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DVontel · Oct 25, 2020

TJ said:
-4th down call
-Going limp in OT after trying to be aggressive
-Iced his own kicker

Running a ton at the end of regulation, which ate up so much time

I didn’t mind that 4th down call against a juggernaut offensive team like that.

The others though? Yeesh.

SunsTzu · Oct 25, 2020

Proximo said:
I really don't know what the heck you guys are talking about.

Other than two stupid screen passes, I don't see what Kliff did so wrong.

Are you all just pissed about not kicking the FG, because I think it was the right decision.

I like the aggressiveness he has going for it on 4th downs and he's been successful more often than not. Sucks when it doesn't work out but I'll take it over being too passive any day.

Chris_Sanders · Oct 25, 2020

Him milking the clock down by 10 was atrocious. I don't know how you defend it.

HairZach · Oct 25, 2020

TJ said:
-4th down call
-Going limp in OT after trying to be aggressive
-Iced his own kicker

Running a ton at the end of regulation, which ate up so much time

Is it really icing his own kicker? The timeout was called because our offense screwed up and didn't snap the ball in time. The timeout saved us 5 yards.

ajcardfan · Oct 25, 2020

Chris_Sanders said:
Him milking the clock down by 10 was atrocious. I don't know how you defend it.

I would defend it by saying we tied the game and then won it in overtime.

SunsTzu · Oct 25, 2020

TJ said:
-4th down call
-Going limp in OT after trying to be aggressive
-Iced his own kicker

Running a ton at the end of regulation, which ate up so much time

He didn't ice his kicker, his saved his team from getting a delay of game.

unseenaz · Oct 25, 2020

DVontel said:
You know what’s funny?

This was Kliff’s worst coached game this season. Arguably bottom 3 since his tenure.

And we still won whether cause or in spite of him.

Incredible.

we won in spite of kingsbury tonight. first time i've said that in his tenure

DVontel · Oct 25, 2020

One thing I will give Kliff is that after the Carolina game, he has been using a lot more motion again.

Chris_Sanders · Oct 25, 2020

Kicking a FG on second down when the opposition has 2 time outs was even worse. You can kneel down, whatever, you have to burn those time outs.

He saw Kyler get hit and turtled. If Simmons doesn't make an amazing pick Kliff is the biggest goat in this game by far.

Chris_Sanders · Oct 25, 2020

ajcardfan said:
I would defend it by saying we tied the game and then won it in overtime.

Happenstance doesn't make it correct.

NittanyCard · Oct 25, 2020

We were #1 in 4th down conversions don’t doubt that call you play aggressive against a good team not on your backfoot

CardsSunsDbacks · Oct 25, 2020

Chris_Sanders said:
Kicking a FG on second down when the opposition has 2 time outs was even worse. You can kneel down, whatever, you have to burn those time outs.

He saw Kyler get hit and turtled. If Simmons doesn't make an amazing pick Kliff is the biggest goat in this game by far.

The game would have been over if we made the FG as it was overtime and Seattle already had a possession.

The FG call in OT was absolutely the right call considering the above. Zane just can't miss a virtual XP.

Chris_Sanders · Oct 25, 2020

CardsSunsDbacks said:
The game would have been over if we made the FG as it was overtime and Seattle already had a possession.

The FG call in OT was absolutely the right call considering the above. Zane just can't miss a virtual XP.

Its not the right call on second down when the opposing team has two time outs became the odds of missing the FG are far greater than a poor exchange.

Further, he tried to get more yards and Kyler got hit and he immediately kicked it.

He changed his entire strategy, incorrectly, by one play. It was amateurist.

TJ · Oct 25, 2020

SunsTzu said:
He didn't ice his kicker, his saved his team from getting a delay of game.

So instead, he had no play clock awareness on the game winning play?

ajcardfan · Oct 25, 2020

Chris_Sanders said:
Happenstance doesn't make it correct.

Sure it does. It worked.

ajcardfan · Oct 25, 2020

TJ said:
So instead, he had no play clock awareness on the game winning play?

That is on the holder.

Chris_Sanders · Oct 25, 2020

ajcardfan said:
Sure it does. It worked.

Russian Roulette works 5 times out of 6. Doesn't make it smart

CardsSunsDbacks · Oct 25, 2020

Chris_Sanders said:
Its not the right call on second down when the opposing team has two time outs became the odds of missing the FG are far greater than a poor exchange.

Further, he tried to get more yards and Kyler got hit and he immediately kicked it.

He changed his entire strategy, incorrectly, by one play. It was amateurist.

He didn't change his strategy. Kyler was literally only trying to get to the left hash for the FG. That's why that play looked so bad because that was his only intent.

Again the people arguing against this call would 100% be calling out KK if we run another play and a turnover happens.

ajcardfan · Oct 25, 2020

Chris_Sanders said:
Russian Roulette works 5 times out of 6. Doesn't make it smart

Poor analogy.

TJ · Oct 25, 2020

ajcardfan said:
That is on the holder.

The head coach needs to know the play clock on that play. He had to be reminded by an assistant.

SunsTzu · Oct 25, 2020

TJ said:
So instead, he had no play clock awareness on the game winning play?

Was there a delay in him calling for the FG? That's really the only thing he could directly control.

HairZach · Oct 25, 2020

Chris_Sanders said:
Kicking a FG on second down when the opposition has 2 time outs was even worse. You can kneel down, whatever, you have to burn those time outs.

He saw Kyler get hit and turtled. If Simmons doesn't make an amazing pick Kliff is the biggest goat in this game by far.

Look I get it. But I have seen teams lose games like this, where the field goal wins it, because of interceptions and fumbles. It hurts even more than that missed field goal did. If we get the snap off in time it was a win right there.

CardsSunsDbacks · Oct 25, 2020

TJ said:
The head coach needs to know the play clock on that play. He had to be reminded by an assistant.

Still have no idea how the players couldn't get into position faster though. The decision to kick came right away so the players should have hustled out there and got in position to snap it in time.

ajcardfan · Oct 25, 2020

TJ said:
The head coach needs to know the play clock on that play. He had to be reminded by an assistant.

So, the system worked!

Shaggy · Oct 25, 2020

unseenaz said:
we won in spite of kingsbury tonight. first time i've said that in his tenure

Why was it spite of him? Like someone said above, he had one or 2 stupid play calls, but why is this win not because of him?

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