Knicks coming apart

[Superbone]

At some point you will just have to accept that Amare is gone and our front office sucks. Drinking a lot helps.

Too bad I'm not much of a drinker. Any other advice?

 

[Superbone]

I hope he'll get a warm welcome from the Phoenix crowd. After that I hope he won't have his way with our frontcourt.

I hope he dominates us and shows Sarver what an idiot he is so much so that he sells the team the very next day.

 

[AfroSuns]

I hope he dominates us and shows Sarver what an idiot he is so much so that he sells the team the very next day.

I dont know if NY will win but Amare is going to abuse Hedo or Warrick or both of them combined.

 

[Chaplin]

Amare is a good player, nobody is disputing that. But even after the first month and a half of the season, if somebody asked if I still would want to offer him a fully guaranteed, 5-year contract, I'd still say hell no. I have no problem with the length, I just have a problem with it being fully guaranteed.

 

[AfroSuns]

Amare is a good player, nobody is disputing that. But even after the first month and a half of the season, if somebody asked if I still would want to offer him a fully guaranteed, 5-year contract, I'd still say hell no. I have no problem with the length, I just have a problem with it being fully guaranteed.

I think most fans miss Amare because we currently suck at that position, a huge void is left behind in his absence. If we had gotten a legit PF, we will be looking forward to a face-off with Amare on his return. Now we sadly get to watch as he dominates.

 

[Chaplin]

I think most fans miss Amare because we currently suck at that position, a huge void is left behind in his absence. If we had gotten a legit PF, we will be looking forward to a face-off with Amare on his return. Now we sadly get to watch as he dominates.

True, but it's not like that is some big breaking news. We've known since June that this is probably what we'd see. In fact, right now we're sitting in the worst possible position. At least it can't get any worse... right?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Amare is a good player, nobody is disputing that. But even after the first month and a half of the season, if somebody asked if I still would want to offer him a fully guaranteed, 5-year contract, I'd still say hell no. I have no problem with the length, I just have a problem with it being fully guaranteed.

to be honest, with the ineptitude our FO has shown over the years, I'd do it in a heartbeat. why? Because with Amare for the next three years (or even two years), we'd continue to be title contenders and I don't think this FO has a freaking clue how to get us back there. So, even if you're afraid Amare will be busted in year 4 and 5 of his contract, I'd rather have 3 years with a shot to win it and two horrible ones, over 5 mediocre-horrible ones, which is what I believe we're staring at.

 

[Chaplin]

to be honest, with the ineptitude our FO has shown over the years, I'd do it in a heartbeat. why? Because with Amare for the next three years (or even two years), we'd continue to be title contenders and I don't think this FO has a freaking clue how to get us back there. So, even if you're afraid Amare will be busted in year 4 and 5 of his contract, I'd rather have 3 years with a shot to win it and two horrible ones, over 5 mediocre-horrible ones, which is what I believe we're staring at.

Honestly, I am completely surprised that you'd think we'd be "title contenders" with Amare. You think the inept front office would surround Amare and Nash/Hill with enough talent to actually contend for the title?

Outside of the year Miami won, were we ever true title contenders?

 

[AzStevenCal]

Right now, we're nowhere. I was comfortable with the idea of letting him go at the time but now, I'd go the other way. I'd certainly rather spend 100 M on him instead of the 40 M plus we spent on Hedo. We'd have a good power forward and the net cost would only be 60 M, I could live with his health risks at that number.

Add in Warrick or Childress (if we could still swing a deal), re-sign Frye and we're an improved team from our WCF appearance. It probably wouldn't get us a championship but I figure somewhere has to be closer to the finish line than nowhere. I don't like nowhere.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

Honestly, I am completely surprised that you'd think we'd be "title contenders" with Amare. You think the inept front office would surround Amare and Nash/Hill with enough talent to actually contend for the title?

Outside of the year Miami won, were we ever true title contenders?

Amare + Nash more often than not = WCF

And are you kidding? This team was absolutely a contender the year of the Suspensions and was one Artest shot away from having a great chance to win it last year too.

The inept FO would have nothing to do with the next three years as the team was already basically set up by Kerr. They finally had a bench, a back up PG and a coach I believed in. Last year should have been the beginning of another run, liek what SA has done, but it wasn't to be.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Right now, we're nowhere. I was comfortable with the idea of letting him go at the time but now, I'd go the other way. I'd certainly rather spend 100 M on him instead of the 40 M plus we spent on Hedo. We'd have a good power forward and the net cost would only be 60 M, I could live with his health risks at that number.

Add in Warrick or Childress (if we could still swing a deal), re-sign Frye and we're an improved team from our WCF appearance. It probably wouldn't get us a championship but I figure somewhere has to be closer to the finish line than nowhere. I don't like nowhere.

Steve

agreed. hell, if you swung that Hedo deal with Amare here, we'd probably be pretty damn nasty.

now we're just stuck in purgatory and we will be for a long time. that's pointless.

 

[AzStevenCal]

agreed. hell, if you swung that Hedo deal with Amare here, we'd probably be pretty damn nasty.

now we're just stuck in purgatory and we will be for a long time. that's pointless.

We'd be a lot better off but I think we'd still be bitching about Hedo. I just don't think he's a good fit with this club. Between Nash, Hill and Dragic we don't really need another guy that needs the ball.

Steve

 

[Superbone]

True, but it's not like that is some big breaking news. We've known since June that this is probably what we'd see. In fact, right now we're sitting in the worst possible position. At least it can't get any worse... right?

I didn't know in June that Sarver would replace him with... nobody. No real PF anyway.

