Kobe: Can I pay her?

[Cheesebeef]

Jeez - I don't know if Kobe's guilty or not - but the only person I really feel bad for in this whole mess is his kid. Did you guys read the transcripts of the investigators with him right afterward?

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/7687661

transcript:

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nba/story/7687689

I especially like the part where he flat out denies that he had sex with her and then two questions later says he did. This guy - like most rich people - I think got away with murder - although not like Jayson Williams literally got away with it . . .

 

[Southpaw]

Joe Turner to Higgins in 3 Days of the Condor;

Turner: "Boy, what is it with you people? You think not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth?"


So, I wonder what part of Kobe's interview is true and when he stops lying. I just read specualtion that Kobe's defense, not including ring for wife, has cost as much as $ 14 million, so far. Don't know if that is accurate or preposterous.

 

[scotsman13]

has cost as much as $ 14 million, so far.

yea sounds like it took his full signing bonus. but then again after this has come out you can count on kobe not having any marketing value at all. so he goes from one of the most marketable players in the nba to having a hard time getting a anything outside of a shoe contract. there is also reports that kobes wife is planning on leaving him. so in the end this may cost 100's of millions in ad money and then also cost him half of everything owns and half of everything he makes as child support.

 

[Cheesebeef]

yea sounds like it took his full signing bonus. but then again after this has come out you can count on kobe not having any marketing value at all. so he goes from one of the most marketable players in the nba to having a hard time getting a anything outside of a shoe contract. there is also reports that kobes wife is planning on leaving him. so in the end this may cost 100's of millions in ad money and then also cost him half of everything owns and half of everything he makes as child support.

I actually think within a couple years time - if Kobe's team goes on to be successful - NONE of this will matter as far as endorsements. I mean, Ray Lewis got away with being party to KILLING someone but once he led Baltimore to the Super Bowl - people have been lining up to have him endorse stuff for them ever since.

 

[Joe Mama]

I actually think within a couple years time - if Kobe's team goes on to be successful - NONE of this will matter as far as endorsements. I mean, Ray Lewis got away with being party to KILLING someone but once he led Baltimore to the Super Bowl - people have been lining up to have him endorse stuff for them ever since.

you can't honestly believe that what Ray Lewis did and what Kobe Bryant is accused of doing are close to the same, especially in the court of public opinion. Ray Lewis was with some people who murdered. He fled with them, and then did not cooperate with the authorities until the end. That is definitely would not right, but it isn't the same as being accused of raping somebody.

I imagine that Kobe Bryant will get some endorsement deals in the future. I seriously doubt he earns nearly as much as he would have had he avoided this whole situation though. I doubt the numbers are even close to in the same ballpark.

Joe Mama

 

[coloradosun]

Joe Turner to Higgins in 3 Days of the Condor;

Turner: "Boy, what is it with you people? You think not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth?"


So, I wonder what part of Kobe's interview is true and when he stops lying. I just read specualtion that Kobe's defense, not including ring for wife, has cost as much as $ 14 million, so far. Don't know if that is accurate or preposterous.

If it did cost him 14M then the 380,000 it cost Eagle County to prosecute him is a drop and the bucket. With the statements that have been released, he should pay off the women and cover Eagle County's costs.

 

[Renz]

you can't honestly believe that what Ray Lewis did and what Kobe Bryant is accused of doing are close to the same, especially in the court of public opinion. Ray Lewis was with some people who murdered. He fled with them, and then did not cooperate with the authorities until the end. That is definitely would not right, but it isn't the same as being accused of raping somebody.

Joe Mama

So being "accused" of a crime that never even went to trial is worse than knowing the identity of murderers and protecting them from the authorities (Lewis plead guilty to "obstruction of justice")?

 

[Southpaw]

So being "accused" of a crime that never even went to trial is worse than knowing the identity of murderers and protecting them from the authorities (Lewis plead guilty to "obstruction of justice")?

I really believe that if you, me, or anyone else on this board had done what either Kobe or Ray Lewis did, we would be working for 20 cents/per hour for the state of Georgia or Colorado for a long time.

I sometimes wonder if there is a certain amount of money, when spent to defend oneself against an accusation, is a positive indicator of guilt. As in , do innocent people need to spend millions of dollars to prove their innocence?

