Kobe Victim

[jf-08]

Found this off of the freekobe.com message board:

http://www.freekobe.com/forum.html

http://www.2drunk2no.com/kobe/

The second link has some pictures of the victim.

 

[Chaplin]

Those idiots on Freekobe.com insult all our intelligence. What morons.

 

[jf-08]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Those idiots on Freekobe.com insult all our intelligence. What morons.

They have a collective IQ of about 4.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

That 2nd link is really fuct up! Nothing can come of that but intimidation and scare tactics on a large scale. What if she's telling the truth? That website only serves to victimize her again. Let things play out in court....

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by Seeds Of Hate
That 2nd link is really fuct up! Nothing can come of that but intimidation and scare tactics on a large scale. What if she's telling the truth? That website only serves to victimize her again. Let things play out in court....

how?

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by arthurracoon
how?

Well when you post someones name address phone number, email address and pics you are asking if you have a problem let her know. You actualy can condone what they are doing arhurracoon??? Your taking this protect Kobe thing alitle to far.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by SweetD
Well when you post someones name address phone number, email address and pics you are asking if you have a problem let her know. You actualy can condone what they are doing arhurracoon??? Your taking this protect Kobe thing alitle to far.

The way I see it, I think it is VERY unfair that a woman can anonymously accuse a man of rape/sexual crimes and have HIS life be put up to public record why she waits in the shadows unscrutinized. This seems like a VERY unstable girl and I think her story is far fetched.....I imagine that they did have consensual sex and maybe she started to toss around the "L" word(love) and Kobe wanted nothing to do with that and said so and maybe even kicked the girl out of his room. Being unstable as she is maybe she decided to call rape after that. Lots of maybes, but that certainly seems alot more logical than a squeeky clean charismatic good looking professional athlete who could have any number of girls he wanted, raping a 19 year old desk clerk.

http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html

An interesting study that between 40-50% of rape reports are infact false.

In this case, who infact is the actual victim?

 

[elindholm]

An interesting study that between 40-50% of rape reports are infact false.

There are a sizeable number of murder defendants who aren't convicted either. Does that mean the victims were never killed?

I agree that no woman should have free rein to trash someone's reputation. I've often wondered what would happen if one of the young women I see on a regular basis suddenly decided to "get back at" me for, whatever, giving her an A- instead of an A. There's no question that my livelihood and career would be in serious jeopardy, regardless of the validity of the charges. But that's what countersuits are for.

Legitimate victims, who are reluctant enough to come forward as it is, need to feel safe in telling their stories. Otherwise, even more sexual offenders will get away with their crimes than is already the case.

(Oh, and by the way, since I haven't had sex with any of my students, I'm already on safer ground than Bryant.)

 

[Ryanwb]

I am a believer that if you choose a profession that is high profile and brings you to a celebrity status, you have accepted the fact that your personal life is going to scrutinized by the media. You are being paid millions of dollars, you have given up your right to privacy...that is the trade off

Kobe made that choice for this young girl by having sex with her. Whether he did it forcibly or not is in question.

 

[SweetD]

Originally posted by Card Trader
The way I see it, I think it is VERY unfair that a woman can anonymously accuse a man of rape/sexual crimes and have HIS life be put up to public record why she waits in the shadows unscrutinized. This seems like a VERY unstable girl and I think her story is far fetched.....I imagine that they did have consensual sex and maybe she started to toss around the "L" word(love) and Kobe wanted nothing to do with that and said so and maybe even kicked the girl out of his room. Being unstable as she is maybe she decided to call rape after that. Lots of maybes, but that certainly seems alot more logical than a squeeky clean charismatic good looking professional athlete who could have any number of girls he wanted, raping a 19 year old desk clerk.

http://www.anandaanswers.com/pages/naaFalse.html

An interesting study that between 40-50% of rape reports are infact false.

In this case, who infact is the actual victim?

Well at least 40-50% were true go to see that you look at the possitives.

 

[fordronken]

Also, just because it's wrong for Kobe to be scrutinized by the public and media, it doesn't mean she should be. We're not creating funeral pyres here.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by SweetD
Well at least 40-50% were true go to see that you look at the possitives.

The point is that even accusing someone, especially a marketable someone whether they are guilty or far from it completely ruins their reputation and marketability.

This should be something that doesn't have a number like 50% attached to it...it should be almost ALWAYS the truth.

So yes, 50% of them ARE raped, Kobe "may" have raped this girl, if he didn't though, his reputation is already ruined and it was all the fault of a gold digging mental case crying rape. If it is proven that he did rape the girl.....send him to the cleaners. However I am pretty sure it is found that the situation of forcible sex was fabricated by the girl.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Cardtrader: Are you into Yoga?

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Card Trader

So yes, 50% of them ARE raped, Kobe "may" have raped this girl, if he didn't though, his reputation is already ruined and it was all the fault of a gold digging mental case crying rape. If it is proven that he did rape the girl.....send him to the cleaners. However I am pretty sure it is found that the situation of forcible sex was fabricated by the girl.

You sound like every other uneducated fan, not that you are one, but you have no proof and in fact, this is all a guess.

