a Guard, Center just isn't that easy a position to fill with an "A" player.

If we had a 2nd round pick I would feel better about grabbing a capable Center after the 1st round.

Kelly isn't a slam dunk right out the shoot either. Grabing a center in the first; unless he's comparable to say Mangold isn't really advisable.

Another reason to trade out of the first all together.

 

[Reddog]

It depends on where you take him in determining how much those issues all matter. Facts are that you generally aren't going to get a pass rusher without issues at 29. So, if I am going to draft one, I would rather draft one with the potential of an impact pass rusher than one without. If the guy is at 29, I have to understand what the downside of him is, and what my plan is for that.

It is not coincidence that Mathieu worked out in AZ. It is because they had a plan, and worked that plan. That gave Mathieu structure and clarity which are important for young players.

Now, it doesn't seem like Floyd has those personal issues, but more of a translation issue. So, what is the plan to get Floyd to translate his physical ability to the football field? That is what is going to determine his success or failure in the NFL.

I hear you Chopper. So given he poses some positional risks at 29, how do you feel about him compared to Noah Spence who also carries some risk?

 

[Snakester]

I am fine with Floyd---but Glasgow at #92 is a major reach, imo. At #128 fine, but not at #92.

Ditto.

 

[Buckybird]

For some reason I like Floyds teammate Jordan Jenkins in the pro game better than him.

 

[Mitch]

Kyle Friend, C, Temple

6-2, 309...ran a 4.95 40 and benched 41 reps at 225. 3 year captain at Temple. Football character is through the roof. Has short arms which lowers his stock, but watch the tape and see what you think.

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[Harry]

Hard to imagine Floyd drops that far even though it true he's not a sure thing. Several adequate centers likely there in rounds 3 & 4.