Kirwan ranks the corners in this year's draft

[General Chaos]

Interesting note about Cason

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story;jses...0d5d807d2841&template=with-video&confirm=true

 

[joeshmo]

I said it before and I will say it again. Cason will not fall any further then the Giants at the #31 pick.

 

[WildBB]

I'm liking this guy more. But you'll have to take him in the 2nd. He won't last to the third. Maybe not the 2nd either.

7. Matt Forte, Tulane
Height: 6-1 Weight: 217
College stats: 30 starts, 833 carries, 4,265 yards, 39 TDs; 103 receptions, 5 TDs
Vital numbers: 4.46 40-yard dash

Forte is a big back with very good receiving skills. His 40 time was an eye-opener for those who believed he was a 4.6 guy. I like him in a one-back set or as a west coast fullback to take advantage of his receiving skills (he had 100-plus catches in college). I witnessed a burst from him at the Senior Bowl practices that intrigued me. Draft projection: Rounds 2-3.


I am also liking R. Rice better than Smith.

 

[JerkFace]

what kind of defense do the cards run with their corners? Cover 2, man coverage, etc.....

 

[WildBB]

what kind of defense do the cards run with their corners? Cover 2, man coverage, etc.....

Alot of times because Wilson is a blitzer they only play with a nickle back and the FS covering the field, so it's not really a traditional cover two. They play man - off coverage with Wilson like a 3rd backer. So a 3-3-5 in obvious passing downs. With 4-5 rushing/blitzing usually and 6-7 droping into zones with man to man on the outside for the most part.

 

[Skkorpion]

Thanks, Chaos. Kirwan's rankings are interesting but just as subject to bias as any other rankings.

I'm more unsure about the CBs, in general, than I am about any other position's group. Two reasons for that.

First, I haven't seen many of the top CB prospects play. And CB may be the one position where sheer speed really does matter a lot.

 

[BigShtank]

Cason won't be there anywhere in the 2nd. He's a stud. He'll be drafted in the first. We absolutely must draft a CB in the first. McKelvin can drop to us and I fully believe he will so that is our pick. They cannot possibly trade down unless it is with Dallas for their pick and Terry Glenn. That's the only way we'd pull that trigger and I'd be all over it with Cason at #22. If McKelvin is there, screw Dallas, we take Leodis. Flowers won't be there in the 2nd and using a 2nd round pick on the remaining CB's is a freaking waste. CB in the first, RB in the second. I'm fully set on that now.

Stewart, could be awesome, could is the operative word. He's not a lock because of his injuries. McKelvin is not either, but he's the #1 CB and I'd rather use our pick on the #1 CB than the #3 RB when in the 2nd we can draft the #4 RB or the 9th CB. I'm sorry but #1 and #4 RB beat the #3 RB and #9 CB.

I just can't be happy if the Cards don't take a CB with their first pick.

Argument is over, debate is done, case is closed.

With the 16th pick in the 2008 NFL draft, the Arizona Cardinals take CB ......... from ........

 

[WildBB]

Cason won't be there anywhere in the 2nd. He's a stud. He'll be drafted in the first. We absolutely must draft a CB in the first. McKelvin can drop to us and I fully believe he will so that is our pick. They cannot possibly trade down unless it is with Dallas for their pick and Terry Glenn. That's the only way we'd pull that trigger and I'd be all over it with Cason at #22. If McKelvin is there, screw Dallas, we take Leodis. Flowers won't be there in the 2nd and using a 2nd round pick on the remaining CB's is a freaking waste. CB in the first, RB in the second. I'm fully set on that now.

Stewart, could be awesome, could is the operative word. He's not a lock because of his injuries. McKelvin is not either, but he's the #1 CB and I'd rather use our pick on the #1 CB than the #3 RB when in the 2nd we can draft the #4 RB or the 9th CB. I'm sorry but #1 and #4 RB beat the #3 RB and #9 CB.

I just can't be happy if the Cards don't take a CB with their first pick.

Argument is over, debate is done, case is closed.

