Kobe Suspended 1 Game for Elbow

[cly2tw]

Kobe was trying to send a message to those who harassed him on defense nasty enough that he felt annoyed. It's the same intention Malone had his elbows flow, to initimidate. On that particular play, his shot was partially blocked by Manu and it was a little sour loser retaliatiion in that hand swipe, too.

 

[F-Dog]

What is it with the Laker fans? Something happens with Kobe..."hey, let's go to the Suns board!"



Anyway, I'm fairly confident that's the first time Kobe's ever followed through on a shot that way in his entire life. So, the best-case explanation here is that Kobe was flopping to try to throw the game to his team, leaving all the casual fans watching on network TV (one of the few network games of the year) to wonder why they had wasted their time.

The other scenario is that Kobe hit Ginobili intentionally, and here I think the Mike Miller foul comes into play, showing that Kobe has a history of trying to retaliate (for offenses real or imagined) by delivering a cheap shot during gameplay.

Since the league office had plenty of time to go over the play in slow motion, from several angles, my guess is they saw something they didn't like.

 

[msdundee]

It's not like it's anything new. Miller, LB and a bunch of others -- go all the way back to the fracas with Childs, etc. He even justified one of them as "sending a message."

This elbow was probably unintentional too. Collins' last comments on the techs no doubt explain why it happened.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SXw1DUDOOZQ&mode=related&search=

 

[abomb]

What is it with the Laker fans? Something happens with Kobe..."hey, let's go to the Suns board!"

The thread was started by a Suns' fan.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1233328&postcount=1

Anyway, I'm fairly confident that's the first time Kobe's ever followed through on a shot that way in his entire life.

Zzzzzzzz.

The other scenario is that Kobe hit Ginobili intentionally, and here I think the Mike Miller foul comes into play, showing that Kobe has a history of trying to retaliate (for offenses real or imagined) by delivering a cheap shot during gameplay.

Do some research and you'll find that Bowen, Popovich and Manu himself have defended Kobe, stating that it was incidental as Kobe was trying to draw a foul.

 

[F-Dog]

Since the league office had plenty of time to go over the play in slow motion, from several angles, my guess is they saw something they didn't like.

Three quotes, and yet somehow you managed to miss the main point.

 

[elindholm]

Do some research and you'll find that Bowen, Popovich and Manu himself have defended Kobe, stating that it was incidental as Kobe was trying to draw a foul.

Do some more research and you'll learn that other players almost never accuse someone of dirty play. It's like a code of honor. After every hard foul, the victim will say "I don't think it was intentional," no matter how obviously it was intentional. Even Andriuskevicius, who just suffered a serious brain injury at the hands of Awvee Storey, seems content to explain it away as "just part of the game."

As far as Popovich goes, there isn't a more psychologically manipulative coach in the entire league, and that includes Jackson. I never take anything he says at face value.

 

[Mulli]

Three quotes, and yet somehow you managed to miss the main point.

F-dog, are you arguing with yourself?

 

[MigratingOsprey]

I think it's clear that swinging his arm like that isn't a part of his natural shooting motion or a natural motion involved with playing basketball

so either he was trying to smack him in the face to let him know that he should play off

or

he was trying to draw a fould and caused some damage in the process

either way it was an intentional act that caused harm and wasn't necessary to the play or the game - it wasn't an accident and I have no problem with the suspension - sometimes you get caught

playing basketball this type of stuff happens all the time - i didn't have much dribbling ability, but I could come off a screen or spot up for a jumper really well - if someone was crowding me and taking me out of the game I had little tricks that were hard to detect, but would deter someone from playing too close - so I could get enough room to catch and release on plays later in the game

just look at how people attack the rim - we all know about giving a hard foul that will prevent an easy basket, but also keep people thinking twice - it works the other way as well (malone was great at this, even though I hated him - as was barkley) - you attack and initiate contact with a defender, may eat an offensive foul but if you hit them hard enough chances are they won't hold their position all game

 

[SO91]

Yes I'm a little late with the discussion, but that was a questionable suspension. The play was do doubt dangerous, but to say there was intent to harm is pushing it a bit. I've seen plenty of plays where guys throw their arms up or to the sides to emphasise contact when they get blocked or hacked. If he was suspsended because it was a violent and dangerous play, then shouldn't Lebron be suspended for the flagrant on Wade at the end of tonight's game?