 

[cly2tw]

Amare with 11 TOs, a number that'd appease his haters on this board, and Knicks on their continued way of coming apart to echo the title of this thread.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Amare with 11 TOs, a number that'd appease his haters on this board, and Knicks on their continued way of coming apart to echo the title of this thread.

Amare had his 7th straight 30 point game (36 tonight), something that hasn't been done by a Knicks player since the early 60's. Yeah yeah, I know, another subpar opponent but guess what, there are a lot of subpar opponents especially in the East. I'm sure he and the Knicks will come back down to earth but they haven't had a ride like this, regardless of opponent, in quite a few years.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

Good for Stoudemire. It's too bad he didn't win a title in Phoenix, and he won't win one in New York either, but I wish him well. He has been through a lot and, although he has made some mistakes, he has also done a lot of things right.

 

[Chaplin]

Good for Stoudemire. It's too bad he didn't win a title in Phoenix, and he won't win one in New York either, but I wish him well. He has been through a lot and, although he has made some mistakes, he has also done a lot of things right.

+1

 

[AzStevenCal]

Good for Stoudemire. It's too bad he didn't win a title in Phoenix, and he won't win one in New York either, but I wish him well. He has been through a lot and, although he has made some mistakes, he has also done a lot of things right.

You're probably right, if for no other reason than the odds are against any one person winning a title. However, and not that this is any huge stretch or anything, I think his chances of winning one in New York are much better than our chances of winning one in Phoenix over the next 5 or 6 years.

Add a Dwight Howard to that team and I'd make them the favorites. Add a Carmelo Anthony to that team and I'd give them a pretty good chance. Add a Noah type player and I'd put them solidly in the mix. Add Dwight Howard to the Suns and I'd put us (barely) in the mix.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Good for Stoudemire. It's too bad he didn't win a title in Phoenix, and he won't win one in New York either, but I wish him well. He has been through a lot and, although he has made some mistakes, he has also done a lot of things right.

Amen. Title or not, he was a hell of a lot of fun to watch, and while the majority of the board enjoyed nitpicking his flaws to death, we'll be lucky to find a player of his caliber and as enjoyable to watch on the Suns in the next 20 years.

Went to the game tonight, what a depressing show. Even worse was thinking what we're looking at over the next 3-5 years, at minimum. It was a ghost town there tonight on a Friday night, perish the thought of what it will be when Nash leaves town. Ol' Bobby Sarver is in miles over his head, and has no idea what he's gotten himself into. I just hope it gets bad enough that he sells.

 

[jagu]

Amare left for mo' money. Time to let it go, we weren't going to keep him for a max deal and that would have effed our franchise for years. Yea we suck right now but there are times where we do play well. Is motivation an issue? I don't understand why we play so flat some times and other times we are playing lock down D and pushing the ball.

 

[jagu]

Add a Dwight Howard to that team and I'd make them the favorites. Add a Carmelo Anthony to that team and I'd give them a pretty good chance. Add a Noah type player and I'd put them solidly in the mix. Add Dwight Howard to the Suns and I'd put us (barely) in the mix.

Steve

Amazing insight. Adding Dwight would make them favs to beat the Heat and Celtics? Definitely disagree. Obviously in fantasy land you can add Dwight and Carmello. In that case the Suns should add Blake Griffin and Kevin Love to their front line.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Amazing insight. Adding Dwight would make them favs to beat the Heat and Celtics? Definitely disagree. Obviously in fantasy land you can add Dwight and Carmello. In that case the Suns should add Blake Griffin and Kevin Love to their front line.

I wouldn't call it insight, it's just my opinion. I think Howard is a game changer and we've seen how much stronger Amare plays when he has a big guy behind him. I probably should have said one of the favorites but IMO, it would have been with the Spurs and once they got healthy, the Lakers. But hey, thanks for the mild ridicule - it's always appreciated.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

However, and not that this is any huge stretch or anything, I think his chances of winning one in New York are much better than our chances of winning one in Phoenix over the next 5 or 6 years.

Yes, they are infinitely better: about 1 in 1000 versus zero.

Add Dwight Howard to the Suns and I'd put us (barely) in the mix.

Do you mean, add him for free? I disagree with that. If there were a magical way to add Howard to the Suns' roster without giving anything up, it would make them a top-3 team in the West easily. Howard is a better player than Stoudemire, so essentially you'd have an improvement over last year's Suns team plus Warrick, Turkoglu, an improved Frye -- that's a very good team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Do you mean, add him for free? I disagree with that. If there were a magical way to add Howard to the Suns' roster without giving anything up, it would make them a top-3 team in the West easily. Howard is a better player than Stoudemire, so essentially you'd have an improvement over last year's Suns team plus Warrick, Turkoglu, an improved Frye -- that's a very good team.

Yeah, I meant free in each case. Add him to last year's team and I'd make us solid favorites. Add him to this year's team and I'd be out there trying to trade Hedo and Childress for a good 3 point shooter and a backup PF banger. If we could accomplish that, I'd give us a better chance to win it all.

Keep in mind though that I'm of the opinion that Hedo has regressed a bit since his Orlando days AND he's a bad fit with Nash. I'm also expecting Nash to start playing at a decreasingly effective level much the way he did last year after the first 8 weeks or so. All things considered, if you were to take Amare out of the mix completely I'd still prefer last year's team to this one so I would be less confident adding Howard to this year's mistake.

BTW, I'd also put them top 3 in this scenario but they'd be third, and a clear notch below 1 and 2.

Steve

 

[ASUCHRIS]

that would have effed our franchise for years.

I'm glad you're clairvoyant...maybe you can lend your unique talents to the Suns. How the hell can you make this assertion? You have no idea whether or not Amare will be injured, and even if he misses a year with injury, you'll have no idea whether or not he'd be worth the investment.