With the 16th pick in the 2008 NFL draft, the Arizona Cardinals take CB ......... from ........

Case not closed, at all. We shall see. I'd actually be happy with a CB in the 3rd too as the value there will be extraordinary. But McKelvin will be gone. Flowers in the 2nd is a real possibility but if not wait another round and take Antuan Molden who's ceiling is great. You can follow that with Wheatly in the 5th round.


And there are plenty of pundits who put Stewart ahead of both Mendenhall and McFadden because of his ability to break free and thats a good comodity to have in this league.

That said both Forte and Rice are pretty good prospects as well, but without the high ceiling. With Stewart your pretty much looking at a guy that one day will put up 20 TD's in a season. Maybe more than once. I'd roll that dice no question.

 

[Redsz]

I'm liking this guy more. But you'll have to take him in the 2nd. He won't last to the third. Maybe not the 2nd either.

7. Matt Forte, Tulane
Height: 6-1 Weight: 217
College stats: 30 starts, 833 carries, 4,265 yards, 39 TDs; 103 receptions, 5 TDs
Vital numbers: 4.46 40-yard dash

Forte is a big back with very good receiving skills. His 40 time was an eye-opener for those who believed he was a 4.6 guy. I like him in a one-back set or as a west coast fullback to take advantage of his receiving skills (he had 100-plus catches in college). I witnessed a burst from him at the Senior Bowl practices that intrigued me. Draft projection: Rounds 2-3.

YES! Finally someone else has picked up on this guy. He is the best RB no one is talking about. A real physical runner with great vision. He is the only '2nd tier' RB that I would be happy with.

 

[slanidrac16]

My only knock on Forte is that it seems to take him 6 or 7 strides to get to full speed.
I kinda noticed that in the senior bowl. He doesn't seem to have the quickness some of the other backs do.

 

[lobo]

My only knock on Forte is that it seems to take him 6 or 7 strides to get to full speed.
I kinda noticed that in the senior bowl. He doesn't seem to have the quickness some of the other backs do.

Good call. I knew there was something about him I was not too crazy about.

As is the case every year there will be a minimum of 50% who will be unhappy with our picks...something like a Presidential election.

 

[Duckjake]

We absolutely must draft a CB in the first.

I don't think the Cards absolutely have to draft at any particular position in the first round this year. Just like in 2006 when we really didn't see a drastic need at any position or 2003 & 2004 where we saw a drastic need at every position.

 

[Duckjake]

I said it before and I will say it again. Cason will not fall any further then the Giants at the #31 pick.

You really think the Giants are that down on Webster? Cason would give them two first round and one 2nd round CBs in the last 4 drafts. That could be a tough secondary with the veteran Madison also coming back.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I keep thinking DRC will be our pick. Don't know why but Karma seems to be in our favor. Maybe RG & Wis like Mendenhall more, but I don't think he will be there.

 

[Goober Man]

YES! Finally someone else has picked up on this guy. He is the best RB no one is talking about. A real physical runner with great vision. He is the only '2nd tier' RB that I would be happy with.

I've been sying Matt Forte since the season ended...He's been in all of my mocks till I had a dream of us getting Mendenhall. But still I would love to have Forte.

 

[WildBB]

I keep thinking DRC will be our pick. Don't know why but Karma seems to be in our favor. Maybe RG & Wis like Mendenhall more, but I don't think he will be there.

They will mtl pick DCR or Jenkins and I will be like the presidential thing.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Check out the report on Justin King. I think he's going to be a big bust in the NFL, and would not want him anywhere near my franchise.

Say away from the cornerback from Penn State.

 

[Stout]

Check out the report on Justin King. I think he's going to be a big bust in the NFL, and would not want him anywhere near my franchise.

Say away from the cornerback from Penn State.

Since it's coming from a huge Stewart fan, I'll take that as a giant endorsement for King

 

[DaisyCutter]

Since it's coming from a huge Stewart fan, I'll take that as a giant endorsement for King

I'm not a huge Stewart fan. I'd be fine if the Cards drafted him, but I wouldn't kill myself if they didn't. I've just come around from where I would be deeply disappointed if the Cards drafted him.