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Cardtrader: Are you into Yoga?

Not at all.....why do you ask?

 

[Card Trader]

Originally posted by Chaplin
You sound like every other uneducated fan, not that you are one, but you have no proof and in fact, this is all a guess.

Yup, all guesses and opinions at this point....

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Chap, I dont think that is fair.....

None of us know anything about this case. Kobe is innocent until proven guilty, but everyone seems to be playing it the other way. He may not have proof that the girl is lying, but you do not have proof that kobe is lying. He chose to take Kobe's word, you chose to take the DA's, either way, neither of you have had a chance to examine the evidence for yourself so in fact all the people who think kobe did do it, are also in fact "just guessing"

Card Trader is right, even if this all turns out to be false, Kobe is still screwed. The girl will be a forgotton name in a few years, but Kobe Bryant will never be the same. He shouldnt have cheated on his wife, but most likely this wasnt the first time and he was able to keep a squeaky clean image his entire tenure with the lakers, so there is no reason to think something would have leaked out had this case not been filed.


I am not getting into the case about whether or not he did in fact assault this girl, but someone stating they believe the charges are false does in no way make them an uneducated fan.

In fact, while I am pretty neutral on the subject, I do have a gut feeling that he is innocent, does that make me an uneducated fan?

There are a sizeable number of murder defendants who aren't convicted either. Does that mean the victims were never killed?

The study did not say 40-50% of the defendants were found not guilty, it said that 40-50% were false reports. They seem similar, but to compare it to a murder trial......that would mean 40-50% of the murder cases were fabricated, meaning that the people were in fact still alive.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

The Abstract from that article reads

With the cooperation of the police agency of a small metropolitan community, 45 consecutive, disposed, false rape allegations covering a 9 year period were studied. False rape allegations constitute 41% of the total forcible rape cases (109) reported during this period. These false allegations appear to serve three major functions for the complainants: providing an alibi, seeking revenge, and obtaining sympathy and attention. False rape allegations are not the consequence of a gender-linked aberration, as frequently claimed, but reflect impulsive and desperate efforts to cope with personal and social stress situations. [False rape allegations are reported in similar numbers at college campuses; approximately 50% of rape charges are admitted to be false by the accuser.]

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by SweetD
Well when you post someones name address phone number, email address and pics you are asking if you have a problem let her know. You actualy can condone what they are doing arhurracoon??? Your taking this protect Kobe thing alitle to far.

Actually I never visited either sites, but just wanted to know what was wrong.

 

[arthurracoon]

By the way SweetD, I am all for giving Kobe what he deserves. If it wasn't consensual, I'm all for sending him to jail. What goes around comes around.

 

[Joe Mama]

I would like to see that study. Do you have a link?

I really don't have a problem with the girl's picture on the Internet. She isn't underage. I do think it's ridiculously irresponsible and unsafe to put her address and other personal information. There are just too many sick people out there. I mean we've seen how some of the Lakers fans who visit the site get. It is to say Brian in Mesa wouldn't fly up there and take care of Kobe's little problem.

No, seriously though, there really are a lot of sick people out there. I don't think it's fair to put her personal information on the Internet like that.

Joe Mama

 

[fordronken]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Card Trader is right, even if this all turns out to be false, Kobe is still screwed. The girl will be a forgotton name in a few years, but Kobe Bryant will never be the same. He shouldnt have cheated on his wife, but most likely this wasnt the first time and he was able to keep a squeaky clean image his entire tenure with the lakers, so there is no reason to think something would have leaked out had this case not been filed.

Sure, if all things were fair and perfect, this would be handled differently. However, I have a feeling that if Kobe is found innocent of this, he'll probably wind up doing okay for himself.

 

[Ryanwb]

Kobe's already lied about the event...the prosecution is going to rip HIS credibility to shreds. After the incident happened and we found out he was arrested, he should immediately issued a statement saying he had cheated on his wife and he is very sorry....yadda yadda.

Instead he denied that anything happened at all. As far as I am concerned, he is already a liar

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Okay,

Some of you guys are out of touch with reality.

It is...in NO WAY....equal that this woman gets her personal information posted on the internet compared to any harm done to Kobe's reputation.

What would be equitable is if we all had access to Kobe's address, phone number, and e-mail so we could tell him what we think of men who cheat on their wives.

We are all guessing as to what the story is. Card Trader...you say you know her story...how? There hasn't been a trial.

You need to look at Colorado's definition of sexual assault. Let's say Kobe invites the girl up. He gives the underage girl some drinks. If she gets plowed and then Kobe sleeps with her...that is sexual assault by Colorado law.

AT BEST Kobe has lied repeatedly to his fans and his wife....

The fact that people continue to enable this behavior by excusing it with presumptions is mind boggling.

Oh and I HIGHLY doubt that a district attorney would spend two weeks reviewing a case, and then decide to prosecute if the case had no possible basis in fact.

 

[Dan H]

It is...in NO WAY....equal that this woman gets her personal information posted on the internet compared to any harm done to Kobe's reputation.

What would be equitable is if we all had access to Kobe's address, phone number, and e-mail so we could tell him what we think of men who cheat on their wives.

EXACTLY.