 

[minercon]

There is a lot more to this story that will eventually come out. I listen to a lot of news....CNN all day long. There have been several reports that have been announced for only a day and never picked up by the local news stations. For instance ...the defense wanted to bring in a girl who worked at the Portland hotel these guys stay at during the NBA season. She was going to testify that Kobe had propositioned her for sex and she turned him down. They wanted to show that he took the rejection gracefully and never laid a hand on her. Two days after this came out on CNN he cut his hand on a box he was carrying (I'm sure you all remembered the cut hand thing). I always wondered if his wife came after him with something like a knife or nail file. Funny he hurt his hand just after these facts were disclosed. Thought the defense was stupid to even think of admitting this as evidence as to me it sounded like this guy was anything but faithful and women don't like hearing that in the jury box. To me it would not have helped his case at all and would lead to more problems in his marriage.

Another thing that came out two days ago on CNN...Sports Illustrated got hold of these transcripts too. They said that Kobe inquired of the cops if there was any way he could let this all just go away by maybe paying off the girl for 1 MIL. He said that another NBA player had been accused of rape and he paid 1 Mil to keep everything under raps or not let it go any further. No name was mentioned and SI did not say whether they knew of which player Kobe was referring too. We will see what SI comes out with, if they print an expose of this in the magazine.

I have heard that this has cost Kobe 12 mil so far for the lawyers and that he will probably pay Kate about 5 mil to keep this out of court. I doubt very much if he will ever get any more endorsements. Women's groups will protest pretty hard about this and any family type commodity will stay clear of him. I am sure all the ones that have paid him for endorsements are looking to see how they can break their contracts. They would be stupid not to have moral's clauses in their contracts.

I am sure Bryant is concerned about anything else that has not leaked possibly leaking out. Well, he cooked his own goose and now he is going to have to eat it.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Well, he cooked his own goose and now he is going to have to eat it.

Well said.

The next 7 years are going to be odd for me...a diehard Lakers' fan who is no longer a fan of #8.

I wish they had kept Shaq and dealt #8.

 

[Renz]

I really believe that if you, me, or anyone else on this board had done what either Kobe or Ray Lewis did, we would be working for 20 cents/per hour for the state of Georgia or Colorado for a long time.

I agree with that 100%. Just like if O.J. was a poor black man in Georgia when he was accused, then his trial would have lasted about a week and he would now be sitting on death row.

Money talks, baby.

 

[Joe Mama]

I agree with that 100%. Just like if O.J. was a poor black man in Georgia when he was accused, then his trial would have lasted about a week and he would now be sitting on death row.

Money talks, baby.

if OJ Simpson was a middle-class, white person he would have easily been convicted with the evidence they had. In fact if he was a rich, white person he would have been convicted.

I'm not so naïve as to believe that being black doesn't still work against you in a lot of cases. That said, I don't believe that being white helps you if you are clearly guilty.

Joe Mama

 

[devilalum]

I'm not so naïve as to believe that being black doesn't still work against you in a lot of cases. That said, I don't believe that being white helps you if you are clearly guilty.

Joe Mama

Black people don't get off easy. Black people make up about 25% of America but something like 80% of the national prison population.

Rich, famous black people on the other hand seem to be able to rape murder whatever without ever seeing a day behind bars. And because of the first fact become heroes in the black community.

 

[cardsunsfan]

Well I honestly don't believe Kobe raped her and no matter what there would be near as much evidence as the OJ trial. OJ on the other hand was definitely guilty.

 

[Renz]

Black people don't get off easy. Black people make up about 25% of America but something like 80% of the national prison population.

Actually, African-Americans account for about 12% of the US population and in 2001 they made up 40% of the prison population. Which is still a lot.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

I dont know if you saw the latest on this. According to Pamela Mackey, everyone knew that there were multiple transcripts of the interrogation. She said the one that was released was one of the transcripts prepared by the prosecution.

So it is most likely different than what actually went on. The fact there were several versions of a transcript kind of bothers me.

The prosecutions response is simply that they are not the source of the leak.

 

[Joe Mama]

If there was some way to know exactly what happened in that room, and we could bet on it this is where I would put my money. It sounds to me like a "yes, yes, yes, no, no, no" situation. It sounds like he has a thing about getting women from behind and choking them. From everything I've read and seen I get the feeling she was all for having sex until he let her know about his strange and pretty devious fetish.

Of course none of us really know what happened that night, but I have a lot of trouble believing her original story that he basically attacked her. I do believe that she may not have consented to the type of sex that Kobe Bryant wanted to have.

Joe Mama

 

[BC867]

It sounds like he has a thing about getting women from behind and choking them. From everything I've read and seen I get the feeling she was all for having sex until he let her know about his strange and pretty devious fetish.

Maybe Shaq will grab Kobe from behind this season and give him a taste of his own medicine.