Honestly, I don't want a running back in the first three rounds, but I feel like that's inevitable, so I'm going to sit back and enjoy it.

But I have a hard time shaking the "underachiever" label that King has from my mind when I consider him as a prospect. He's a good physical specimen that has never converted it into production on the football field. There are people here who want to stay away from Rogers-Cromartie for the same reason (though I don't think the label is as earned in DRC's case).

 

[joeshmo]

You really think the Giants are that down on Webster? Cason would give them two first round and one 2nd round CBs in the last 4 drafts. That could be a tough secondary with the veteran Madison also coming back.

Webster is inconsistent and not getting any better. He is a nickel back at best. Has yet to start a full season for them in 3 years and had his worst year yet last year as Madisons backup.

Madison and McQuarters are aging veterans who just cannot be counted on anymore. McQuarters more so then Madison.

Also rumor is that Madison may play some free safety battling it out with stop gap free agent Sammy Knight to try and extend his career. Maybe even Mcquarters as well.

 

[WildBB]

I'm not a huge Stewart fan. I'd be fine if the Cards drafted him, but I wouldn't kill myself if they didn't. I've just come around from where I would be deeply disappointed if the Cards drafted him.

Honestly, I don't want a running back in the first three rounds, but I feel like that's inevitable, so I'm going to sit back and enjoy it.

But I have a hard time shaking the "underachiever" label that King has from my mind when I consider him as a prospect. He's a good physical specimen that has never converted it into production on the football field. There are people here who want to stay away from Rogers-Cromartie for the same reason (though I don't think the label is as earned in DRC's case).

While they may not be totally sold on Rogers-Cromartie or Jenkins the Cards are likely definately in the market in the 2nd round. This per PFW: 04/19:

"While they’re not sure the Cardinals will select a cornerback with their first pick in the draft, team insiders tell us they wouldn’t be surprised if Arizona still took two corners in the first four rounds".

 

[lobo]

I'm not a huge Stewart fan. I'd be fine if the Cards drafted him, but I wouldn't kill myself if they didn't. I've just come around from where I would be deeply disappointed if the Cards drafted him.


I mentioned that 50% of us kids are going to be upset regardless of who we take...BUT death is not an option...look at it this way...figure 4/5 guys who you would like and chances are you will hit on one of thim.

 

[joeshmo]

But I have a hard time shaking the "underachiever" label that King has from my mind when I consider him as a prospect. He's a good physical specimen that has never converted it into production on the football field. There are people here who want to stay away from Rogers-Cromartie for the same reason (though I don't think the label is as earned in DRC's case).

What do you mean he has never converted it to production on the football field. King and DRC have almost identical production. But King did it in a much better confrence against much better talent. Considering King has only actually concentrated at CB for two season (was a WR recruit his first season) I think he has done more then a solid job of "learning on the job" and still producing.

Also underachievers do not graduate Penn State in just 3 years. That is why he came out early, he already graduated, no more need to stay at school.

 

[Skkorpion]

I'm not a huge Stewart fan. I'd be fine if the Cards drafted him, but I wouldn't kill myself if they didn't. I've just come around from where I would be deeply disappointed if the Cards drafted him.


I mentioned that 50% of us kids are going to be upset regardless of who we take...BUT death is not an option...look at it this way...figure 4/5 guys who you would like and chances are you will hit on one of thim.

Well put. As far as published opinions about the CB from Penn State, I don't care. All that matters to me is what Steve Kiem and our scouts think of him.

 

[bg7brd]

If we don't take a RB in the first I would be happy with Forte' in the 2nd. I'm hoping Mendenhall some how slips to us at 16 and if he doesn't I wouldn't be surprised if we took Stewart. There will be some good CBs available in the 2nd. Patrick Lee looks to be the type of CB that would fit our defense. Another sleeper would be Scandrick in the later rounds.