 

[Mainstreet]

Do some research and you'll find that Bowen, Popovich and Manu himself have defended Kobe, stating that it was incidental as Kobe was trying to draw a foul.

Do some more research and you'll learn that other players almost never accuse someone of dirty play. It's like a code of honor. After every hard foul, the victim will say "I don't think it was intentional," no matter how obviously it was intentional. Even Andriuskevicius, who just suffered a serious brain injury at the hands of Awvee Storey, seems content to explain it away as "just part of the game."

As far as Popovich goes, there isn't a more psychologically manipulative coach in the entire league, and that includes Jackson. I never take anything he says at face value.

I got a chuckle from the announcers regarding these remarks. Could it also be that Ginobili and Bowen like to play dirty as well? IMO, it would be quite hypocritical for them to condemn Kobe.

 

[elindholm]

I got a chuckle from the announcers regarding these remarks. Could it also be that Ginobili and Bowen like to play dirty as well?

We saw more of the code of honor last night. When asked afterward about the Ginobili play, Stoudemire said it "may not have been intentional."

 

[msdundee]

We saw more of the code of honor last night. When asked afterward about the Ginobili play, Stoudemire said it "may not have been intentional."

But he did go this far: "I think they're on purpose," Stoudemire said of Ginobili's leading knees. "He's a flopper and likes to cause contact."

.....and I almost like that better.

 

[D-Dogg]

Let's see how the league handles this. LeBron with basically the same move, and his seemingly LESS "natural" than Kobe's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGnnN5BMXwE


Who wants to bet that he doesn't get a game suspension?

 

[Divide Et Impera]

I think the league took into consideration all the rapes as well when they suspended Kobe....

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

I think the league took into consideration all the rapes as well when they suspended Kobe....

GIAR, please.

 

[abomb]

Let's see how the league handles this. LeBron with basically the same move, and his seemingly LESS "natural" than Kobe's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGnnN5BMXwE


Who wants to bet that he doesn't get a game suspension?

Yes. I would like to bet he does not get a game suspension.

 

[tobiazz]

Kobe's move looked more unnatural since his arm was fully extended and this one _could_ have been a natural move but it definitely looks fishy on that video.

 

[Cicart]

Dang it! I can't see the video!

Still, I remember that hit. It may have warranted a suspension, it's very hard to gage intent in a situation like that.

 

[nashman]

Lebron does not have a history established like Kobe so if anything they give him a warning.

 

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I can see how that might have been unintentional, which is not to say it definitely was, but it could have easily been

 

[asudevil83]

I can see how that might have been unintentional, which is not to say it definitely was, but it could have easily been

it was about as unintentional as Kobe's IMO...

and i'm not saying that Kobe's was for sure intentional, but it did end up costing him a suspension.

 

[MaNuMaNiAc]

it was about as unintentional as Kobe's IMO...

and i'm not saying that Kobe's was for sure intentional, but it did end up costing him a suspension.

I don't see it. Kobe's looked like it could have been intentional, this one leans more the other way. Still, I never thought Kobe deserved a suspension for his, and I certainly don't think LeBron deserves one for this. Arguing that the league should do so to keep things fair is totally avoiding the issue. He may very well get one, but he won't deserve it.

 

[D-Dogg]

Kobe's move looked more unnatural since his arm was fully extended and this one _could_ have been a natural move but it definitely looks fishy on that video.

LOL...dude, the ones on Kobe the guy was behind him so the flail would have had to been with Kobe knowing where he was behind him and how to hit, while this one the guy was beside LeBron.

Are you seriously kidding here? Kobe's was a flail, while this one looked more like an elbow out to the side. Not a hand to the back.

 

[D-Dogg]

Lebron does not have a history established like Kobe so if anything they give him a warning.

Neither did Kobe.


Good lord, I've watched you Suns fans get upset about officiating for two weeks now, yet here some of you are rushing in defending what is CLEARLY the league not acting consistent in its rulings?

:roll:

 

[D-Dogg]

I can see how that might have been unintentional, which is not to say it definitely was, but it could have easily been

If we are talking intent here, LeBrons has much more intent in it than Kobes. Easily.